Simple Chart of the Progression of End Time Events

[JosyWales]

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Take the 70 weeks (490 days) of Dan 9, which is in 3 parts, being 7 weeks, 62 weeks and 1 week.

Add the times given us for the 5th, 6th and 7th angels (NOTE: no times are given for the first 4 Angels) in Revelation being:

1. Five (5) months (150 days,using 30 day months which is how the Jews counted all the days of their months) per Rev 9:5 (5th Angel).

2. 1 hr., 1 day, 1 month and1 year (396 1/4 days plus 1 hour) per Rev 9:15 (6th Angel).

3. 1260 days = 3 1/2 times =42 months (this is all the same time period and is clearly laid out as such in Rev 11:2 & 3, 12:6, 12:14 and 13:5.

4. Lastly we have the 3 and 1/2 days that the Two Prophets lay dead as the people of Earth celebrate. Put these together and you have:

490 days (the 70 Weeks as Ihave stated)
+150 days (1 above)
+396.25 days (2 above)
+1260 days (3 above)
+3.5 days (4 above)
= 2299.75 days and 1 hour,this is the 2300 days of Daniel’s prophecy in Daniel Ch. 8. (It ends late on the 2300th day)

The Seventy Week period is interspersed between the three Woes of Revelation and each of the three parts of the Seventy Weeks, the seven weeks, the sixty two weeks and the last one week, triggers each of the three woes in succession. I will show how the Book of Daniel supports this later in this document.

To restate the entire sequence in the order it will occur:

1. Seven weeks (49 days)
2. The First Woe, 5 months (150 days)
3. 62 weeks (434 days)
4. The Second Woe, Hour, day,month, year (396 1/4 days)
5. One Week (7 days)
6. The Beast's rule, 42months (1260 days)
7. Death and Resurrection ofWitnesses (3 1/2 days)

Total: 2300 days to the Cleansing of the Temple, being the resurrection of the Two Witnesses, Forces of Good and Evil identified and the Beast revealed for what he is. The reason I say identified is because, up to this point, the Beast has been masquerading as the Chosen of God while casting Michael and his friends as being of Satan. It might even be possible that the Beast actually believes himself to be the good guy for he is indeed Gods chosen, but not in the way he believes.

The First Angel’s Trump sounds before the 2300 days, as he wages war on evil, but becomes evil in his pursuit of it. His fall is where the beginning of this 2300 day time period begins, signaled by the Trump of the Second Angel. As we know, the Trump of the Second Angel causes a ‘Mountain burning with fire’ to be cast into the Sea. This mountain is the kingdom of the First Angel. The rest follow the pattern shown above.

30 days after the killing ofthe Two Witnesses, the Beast assaults the stronghold of the Holy People for the final time. At this time Jesus' returns to save those left alive, which also brings about the First Resurrection.

35 days after that, those who survived along with those of the First Resurrection will be tested one lasttime. Those who pass will be allowed in the inner court of the Temple of God, to stand before the face of God, while those who fail will be in charge of the outer court, serving them and the people of the earth for the next 1000 years under the reign of Jesus Christ. The form of this is outlined in Ezekiel 40:46, 43:19,44:15 and 48:11 (a reading of the entire section of Ezekiel from chapter 40 –48 is recommended) and will be the fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel 12:2.

Things of importance to note:
** All times listed in Daniel and Revelation are literal and not symbolic in any way. There is NO day to year conversion of the 70 weeks**
1. The Seven Angels are real people and not just symbolic entities.
2. The woman of Revelation 12 is a real person and not a symbolic entity.
3. Michael the Archangel will appear on earth as a man, in the same manner that Jesus Christ did and is the Messiah who Daniel 9 refers to.

 

[JLB]

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Take the 70 weeks (490 days)of Dan 9, which is in 3 parts, being 7 weeks, 62 weeks and 1 week.

Add the times given us forthe 5th, 6th and 7th angels (NOTE: no times are given for the first 4 Angels)in Revelation being:

1. Five (5) months (150 days,using 30 day months which is how the Jews counted all the days of their months)per Rev 9:5 (5th Angel).

2. 1 hr., 1 day, 1 month and1 year (396 1/4 days plus 1 hour) per Rev 9:15 (6th Angel).

3. 1260 days = 3 1/2 times =42 months (this is all the same time period and is clearly laid out as such inRev 11:2 & 3, 12:6, 12:14 and 13:5.

4. Lastly we have the 3 and1/2 days that the Two Prophets lay dead as the people of Earth celebrate. Putthese together and you have:

490 days (the 70 Weeks as Ihave stated)
+150 days (1 above)
+396.25 days (2 above)
+1260 days (3 above)
+3.5 days (4 above)
= 2299.75 days and 1 hour,this is the 2300 days of Daniel’s prophecy in Daniel Ch. 8. (It ends late onthe 2300th day)

The Seventy Week period isinterspersed between the three Woes of Revelation and each of the three partsof the Seventy Weeks, the seven weeks, the sixty two weeks and the last oneweek, triggers each of the three woes in succession. I will show how the Bookof Daniel supports this later in this document.

