People, it is not a lack of faith to protect yourselves from mad men! Do you lock your doors at night? If so, why? Because it is a precautionary measure to protect yourself and your family from intruders. The argument that we should not allow an armed guard to protect the church because it is a lack of faith is similar to the argument that we should not take medicine or see a doctor because it is a lack of faith in God's power to heal. God expects us to use our brains and the means we have to protect ourselves and our families.
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GojuBrian
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Nah!! You guys are right. I'm not going to the grocery store anymore. I'm just going to rely on faith to bring me food and feed me.........
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I think some folks believe christians should be wimpy little pansies who let anybody who wants kill them at will.....
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I think some folks believe christians should be wimpy little pansies who let anybody who wants kill them at will.....
No, churches should not have armed guards. This topic highlights some of the fundamental problems with the church in North America.
One thing I find funny with these topics is how it is stated that we have the right to protect ourselves. Yet one of the main teachings in the North American church is that one should be come a Christian so that they go to heaven when they die (while that is true, it should not at all be a main emphasis).
It seems as though no one wants to go heaven despite the continued emphasis that that is the main goal of being a Christian.
How do you all know God isn't using the unrighteous to deal with sin in the Church? It sure wouldn't be the first time.
One thing I find funny with these topics is how it is stated that we have the right to protect ourselves. Yet one of the main teachings in the North American church is that one should be come a Christian so that they go to heaven when they die (while that is true, it should not at all be a main emphasis).
It seems as though no one wants to go heaven despite the continued emphasis that that is the main goal of being a Christian.
Did God call David to do what he did?Jojo said:
How do you all know God isn't using the unrighteous to deal with sin in the Church? It sure wouldn't be the first time.
jasoncran
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JoJo said:
GojuBrian said:Nah!! You guys are right. I'm not going to the grocery store anymore. I'm just going to rely on faith to bring me food and feed me.........
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I think some folks believe christians should be wimpy little pansies who let anybody who wants kill them at will.....
JoJo said:
Let me guess is that we shouldn't take medications, or see doctors, or call the police either, didn't the lord ordain government to protect it's citizens from evil. I went to church a couple years ago and found my truck keyed and two tires punctured after the service. It cost me $150.00 for the tires and my insurance paid for the paint job. God does what we can't do, in nowhere does it say to sit back and do absolutley nothing, unless the situation you face is impossible. Having done all then stand and watch the salvation of the LORD.
Jason
I don't think we need to resort to Gods invoked battles, in the Old Testament. I think it would be better to see if Paul directed anyone to hire armed guards in the New Testament, which was under plenty of persecution by some very evil men, ie. Nero.
Is it any wonder the Church has lost its influence on the World, it has become the World.
Is it any wonder the Church has lost its influence on the World, it has become the World.
What are your thoughts on this passage? (I believe we discussed this in another thread):
Luke 22:31-38
31And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
33And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.
34And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.
35And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
Luke 22:31-38
31And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
33And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.
34And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.
35And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
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WiLdAtHeArT
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samuel and Free, I am truly astonished at your viewpoint on this issue. I pray your belief doesn't work against you and that your friends and family aren't ever harmed by evil people.
And Free, I can't resist this sarcastic remark: I hope God doesn't kill a few people to deal with your sin. Are you sure the main goal of Christians is to get to heaven? I think heaven is the reward, not the goal.
And Free, I can't resist this sarcastic remark: I hope God doesn't kill a few people to deal with your sin. Are you sure the main goal of Christians is to get to heaven? I think heaven is the reward, not the goal.
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NooneSpecial
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Church is a place of worship not one of war. So, no.
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WiLdAtHeArT
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Maybe the question is causing confusion.
"Should churches have armed forces?" creates images of military soldiers in fatigues mith their M-1s posted at various places within the church. Obviously, that is ridiculous. I don't think that is what is being asked, though.
Rephrase the question: "Should churches have security guards with concealed weapons for the purpose of protecting the congregation and staff should some crazy come in with the intent of causing mass casualties?"
Does that clarify things?
"Should churches have armed forces?" creates images of military soldiers in fatigues mith their M-1s posted at various places within the church. Obviously, that is ridiculous. I don't think that is what is being asked, though.
Rephrase the question: "Should churches have security guards with concealed weapons for the purpose of protecting the congregation and staff should some crazy come in with the intent of causing mass casualties?"
Does that clarify things?
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NooneSpecial
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No confusion here. A gun let alone any weapon has no place in the church. Faith alone should be enough. Also is it not written that one who dies for Christ recieves glory in Heaven? No doubt none of us really look for death, but guns in church? Just cannot see the logic in it.
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GojuBrian
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NooneSpecial said:
The question was about security, not the churchgoers toting guns.
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NooneSpecial
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jasoncran said:
There is a fine line between arming a house of God and one's home. Why is it that because my views are different people just up and assume they know me? Lol...seriously.
jasoncran
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Did u read my post about what happened to my truck during a church service? That was done in broad day light. The pastor of that church said that not all people who go to church are saved. It was making a point and i didn't mean to insult you, the way you came across to me made me think that u were a little naive. I believe in security guards only if its necessary.
No. That does not at all support that position.JoJo said:
One passage. This is the only one you will find that even remotely supports that position. Even then, I am not at all certain that using this passage can be sustained.JoJo said:
My belief? My faith.WildAtHeart said:
No, but he might kill me.WildAtHeart said:
As I stated: "one of the main teachings in the North American church is that one should be come a Christian so that they go to heaven when they die."WildAtHeart said:
That is what is preached. Listen to any alter call and the one thing they all ask is "If you were to die tonight, where would you go?" It was just an observation--this fear of dying seems to be rampant among Christians.
Why not gun control?WildAtHeart said:
And giving people easy access to guns is common sense?jasoncran said:
It was just a truck.jasoncran said:
Haven't you heard "Everybody wants to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to die". I guess we could post armed guards, and a 90mm howitzer in the front yard, and call it "Fort Calvary". :crazy
The Bible says those who are destined to go to prison will go, and those who live by the sword will die by the sword. So I guess this means if you post guards men with more, and bigger guns will come in, and kill everybody. :help