Should Roy moore drop out amidst sexual claims?

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  1. Justicewolf

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    Don't forget Bill Clinton. He gets hundreds of thousands of dollars for public speaker engagements.
    This is part of why the system is broken.
     
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    The sense that Roy Moore is heading toward victory
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    Posted by William A. Jacobson Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:30pm
    Alabama voters doubt accusations enough that they may feel comfortable sending a message of contempt for Washington, both D.C. and Post

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    All the way back on November 21, 2017, I suggested that given the state of the Alabama Senate special election, Roy Moore was likely to win assuming no new allegations or proof of sexual misconduct came out.

    In my post, If Roy Moore wins, thank Gloria Allred and Al Franken, I focused on Gloria Allred’s entry into the case and her refusal to produce for forensic inspection a yearbook allegedly containing Moore’s handwriting:


    Based on the present state of affairs, and assuming there are no further revelations, it looks like Roy Moore will outlast the outrage over the accusations, which he denies, that he molested a 14-year-old girl and assaulted a 16-year-old girl almost 40 years ago….

    If there was a turning point in Roy Moore’s political fortunes, it was the press conference Gloria Allred held with accuser Beverly Nelson, who emotionally described what she said was a sexual assault behind a diner at which she worked.

    That press conference gave Moore two things he needed politically: a chance to make Allred an issue in the campaign, and a piece of physical evidence to attack, the handwriting in the yearbook.

    That handwriting, which Allred and Nelson said was Moore’s, is disputed by the Moore campaign, and at least superficially it raises questions. As I noted even before the Moore campaign raised the issue, a proper forensic examination of the document requires examination of the original. The Moore campaign has requested an immediate independent examination….

    All Moore needs to do politically is to call the accusations into question, to raise doubts, to turn it into a 40-year-old he said/she said dispute. The yearbook that was declared by the media to be proof of Moore’s guilt now has become that cloud obscuring possible guilt.

    More here: https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/...d:+LegalInsurrection+(Le·gal+In·sur·rec·tion)
     
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  3. civilwarbuff

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    The latest allegation hit the congressman just hours before he is set to make announcement on a Detroit radio station Tuesday.

    Elisa Grubbs made the allegation in an affidavit publicized late Monday by attorney Lisa Bloom. Grubbs worked for Conyers for more than a decade and is the cousin of another accuser, Marion Brown, who reached a confidential settlement with the Michigan politician over sexual misconduct allegations.


    "Rep. Conyers slid his hand up my skirt and rubbed my thighs while I was sitting next to him in the front row of a church," Grubbs said in the affidavit. "I was startled and sprang to my feet and exclaimed, 'He just ran his hand up my thigh!' Other staffers witnessed the event."
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...duct-at-church-amid-looming-announcement.html
     
  4. Edward

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    That's all those people do huh? Sexual immorality. Sure, it sounds good to them when they first get brought in, have some have some....and then later someone talks (they always do) and then it's on thier desk to deal with. Haha, serves 'em right.

    The whole marriage/fidelity/procreation thing was only given to man for to give example of what our union with God should be and this is the only way that God could give man an example of it that man could comprehend with his feeble little mind. It's not a free for all where hey there's more for all, it is a very serious binding contract betwixt us and God.

    So it's fun. Ok, I like it too, but let's not let it get out of hand. Once one steps out of line in this area, you will get labeled by man, and it's not a good label, and the label sticks for a long time. Luckily, I realized this when I was young and began to learn the seriousness of joining spirits with another. I didn't want to be that guy, with that label, so I...was faithful to my wife. Well, I wasn't. I cheated in my imagination but not physically. An achievement to me, but not to God. If man even looks upon another woman in lust then he is guilty of adultery. So I failed just like everyone else. :sad

    But you young people out there...you have a chance to learn these things while young, before you run out and make a bad name for yourself.
     
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  5. Edward

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    There's no such thing as keeping a secret. Everyone has that one real close friend who they know will not tell anyone, so they confide...not thinking that that person also has a deep friendship with another who they know will not say anything to anyone, and that, that person also has a close friend, and so on and so forth and then the whole whole world knows all about it. So there's no such thing as, can you keep a secret!

    They will tell. They always do.
     