To restate the entire sequence in the order itwill occur:

1. Seven weeks (49 days)
2. The First Woe, 5 months(150 days)
3. 62 weeks (434 days)
4. The Second Woe, Hour, day,month, year (396 1/4 days)
5. One Week (7 days)
6. The Beast's rule, 42months (1260 days)
7. Death and Resurrection ofWitnesses (3 1/2 days)

Total: 2300 days to theCleansing of the Temple, being the resurrection of the Two Witnesses, Forces ofGood and Evil identified and the Beast revealed for what he is. The reason Isay identified is because, up to this point, the Beast has been masquerading asthe Chosen of God while casting Michael and his friends as being of Satan. Itmight even be possible that the Beast actually believes himself to be the goodguy for he is indeed Gods chosen, but not in the way he believes.

The First Angel’s Trump sounds before the 2300 days, as he wages war onevil, but becomes evil in his pursuit of it. His fall is where the beginning ofthis 2300 day time period begins, signaled by the Trump of the Second Angel. Aswe know, the Trump of the Second Angel causes a ‘Mountain burning with fire’ tobe cast into the Sea. This mountain is the kingdom of the First Angel. The restfollow the pattern shown above.

30 days after the killing ofthe Two Witnesses, the Beast assaults the stronghold of the Holy People for thefinal time. At this time Jesus' returns to save those left alive, which also bringsabout the First Resurrection.

35 days after that, those whosurvived along with those of the First Resurrection will be tested one lasttime. Those who pass will be allowed in the inner court of the Temple of God,to stand before the face of God, while those who fail will be in charge of theouter court, serving them and the people of the earth for the next 1000 yearsunder the reign of Jesus Christ. The form of this is outlined in Ezekiel 40:46, 43:19,44:15 and 48:11 (a reading of the entire section of Ezekiel from chapter 40 –48 is recommended) and will be the fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel 12:2.

Simple scripture the shows that From the captivity in Babylon to Christ are 14 generations.

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.


14 generations = 560 years.

If you deduct the time of captivity in Babylon, 70 years you have490 years, not 490 days.


JLB

 

[JosyWales]

JLB, I understand that it has become common thinking to reinterprete Gods interpretation of the 70 weeks as being 490 years, however, as shown in the above chart, another striking situation is demonstrated. When I saw that taking all the times listed in Revelation from Revelation chapters 10-13 and adding it to the 70 weeks of Daniel formed exactly 2300 days, I realized that this could not be coincidence.

I am convenced that the form shown in my chart actually covers all the bases of all the scripture concerning end time events and that NO part of the times listed in Daniel or Revelation have occured yet.

God himself interpreted the 70 year period that Daniel was praying about (the Jeremiah prophecies of the 70 year captivity) and deliberately applied them to a 70 week future period. This was done because God was telling Daniel that the apocalyptic times he was living through was to be a pattern for a more intense Apocalypse in a future time, a time in which Michael would appear on Earth and do battle with the Beast of Revelation. Daniels 70 weeks was never meant to be again reinterpreted by men to become 490 years.

If you are one of those people who think that the Apocalypse of Revelation has already occured 2000 years ago, we will never agree. We know this cannot be so anyway since Revelation was written well after the Death and Resurrection of Christ and both Daniel and Revelation speak of the same 3 1/2 time period in Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 12:14, thus absolutely placing the events of Daniel and Revelation in the same period.

Things of importance to note:
** All times listed in Daniel and Revelation are literal and not symbolic in any way. There is NO day to year conversion of the 70 weeks**
1. The Seven Angels are real people and not just symbolic entities.
2. The woman of Revelation 12 is a real person and not a symbolic entity.
3. Michael the Archangel will appear on earth as a man, in the same manner that Jesus Christ did and is the Messiah who Daniel 9 refers to.

PS. if anyone is not seeing my chart in English, please tell me. This link might be better:

http://www.christianforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4028&d=1363829333

 

[Sinthesis]

Simple scripture the shows that From the captivity in Babylon to Christ are 14 generations.

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.


14 generations = 560 years.

If you deduct the time of captivity in Babylon, 70 years you have490 years, not 490 days.


JLB

Given this line of reasoning you would then have to believe that from Abraham to David was also 560yrs. This is clearly false.

 

[Knotical]

And yet we still will have no idea when the end will be. Always good to speculate tho.

 

[JosyWales]

 

[reba]

The earthly ministry of Jesus was about 3 1/2 years.... seems to me those of us building our theologies that this should matter

 

[JosyWales]

You just pointed out one thing my chart is missing, and that is when the Return of Christ will happen in my chart. It will happen at the 1290th day of Daniel and I shall go to work to add that point.

Thank you for pointing that out.

 

[JosyWales]

 

[JosyWales]

Introduction​

This document has one primary goal. After much reading and research I have come to the conclusion that much of what we are taught about the writings within the Bible concerning the Apocalypse isn’t correct. I have known for sometime that while we were being taught as truth was not necessarily so, however, determining the truth was a somewhat daunting task.

As a young man in my early 20s a series of events occurred to me that has allowed me a bit of an insight into what some of these prophecies mean. As I progress through this document I will reveal some of that, however I do not believe that the events that occurred to me are as important as the information that I was able to decipher as a result of them. Therefore I shall now attempt to put in writing my beliefs based on a combination of my experiences and whatI 've discovered in the Bible.

