Should Roy moore drop out amidst sexual claims?

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  1. civilwarbuff

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    Second, not everyone accused of a sex offense is guilty. Not every accuser is telling the truth. I learned this the hard way a number of years ago when I was accused of felony rape by a woman I had literally never even seen.

    "If you are going to name the accused, you ought to name the accuser . . ."

    She was a certified public accountant in Indiana, upstanding member of her community and also apparently delusional. Her claims were grotesque, but they were highly specific. The assault she said took place in the back room of a restaurant in Louisville on a specific day at around 10:30 p.m. She included loads of graphic and horrifying detail. It was stomach-turning.

    And, yet, none of it, none of it was true. I spent the next two months trying to stay out of jail.

    I couldn't tell my children because I knew they would be ashamed. I couldn't tell my employer because I knew I would be fired immediately.

    I spoke only to lawyers and I paid them a fortune. I took a polygraph exam from the former head polygrapher at the FBI.

    I never stopped worrying that the charges would become public and destroy my life.

    Everyone accused of sex offense did something wrong. Everybody knows that. And I knew no one would believe otherwise. This isn't a defense of sexual harassment or misbehavior, obviously. It is just a reminder that real life is complicated. More complicated than sermonizing on Twitter.

    Sometimes the mob is wrong. Sometimes the innocent are crushed. That's always a tragedy, no matter what the charge is.

    Of course, crushing the innocent also may be the point of the exercise and we are seeing that.

    Last week a feminist called Emily Lindin announced on Twitter that she was, "not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs in the search for perpetrators of sexual harassment. If some innocent men's reputation have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I'm absolutely willing to pay."

    Lindin not surprisingly is a columnist at Teen Vogue. We asked her to come on our show to talk about her views, but she refused.

    Adapted from Tucker Carlson's, “Tucker's Thoughts” on Monday, November 27, 2017.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...ot-every-accuser-tells-truth-should-know.html
     
  2. godsquadgeek

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    Thank you for sharing. Good post.
     
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    I'm not expecting one from the MSM either...
     
  4. Politico

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    LOL. Seems that way for and the Left. During the primaries people were complaining that Trump did not sacrifice anything for the country. What? He he is spending the some of his last remaining days doing what is probably the most stressful job in the nation. He could have just decided to retire and pass the buck to the next generation. Apparently his businessess are also suffering now. He has also forked out quite of bit of money out of his own pocket to take this job
     
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  5. Politico

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    Excellent post. You're absolutely right. Unfortunately, there are also many that have spent years in prison for sex-related offenses only to be exonerated through DNA testing. It doesn't help that so many folk are ready to jump the gun and condemn when it comes to accusations of sex related offending. Hysteria and self-righteous judgment should not be countenanced when it comes to allegations of sexual assault, otherwise the witch hunters come out in force. Because of the emotional charge of this topic, it is prime political capital for politicians to point the finger and condemn with little evidence, unless it is themselves being accused of course. Also, the one problem I have with Republican politicians in general is their tendency to go crazy with crime and punishment.

    Here is a prime example of overzealous, ignorant, and self-righteousness politicking concerning crime and punishment:
    http://reason.com/blog/2017/05/31/house-overwhelmingly-supports-bill-subje

    For the sake of America's teens, I am praying this tyranny does not pass the Senate. Though, I am sure many politicians are hoping this travesty will buy them favor with voters who are ignorant of the details. Absolutely disgusting.
     
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    Comparing the interviews of him in the 80's, he has slowed in smooth, quick responses, but of course smooth quick responses do not translate to righteous, effective leadership. Moses had a problem with speech as well.
     
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    As I recall the speech impediment Moses battled with was stuttering. Which is why he felt unworthy to approach Pharaoh at God's behest. But with God Moses overcame.
     
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    Garrison Keillor Fired, Says He Put Hand on Woman's Back
    Garrison Keillor, the former host of "A Prairie Home Companion," says he's been fired by Minnesota Public Radio over allegations of improper behavior.
    Nov. 29, 2017, at 3:39 p.m.

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    Garrison Keillor Fired, Says He Put Hand on Woman's Back
    FILE - In this July 26, 2017 file photo, Garrison Keillor, creator and former host of, "A Prairie Home Companion," talks at his St. Paul, Minn., office. Keillor said Wednesday, Nov. 29, he's been fired by Minnesota Public Radio over allegations of improper behavior. (AP Photo/Jeff Baenen, File) The Associated Press

    By JEFF BAENEN, Associated Press

    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Garrison Keillor, the former host of "A Prairie Home Companion," said Wednesday he has been fired by Minnesota Public Radio over allegations of what the network called improper behavior.

    Keillor told The Associated Press he was fired over "a story that I think is more interesting and more complicated than the version MPR heard." Keillor didn't detail the allegation to AP, but he told the Minneapolis Star Tribune he had put his hand on a woman's bare back when trying to console her.

    "I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness, and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches. She recoiled. I apologized," Keillor told the newspaper in an email. "I sent her an email of apology later, and she replied that she had forgiven me and not to think about it. We were friends. We continued to be friendly right up until her lawyer called."