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    The left has been awful quiet about Roy......wunder why?
     
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    They believe they will embarrass the GOP all the way to a huge loss in '18. They believe the Judge will rally the dems to the polls and discourage the GOP Voters andkeep them away.
     
  10. Douglas Summers

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    I think a lot of us were Democrats at one time, But that was before they kept the name but changed their colors.
     
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    first Trump, then Moore with a huge lead. Can't the dems see that america wants Biblical politicians?
     
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    Sounds like dems brought judgement on themselves......
    With the judgement you give...
    It will be measured back to you
    Matthew 7:1
     
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    what do you think about what conservative ben shapiro says about roy moore (I like ben shapiro, He is logical) But at the same time He doesn't like Moore, possibly due to the fact that Ben is Jewish, and Jews have a special hatred for Christians. But nevertheless, it's good to see all sides. I don't know if moore is innocent, but I know that He will never be convicted, and right now if He can't be convicted in the court of law, His conservative value is needed in the senate. But there is a new note found in the person that had the yearbook, with the same signature as the yearbook sort of validating it. But one must also make sure that it's not a forgery.

    start about the 17 minute level:

     
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    The Democrats have crawled so deeply into the wrong end of the bed with Hollywood (Satan) until all light has disappeared and on that world sized round bed and they can no longer find the edge. They keep changing directions and those silk sheets offer no resistance but no edge for escape can be found.
     
  15. Politico

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    I have to question your use of the qualifier, "but." Rape? Help to get her drunk? As in what, somehow forced alcohol down her throat? Handing her alcohol? What, a women cannot be responsible for accepting alcohol nor consenting to/responsible for having sex, while intoxicated, with a man who is not intoxicated but she is considered culpable/responsible/consenting when getting behind the wheel of a vehicle? An intoxicated women can be legitimately consenting with her husband who is not intoxicated but not with someone to whom she is not married? If not, then what is the alcohol level that is the threshold for determining consent/responsibility? Perhaps we should not hold persons responsible for anything when their drunk? I see a huge problem with removing personable responsibility/culpability dependant upon intoxication. I have been drunk, and I know for sure that although it made me less inhibited, I was still cognizant of my actions and choices, and I know very well for sure that no one would have been able to "force" me to have sex against my will.
     
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    Well, we know very the low quality of perception being suffered by leftists. They were holding on to many false notions concerning the last election cycle. And they cannot or will not learn from their past mistaken judgments.
     
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    Army regs, used and its where I got that from.what is the date rape drug ?

    If lack sobriety ,which includes any drug that causes intoxicated states then that drug shouldn't be illegal to use in that manner.it's simply a fast way to knock you out. I know soldiers who would use beer to get a girl drunk just so it would be easier to say yes.I made a point of saying it's only in the military side.if I was in I would put up the ako ,training materials.

    However, this will do and its also on the civilian side.

    https://www.google.com/amp/taskandp...litarys-new-tactic-combat-sexual-assault/amp/
     
  18. Politico

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    Of course taking advantage of someone while they are passed out is something altogether different. As I understand the effects of the date rape drug, it is not comparable with alcohol concerning consent. And I doubt anyone would willingly ingest a date rape drug.
     
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  19. Douglas Summers

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    And with all that, they thumb their nose at righteousness and say, no one can touch me for I'am rich and famous, heaping piles of coal upon them selves (that when kindled) will burn forever and ever in the bottomless pit. But all would turn to joy if the deceived and whore mongers and those anxious to do evil and approve of it (Rom. 1:1-32) would turn unto the Lord and he would wash away their sins where peace and righteousness would ensue. (John 1:1 through to Rev. 22:21) While I'am angered with their disobedience and pride against God......I also see their rewards and their punishment...It is sad. But I think that people that are that corrupt that would ask for mercy and receive it, would be like the swine that once cleaned, would go back to wallowing in the mud!
     
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  20. jasonc

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    Did you read the link.alcohol is used as one.?

    The way the army talks about alcohol use and sex afterwards implies even when it's not the intent of the man to use it as a crime it's a crime. Ncos were asked to stop those drinking who were going to leave with a girl ,aka crudely put ,cock block.

    Way to gray.If I could post those videos I would.
     

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