The SevenAngels of the Apocalypse are Men​

The Seven Angels spoken of in the Revelation of St. John are men born on the earth simultaneously and all the lengths of days listed in Daniel and Revelation are literal. Some symbolism is being used to describe the nature of the events surrounding them, but all the times listed, the events themselves and those to whom these events are attributed to, are to be taken to mean exactly what they say. Because of this I was able to create the chart that shows the progression of these events.

According to The Revelation of St. John, these seven men, or angels as they are referred to, are to go through four complete rotations or cycles of events.

Overview ofthe 4 Cycles of the Apocalypse ​

The first cycle is where God simply makes contact with each of them by showing them the Holy Spirit for the first time, in essence introducing Himself. What this means is that the Spirit of God, most commonly known as the Holy Spirit, will descend upon these seven people for a very short time (possibly for only a few minutes at most), thus allowing them to see the nature of God for the first time and meeting Him directly. This is chronicled in Rev Chapters 2 and 3

The Second Cycle, known as the breaking of the Seals, is where each one of the Seven is endowed for a certain time with a strong dose of the Holy Spirit to do with as they will. It is during this time that each of them willd emonstrate the type of people they are as they will be given the ability to use the Holy Spirit in any way they wish in a test run so to speak. However, the gift of this incredible power is only given to them for a short while and will be taken from them after a certain time period, along the order of a few days to a few weeks. This is chronicled in Revelation chapter 6.

After this happens, they will have a space of some time to reflect on their doings according to Rev. 8:1. This is God’s way of making sure that each one is doing things as they choose, so that later, no one can come back and say that they didn’t have enough time to make a proper decision. An example of this is given in Rev. 2:21-23 where God speaks to the 4th Angel of the woman Jezebel who dwells with him saying:

Rev. 2:21 “And I gave her space to repent of herfornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and themthat commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent oftheir deeds.”

This space of time, being some years in length, is an important part of the overall process to insure that no one is doing anything that they do not absolutely wish to do, because some of the seven people will not be doing the right thing with this gift and God, who is the most just, makes sure that they all have enough time to think about their actions, both past and future.

The Third Cycle, which as I have said, happens some years after the first two cycles (I believe this to be about 40 years or so as explained later in this document), is where the power of the Holy Spirit will be given to them fora long period of time, and it is during this cycle of time that the periods listed in Daniel and Revelation will occur. It is during this Third Cycle that the Apocalypse that is prophesied to happen will take place and will be the result of these seven forces colliding and interacting with each other in various ways. This is the most detailed and begins in Revelation chapter 8 with the Trumps of the seven angels.

The Fourth Cycle will occur at the end of this Apocalypse when each ofthese seven people unleashes one final massive blast of Energy, the result ofwhich is recorded in Revelation 15:6 - 16:21. This continues until the end, where Christ returns.

I am certain that the first two cycles have already completed themselves and we are nearing the third phase of this event. Because of things I observed personally, I believe that the First Cycle completed itself in early 1971 and the Second Cycle happened three years later at the beginning of 1974. If this is true, then the Seven Angels, who as I have stated are real people, are on the Earth now, know who they are and are preparing themselves for this next wave of action.

Since the space between the Second Cycle and the Third Cycle is somewhat cryptically referred to as “about a half hour in Heaven” (Rev. 8:1) and we are told that 1000 years on Earth is like either a day or a night in Heaven (the reference in Psalms 90:4 explains that the 1000 years is like either a day or a night and is not to be confused with a 24 hour day as commonly thought as a result of the repeating of this saying in 2 Peter 3:8), then, using the formula: 12 hours =1000 years, a space of around 40 yearsor so is to be expected, although there is no way to predict exactly how long this period will be because of the use of the word ‘about’ in this passage. I explain this in a bit more detail later in this document as well.

 

[JosyWales]

How I Arrived At This Idea​

I have always known that the way the Apocalypse has been presented to me by those who claim to be knowledgeable about it has been wrong. It was nonsensical, complicated to the point of ridiculousness and could not possibly be correct. It did not even fit the Bible properly and in many ways, contradicted important sections of it.

As a result, I have spent much time reading the Bible and trying to figure out the real way it is to transpire. However, it was only when I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost that I understood what I needed to know and began this research in earnest.

Many people speak of the event known as the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, but few understand it, mainly because in these days, it is a rare event and not many actually experience it in its perfection. It is where a great energy (the energy of life itself) suddenly comes upon a person, filling them, and they attain mental enlightenment to the point of actually being able to affect the physical environment around them by the shear energy they are experiencing. It is accompanied by an unbelievably euphoric feeling of power and strength which is
difficult to explain unless one actually goes through it. In effect, they meet God and if they are very lucky, God may even communicate directly with them.

It was this event that made me realize that it was quite possible that the Book of Revelation could be much more literal than most believe. In other words, I came to understand that the Seven Angels spoken of in Revelation were not symbolic entities, but real people that were destined to walk the earth and it was this knowledge that eventually led me to a more accurate interpretation of the future events described within the Bible.