    Minnesota Public Radio confirmed it had terminated contracts with Keillor after receiving a single allegation against him last month of "inappropriate behavior." MPR said the allegation stemmed from Keillor's conduct when he was producing and hosting "A Prairie Home Companion."
    https://www.usnews.com/news/enterta...red-over-alleged-improper-behavior?src=usn_rd
     
  9. jasonc

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    Christian:
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    Funny, so he was wrong and this wouldn't get him arrested and now he is fired? He made a mistake and later on is reported.sounds like either it's more then what he claims or a witch hunt.
     
  10. civilwarbuff

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    You know what the definition of sexual harassment is?......Whatever the 'victim' decides it is.......
     
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    Media
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    Brent Bozell: Matt Lauer and the sexual harassment hypocrisy
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    By L. Brent Bozell III | Fox News

    NBC News terminates Matt Lauer for 'inappropriate behavior'

    Howard Kurtz provides insight.

    So the top broadcast news journalist who raked the former top cable news journalist over sexual harassment has now been fired for sexual harassment. You can’t make this stuff up. Matt Lauer’s canned. As I write these words there is only a report from Variety that describes his alleged indiscretions, but one thing is for certain: NBC would not have fired their top star were this not an impeachable offense.

    They’re dropping like bowling pins all over Hollywood, in sports, in politics and in journalism. Every day someone new is guilty of sexual harassment. While the deed is being reported, what is being swept under the rug is the raging hypocrisy.

    There is no better example of the cynical mind at work than evidenced by these questions from Lauer to Bill O’Reilly during their Today Show interview on September 19.

    He wanted O’Reilly to know what a lout he was: “[O’Reilly’s accusers] came forward and filed complaints against the biggest star at the network they worked at. Think of how intimidating that must have been, how nerve-racking that must have been! Doesn’t that tell you how strongly they felt about the way they were treated by you?”

    In a way Matt Lauer's no different from Al Franken, or Harvey Weinstein, or Charlie Rose, or Bill Clinton, or Garrison Keillor or all those other liberals who publicly champion the rights of women at every opportunity while looking for every opportunity privately to torment them.

    He wanted to know if O’Reilly was truly repentant: “Over the last six months since your firing, have you done some soul searching? Have you done some self-reflection? And have you looked at the way you treated women that you think now or think about differently now than you did at the time?”

    And then there was the topper: “You were probably the last guy in the world that they wanted to fire because you were the guy that the ratings and the revenues were built on, you carried that network on your shoulders for a lot of years. So doesn’t it seem safe to assume that the people at Fox News were given a piece of information or given some evidence that simply made it impossible for you to stay on at Fox News?”

    How could Matt Lauer make these solemn pronouncements on national television with a straight face?
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    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...tt-lauer-and-sexual-harassment-hypocrisy.html
     
  12. jasonc

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    Christian:
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    Well technically a drunk women can charge you if you helped her get drunk and had sex with her.it's rape .in the civilian side they will inquire on her character and decide if it's a pattern to see if she is credible ,in the army its not that way.consent is legal when drunk.but ask any horny solder if he was too drunk and thought to say no to a woman as drunk,or even when sober.

    It's a problem.
     
  13. godsquadgeek

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    Talking about sexual allowance: YouTube has 2 million child exploitation videos, and NBC has rape rooms.
     
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    So Democrats are going to force out the black John Conyers from Detroit who DENIES all allegations. But lily-white Al Franken from Minnesota who stays even tho we have a photo of him fondling a sleeping woman. Looks like racism?
     
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  15. Politico

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    This kind of excessive stupidity will and has produced a climate of fear where men fear to touch or be near a women without the protection of other witnesses. This is especially true for well-known figures that are targets for false allegations. And of course, now the stupidity of the movement that is calling for no one to ever kiss someone else without permission. But unvirtuous society will always walk such a crazy road where lawsuits fly left and right.
     
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    Conyers' colleagues in the Congressional Black Caucus say it's not their place to urge the veteran lawmaker to resign over claims that he propositioned staffers, as CBS News' Nancy Cordes has reported.

    "We think that is a decision for he and his family and his constituents to make," Rep. Cedric Richmond, D-Louisiana said.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-c...ess-related-illness-family-spokesperson-says/

    Kinda makes you wonder if he told the CBC 'if you don't back off I am going to start blabbing'.........
     
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    Pelosi now says Conyers should go. But what about Franken? Should the black guy go while the white guy stays & gives sermons on repentance?
     
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    after being accused Geraldo Rivera comes up with some rules for reporting sexual assualts:

    #SexHarassment allegations should require:
    1-made in a timely fashion-say w/n 5 yrs.
    2-some contemporaneous corroboration, like witnesses, electronic or written communications.
    W $ settlements in multi-millions slight chance exists some victims are motivated by more than justice

    so if it's good for him, why is it not good enough for roy moore?
     
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    List of sexual predators that lost their job
    Harvey Weinstein
    Kevin Spacey
    Glenn Thrush
    Charlie Rose M
    Matt Lauer

    List of sexual predators that work for America & kept their job

    Al Franken
    Bob Menendez
    John Conyers

    The system is broken.
     
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