There was another thing that became clear to me as a result of this happening.

We all know that during the Apocalypse one identified as the Beast will emerge, along with his cohort, the False Prophet. However, even though it is clearly stated in Revelation 12, there is someone else that will also appear to fight him. One of the Seven Angels that Revelation speaks of is Michael, an Archangel from God. All the references to the Strong and Mighty angel who appears in Revelation are references to him. Michael is to be born as a man on the earth just as his predecessor Jesus was. Michael is the second angel of Revelation, the Rider of the Red Horse. The background for this is found in the Book of Zechariah (Zec.1:7-13) where the rider of the red horse, who is the second angel in Rev. 6:3-4, is identified as the Angel of the Lord. It is also mentioned there that it is the Angel of the Lord that will lead the final assault against the Beast when Jesus returns (Zec. 12:8).

Here again is another contrast between what the Bible says and what people have been commonly taught to believe. Because the second angel is given a sword and takes peace from the earth, he has been ascribed as being an evil person. However, actually reading the Biblical text shows us that the second angel is only one of two among the seven angels that God approves of. In fact, this would explain why the second angel, along with the people of God, are released at the end of the 70 week period of captivity, since the trouble he causes will be just and results in their release.

It was because of this that I finally saw the answer.

The key to unlocking the correct way of interpreting this almost came by accident in the sense that I was pursuing an idea that, during the course of events, I found to be incomplete, but created a path that led me to the truth. Allow me to explain.

I had come to suspect, since time periods were listed so often in the Book of Revelation, that if I added all these days up, it would correspond to the days listed in Daniel. In other words, because I knew that a relationship exists between the Books of Daniel int he Old Testament and Revelation in the New Testament, I decided to find out what I would get if I added all the number of days listed in Revelation up together.I initially thought it would give me the 2300 days listed in Daniel Ch. 8. However,after adding them up, I found that I only had 1810 days that I could account for.

I was disappointed at first, but decided to subtract these 1810 days from the overall 2300 days to see what I was missing. In doing so I found that I had exactly 490 days left over.

This number seemed familiar, but at first I could not see what it was. Then it dawned on me that 490 days are the same thing as 70 weeks, which is the number of days that Daniel speaksof in Daniel Ch. 9 concerning the time assigned to the purifying of his people during the future Apocalypse that is to come.

I realized that I had inadvertently found the right combination of numbers that fit the pattern the Bible was speaking of.

In other words, if you take the 70 weeks of Daniel 9, add it to the 1810 days found in the Revelation of St. John, it equals the 2300 days of Daniel 8. After much thinking, I saw howi t all fit together and formed the chart shown above.

As to how this sequence of events is to pan out, the explanation lies particularly in the book of Daniel. It is the combination of times listed in both Daniel and Revelation that make understanding of this time sequence possible.

Daniel lists the events most concerning his people both in his current time and in the future Apocalypse to come, who will correspond with the Mighty and Holy People of Revelation. This is the Seventy Week period of Daniel 9 which was represented by the Seventy Year period that Daniel himself lived through and was prophesied in Isa. 23:15-17 and in Jer.25:11-12 and 29:10.

Revelation, on the other hand, is more concerned with world events that affect the entire population of men, which is why it documents what happens time-wise beginning with the Trump of the Fifth Angel and not before. This is why Revelation makes no mention of any times concerning the first four Angels of Revelation, because Daniel already covered it and assigned the times for them as is shown above.

 

[JosyWales]

Apocalypse as a Reoccurring Event and How Daniel Recorded It’s Rotation During His Time​

The appearance of the Seven Angels of Revelation is not a first time or even a one-time event, but a repeat of events that have happened several (perhaps many) times in the past, the most clearly documented being in the Book of Daniel itself. This is shown in Ezekiel Ch. 14 where Ezekiel prophesies that during the Apocalypse, Noah, Daniel and Job will all exist ins ome form together. Since the Bible also says that men are only appointed to live once on the earth, reincarnation on the earth is not likely. Therefore, the meaning behind this is that people that are so much like these old Biblical figures that they will be called by their names will exist during the Apocalypse and will interact directly with each other. An example of this method of using the name of a well understood person to describe another is used in Zec. 8:12 where it says: “the feeble in that day shall be as David”. There are also many mentions of people standing in the room of a certain person as in taking their place. This scripture in Ezekiel 14 also indicates that the apocalyptic cycle most likely occurred during the times of Noah and Job as well as during Daniel’s time.

The key to this is in the 9th chapter of Daniel where God juxtaposes the 70 year event occurring during Daniel’s time (the one foretoldby Isaiah 23:15-17 and Jeremiah 25:11-12, 29:10) with the future 70 week eventof Revelation, thereby indicating the correlation between the two. In other words, God was showing us the pattern of the event to come by fully documenting the previous event so that we might today have understanding of not only how it transpires but the why’s behind it.

The Seven Angels of Revelation are real people just as they were also real peopled uring the time of Daniel. In fact, the Book of Daniel actually documents each one of them in order for our convenient understanding.

The first Chapter of Daniel speaks of the King of Judah, Jehoiakim. He represents the First Angel who falls in Revelation, the rider of the white horse.

The Second Chapter is about Daniel himself, who is representative of the 2nd Angel, the rider of the Red Horse. This connection is established by the notation in Daniel 1 of his being tested for 10 days. This is seen again in Revelation 2:10 where the Second Angel is given Tribulation by God for 10 days as well.

The Third Chapter is about Daniel’s three friends, who collectively fit the pattern of the 3rd Angel, the rider of the Black Horse.

It should be mentioned here that there is a connection between the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Angels of Revelation and the Noah, Daniel and Job sequence that is repeated four times in Ezekiel 14, in that a Noah character will emerge from the events of the 1st Angel, a Daniel character will emerge from the events of the 2nd Angel and a Job character will emerge from the events of the 3rd Angel. A good understanding of these three characters is extremely helpful in interpreting the actions of these first three men (or Angels as they are referred to) during the time of the Revelation.

The Fourth Chapter is about Nebuchadnezzar, who represents the 4th Angel, the rider of the Pale Horse.

These first four are the templates of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse that Revelation speaks of.

The Fifth Chapter is about King Belshazzar, who represents the 5th Angel.

The Sixth Chapter is about King Darius, who represents the 6th Angel.

The Seventh through Ninth Chapter give us an overview of the meaning behind the events that the first six chapters have recorded as well as other significant information that is needed to put this puzzle into the correct sequence. This also shows the break between the first six angels and the seventh one.This break is also represented in Ezekiel Ch. 9-10 where it speaks of only six men, not seven, coming from the way of the north and following the one clothed in linen. The man clothed in linen is Michael and the other five are all the other angels (except the seventh) who are commanded by God to bring judgment upon the world. It is shown in these passages how God will protect his people from the destruction wrought by the forces these people unleash upon the world. It also shows us that the only one that does not follow this pattern, but destroys the people of God, to be the seventh angel who is the Beast.

The Tenth through Twelfth Chapters then speak of Cyrus, who represents the 7th and last Angel, and who becomes the Beast. It is through the 7th Angel (the Beast, who is of the Seven, and is the 8th as per Rev 17:11) that the False Prophet, appears. The Seventh Angel starts out as a Messiah, just as Cyrus, his predecessor did, but transforms into the Beast at some point, being corrupted by Satan.

It is interesting that the Bible actually calls Cyrus “Anointed” in Isaiah 45:1, using the same Hebrew word that Daniel uses in Daniel 9:25 & 26 (mashiyach), which is interpreted in the book of Daniel as “Messiah”. However,t he Messiah Daniel refers to is neither Cyrus nor is it Jesus as it is popularly attributed to. It is referring to Michael, who as I have previously mentioned, will appear on the earth as a man to fight Satan through the Beast and those who follow him. He will do this with the help of the friends he make shere, who are referred to as “his (Michael’s) angels” in Revelation 12:7.

 

[JosyWales]

The Final Apocalyptic Rotation​

By understanding these concepts, we can see the pattern.

The Seven Angels will meet each other on the World Stage. This is indicated by the blowing of the Trumpets of war by each of them in sequence, which is where they begin to physically take action, starting in the Eighth Chapter ofRevelation.

It all starts with the defeat of the 1st Angel by the 4th Angel, at which time the 2nd Angel is captured and brought into service of the 4th Angel, much as Jehoiakim was defeated by Nebuchadnezzar and Daniel was carried off to Babylon in Daniel 1.

It is at this time that the attack on the 3rd Angel begins, much as Job was attacked in the Book of Job by the Chaldeans. This attack will continue until the return of Christ with the 3rd Angel receiving much damage. This will probably occur to deflect Satan’s gaze away from his real threat which is the 2nd Angel (who is actually Michael) because Satan will believe that the 3rd Angel is the one who will destroy him, which is erroneous. It is this conflict between the 3rd Angel and the 4th – 7th Angels that is spoken of in Daniel 8,where we also see the prophecy of the 2300 days. It will follow the pattern shown in the book of Job and explains why God deliberately allowed Satan to spend hisforce against him so as to divert his attention from another. In the Book ofJob, you can see that in the end, another person with a truer knowledge of God appears in Job Ch. 32-37 in the form of Elihu, a young man who had been perfected by God and, though being young, teaches the old men wisdom and reveals to us one of the most beautiful and complete descriptions of God found in the Bible.

It is the pride of the 4th Angel that causes his fall, as symbolized in Daniel Ch. 4 with Nebuchadnezzar’s fall. Our connection here is the 7 times that pass over Nebuchadnezzar which is matched to the first 7 weekperiod of the 70 Weeks.

Because of the fall of the 4th Angel, at the end of the 7 weeks, the 5th Angel comes to power, unleashing the 5 months (150 days) of terror on the world. This will come to an end similar to the way Belshazzar fell as shown inthe 5th Chapter of Daniel.

At this point, the 6th Angel takes over and the next 62 weeks of the 70 weeks happen. The connection here is the odd mention of Darius being 62 years old at his taking of power in Daniel Ch. 6. It is as if God has given us a clue to keep us on track.

At the end of the 62 weeks, things change and 4 Angels of God, one of which is Michael, are thrown into prison, much as Daniel is thrown into the Lion’s Den in Daniel Ch. 6 during the reign of Darius. At the end of the 396 ¼ days and 1 hour (the Hour, Day, Month and Year mentioned in Revelation 9:15), these 4 Angels will be released and then the last 1 week (7 days) occur in which they will cause such an upheaval that the 7th Angel will finally release them from the captivity that they have had to endure, much as Cyrus releasedthe Jews in Daniel Ch. 10. It is at this time that the Seventh Angel becomes corrupted.

The rule of the 7th Angel will be absolute and last for 42 months (1260 days) after their release. During this time, the False Prophet will rise to power and the world will be trodden down. However, during this time, the People of God (the mighty and holy people mentioned in Revelation) will be in relative safety in the wilderness, possibly because their release fromtheir bondage has resulted in a designated place of safety for them, much as it was the Kings Decree (as shown in the Book of Ezra) that not only gave the Jews a safe place to live, but also the financing to support themselves. In otherwords, while the rest of the world is suffering under the tyranny of the 7th Angel, the people of God who have already endured the earlier trouble will now be shielded. Also at this time, the woman, who has given birth to a very special child, will be taken in by these people and sheltered from the face of Satan, who wishes her destruction.

Another event occurs at this time as well.

It is during this 1260 day period that the Two Witnesses will appear and roam the land doing God’s work. They will be connected with Michael and those in the wilderness and will in some way interact with them. The system that wil lbe in effect during this time is described in detail in Zechariah Ch. 4 where the “two Anointed Ones” (the two Witnesses of God) pour the Golden Oil (which is the Energy the Holy Spirit) into the Golden Candlestick which has a bowl on top of it (Michael) who then dispenses this Oil to the Seven Lamps (the Seven Thunders of Revelation Ch. 10:1-7 who I will go into more detail about in the last part of this document along with their relationship to Michael). They shall create a paradise on Earth during the Apocalypse, while being surrounded by Chaos.

However, at the end of the 1260 days, the Two Witnesses will be killed by the False Prophet, with the blessing of the 7th Angel and they will lie dead for 3 ½ days. At this time, the Holy People will be scattered and the woman whom they have sheltered will be recaptured by the Beast. The earth rejoices and commends the 7th Angel at first, but at the end of the 3 ½ days, when the Two Witnesses regain their lives and stand, it will suddenly become clear to all who the bad guys really are and the Beast, the Seventh Angel who has become the Eighth, and the False Prophet will no longer be able to deceive themselves and the world as to what they really are.

As a result of this, 30 days after the death of the Two Witnesses (the 1290 days of Daniel 12), the Seventh Angel, who is now revealed as the Beast, will attack the People of God (the Mighty and Holy People per Daniel 8:24) out of anger and desperation. Just as he appears to succeed, Jesus will show up and empower the People of God who are on the verge of being annihilated. At this time the prophecy of Zech. 12:8 will occur and the beaten people will be filled with the Power of God, as a pure unleashing of the Holy Spirit will fill them and, being led by Michael (Zech12:8) and with Jesus being seen above them (Zech. 9:14), the Beast will be vanquished. At this time the First Resurrection will happen simultaneously with the outflow of the Holy Spirit and those who died in Christ during the preceding 42 months under the reign of the Beast will return to life and fight with those who have survived.

It must be noted that those who have endured the Tribulation, and possibly died during it, will be a part of this First Resurrection as per Revelation 20:4-5. I believe that in actuality, those who died during this time, along with the others still alive will be the ONLY ones resurrected, this is why thinking that the event commonly referred to as the Rapture, where the true Christians are whisked away into the sky, is a dangerous way of thinking, since those who buy into this will be deceivedinto believing that they will not endure this event. Only those who go through this will receive the refining necessary to allow God to permit them into the Kingdom of Christ that will endure for the next 1000 years.

It is still not over though.

At the end of yet another 45days, one last trial is performed upon those who have part in the FirstResurrection. While none of those who have part in the First Resurrection canbe harmed by the Second Death that will occur at the end of the 1000 year reignof Christ, those of the First Resurrection will be separated into two groups byan unspecified event that will happen at the end of said 45 days.

Among them, some will beseparated to be the Priests of the Inner Court and will be able to serve Goddirectly, while the others will be relegated to the outside Court to serve asliaison between the Priests of the Inner Court and the general people who willpopulate the world at that time. It is not clear what this defining event thatcauses this will be, but the Bible says “Blessed are those who wait till the1335th day” in Daniel Ch. 12 so it is possible that during this last45 day period, one final situation must happen that separates these two groups.This is the meaning of Daniel 12:2 where it says that “Many of them that sleepin the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some toshame [and] everlasting contempt”.

So it shall it end and thetime of Christ’s 1000 Year reign shall begin.

 

[JosyWales]

Michael the Archangel​

One last thing to mention here is the appearance of Michael, who will be one of the Seven Angels and will be born as a man on the earth. Michael will be the Second Angel of Revelation and will follow the pattern of Daniel. This is why Daniel was so important in this chain of events. It was he who was laying out the future path that Michael (his Prince, as stated in Daniel 10:21) would follow.

There is much evidence to support this, such as in Ezekiel 9:2-3 & 11, where the one who is clothed in linen and has the “writers inkhorn by his side” is singled out by God for a special purpose, ie: to go before the others and mark all those who are to be saved from the wrath of those Angels who were commanded by God to follow behind him and destroy all the wicked that are unmarked by him. Michael will also record the events that happen to him during the Apocalypse for those in the future to read just as Daniel did during his event. Also the odd passage in Revelation 2:10 in relation to the 2nd Angel being given ‘tribulation’ for 10 days is a match to Daniel 1 where Daniel and his friends are tried for 10 days. This also makes sense of Daniel’s comment in Daniel 2:30 which reads:

But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for [any] wisdom that I have more than any living, but for [their] sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart. (KJV)

Some interpret this to be Daniel referring to himself and his friends who are with him at this event, but I have always felt it was Daniel signifying that he knew that what he was doing would be used as an instruction for those who would be repeating this event in the future.

There is much more anecdotal evidence that fits this and explains who the Mighty and Strong Angel of Revelation is. This person is Michael and he is following the pattern of his predecessor Daniel, who had already lived out and recorded an accurate record of events for him to gain knowledge from.

It there is also a connection between Michael and a group of Seven who are to be known as the ‘Seven Thunders’.

While who these people are is not directly noted, there is some scripture that indicates something about them in the Old Testament.

In reading the Old Testament, you find the mention several times of a man known simply as “The Branch”. Reference to this person is found in several passages including:

Isa 4:1 ¶ And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

Isa 4:2 ¶ In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth [shall be] excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

As you can see, an interesting prophecy concerning Seven Women and this person called the Branch is noted here in Isaiah.

Isa 11:1 ¶ And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

This continuation of the prophecy of the Branch in Isaiah is important because we can now see that this Branch is not Jesus, because Jesus, while never referred to as the Branch, is referred to as the Root of David here:

Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

And refers to Himself as such here:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.

The meaning of these scriptures is to indicate that Michael as coming after Jesus and will be his follower in that the Branch comes from the root as these scripture say.

Jer 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness togrow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

Because of the scripture I have just showed you, I believe that this prophecy is a reference to Michael growing up unto Jesus and performing the works in Revelation that are attributed to the Mighty and Strong Angel mentioned several times therein.

Zec 3:8 Hearnow, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: forthey [are] men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.

Zec 3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone [shall be]seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

Here we have a second tie into seven people being associated with this person known as the Branch. We also know that Joshua was the Old Testament name of Jesus. However, this passage might have a dual meaning in that someone, possibly one of the Two Witnesses will be presented with Michael during the Apocalypse and this is how he recognizes who he is.

Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name [is] The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and hes hall build the temple of the LORD:

And here we see that this person is to be responsible for the rebuilding of the Temple of the Lord, which would tie in to the mention of such an action in Daniel 9, as in a rebuilding of the temple here in modern times.

The symbolism behind the meaning of what God is trying to convey to us by using this term “Branch” is found in many places in the Bible such as:

Psa 80:15 And the vineyard which thy right hand hath planted, and the branch [that] thou madest strong for thyself.

Pro 11:28 He that trusteth in his riches shall fall: but the righteous shall flourish as a branch

Isa 11:1 ¶ And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

There is one more set of scriptures that I need to show you to make what I am about to write make sense. It is found in Zechariah 1 here:

Zec 1:8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that [were] in the bottom; and behind him [were there] red horses, speckled, and white

Zec 1:9 Then said I, O my lord, what [are] these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these [be].

Zec 1:10 And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These [are they] whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.

Zec 1:11 And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold,all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest.

Zec 1:12 ¶ Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

Zec 1:13 And the LORD answered the angel that talked with me [with] good words [and] comfortable words.

These passages seem to be completely overlooked by modern scholars. In them we are told that the Rider of the Red Horse is the Angel of the Lord. We are also shown a connection between him and the Seventy Years of Jeremiah which is related to the Seventy Weeks of Daniel.

There is also in Zec 4, the mention of ‘Two Olive Trees’, who are also referred to as the ‘Two Olive Branches’ and finally ‘The Two Anointed Ones’. These are certain to be the Two Witnesses of Revelation, and they are supplying someone who is symbolically pictured as a Candlestick with a golden bowl on top of it, (and who is later referred to as ”the god of the Whole Earth”) that feeds Seven lamps with a golden oil that it receives from these Two Olive Trees. In this we have yet another connection to what appears to be Michael and Seven other people whom he supports.

However, there is one more thing that is there but not as apparent, and that is the mention of the Angel of the Lord standing among the Myrtle trees.

It was clear to me upon reading the scripture found in Zec 1 that this mention of Myrtle trees in this instance in association with the Angel of the Lord who is the Rider of the RedHorse, was somehow symbolic of something, but I had no idea what it could be. However, in my study of the Bible, I came to understand that often the people’s names therein held meanings that were important because they often described their character in the biblical stories they were involved in. A great example of this is where the rich man named Nabal, whose name means ‘folly’, committed folly against David while David fled Saul in the Wilderness. This story is found in 1 Samuel 25:2 – 42.

Because of this, I began to look up the meaning of everyone’s name in the bible as I came across it. It was during one of these searches as I was reading the Book of Esther, that I found that Esther was actually her Persian name, but her Hebrew name was Hadassah. When I looked up her name in Strong’s Concordance, I found that it is interpreted to mean “myrtle”.

With this information, along with all the scriptures linking Michael with the Seven Thunders in Revelation11, the Branch, who I am sure is Michael in Isa 4 with 7 women, and now this reference to the Rider of the Red Horse, who is also the Angel of the Lord (once again a reference to Michael) as standing among the Myrtle trees, I have come to believe that the Seven Thunders are actually the seven women of Isa 4 and each of them will have the character of Esther in some way. This seems to be supported over and over in the scriptures I have found above, although it is difficult to tell where they might have come from. I speculate that they are each connected to one of the Seven Angels and this is why they are called ‘Eyes’ in the sense of each holding a viewpoint that relates to the particular Angel they originally came from, and now work together with Michael to form this perfect relationship that will be found in the Wilderness during the time of the rule of the Beast of Revelation during the 42 month reign of his Kingdom.

 

[JosyWales]

Blur00 said, "Maybe you could elaborate on this":

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“It should be mentioned here that there is a connection between the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Angels of Revelation and the Noah, Daniel and Job sequence that is repeated four times in Ezekiel 14, in that a Noah character will emerge from the events of the 1st Angel, a Daniel character will emerge from the events of the 2nd Angel and a Job character will emerge from the events of the 3rd Angel. A good understanding of these three characters is extremely helpful in interpreting the actions of these first three men (or Angels as they are referred to) during the time of the Revelation.”

I will be happy to.

I realized early on that if the future Apocalypse were based on past patterns, and if some of the Old Testament prophecies are directly related to Revelation, then they should be easy to see. The prophecy of Ezekiel was one of the first ones that showed me that a certain sequence of people, as identified by name, will occur in a certain order during the End Times.

I already had a group of 4, consisting of the 4 kings of Babylon as spoken of in Daniel, but, since there were 7 to be accounted for, I was lacking 3. Ezekiel 14 not only supplied them but also showed me how they were to be assembled.

The first thing I noticed was that in Revelation, a mysterious set of 10 days is mentioned in which God tells the Second Angel that during this time he will be given tribulation. I had already noticed that in Daniel 1, Daniel was also given this same number of days as a trial upon his arrival in Babylon. I saw the match, since it was obvious, but it was the fact that Daniel was the 2nd in the sequence of the Noah, Daniel , and Job that made me think that if Daniel was the template of the Second Angel, then Ezekiel was telling us there that Noah and Job must have some connection to the 1st and 3rd Angels.

Once I had the plan, the rest was easy to see.

In Revelation, the 1st Angel is warned that if he does not mend his ways, then his Candlestick will be taken away from him. Since we know from Rev 1 that as the Stars in Jesus hands are representative of the Angels themselves, we are also told that the 7 Candlesticks are their churches. Now, since we are told in the Bible that where at least 2 (or more) are gathered together, there is a church, I came to see that if the Angels (Stars of Rev 1) are people, then the Candlesticks are also people, and since you only need one, they may be individuals just as the Angels are, though in some instances, the Churches (Candlesticks) may represent more than one.

Since Revelation tells us that the 1st Angel (Rider of the White Horse) falls, and that his church is taken away from him by God, then the connection to the Noah-type would be the 1st Angels Church departing from him in the same way Noah departed the fallen people in his Arc. As a result I now saw a connection between the Noah reference in Ezekiel and the 1st Angel in the same way I had already seen the connection to the Daniel with the 2nd Angel.

Using the same method, I then looked at the 3rd Angel to see if there was a similarity there as well to a Job-like figure, and sure enough, it was also easy to see.

In Revelation, God chastises the 3rd Angel for associating with people who claimed to be Gods people, but were actually not. This is a match with Job’s 3 friends, who God became furious with at the end of the Book of Job for their actions. Now I had a match between Noah, Daniel and Job and the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Angels of Revelation.

Now that I had that established, only needed to match the last 4 and they were handed to me on a silver platter so to speak in Daniel.

You see, most people think that the 4 kingdoms that Daniel spoke of, first in Daniel 2 with the statue made of the 4 metals and then again in Daniel 7 with the 4 beasts, are symbolic of kingdoms that existed well after the death of Daniel, with the exception of Babylon of course.

In other words, they think that head of Gold was representative of Babylon, the Arms of Silver as the Medio-Persian empire, the body and thighs of Brass as Greece and the Legs of Iron as Rome.

THIS IS COMPLETELY INCORRECT!

The four kingdoms of Daniel are the ones he actually lived through himself. The head of Gold was Nebuchadnezzar. There is no doubt of this since Daniel said so directly. However, the arms of Silver, the inferior Kingdom, is Belshazzar, who came after Nebuchadnezzar, Daniel is clear that Belshazzar was inferior to Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 5. The body and thighs of Brass is Darius, who Daniel 6 makes sure to tell us that he rules the entire known world of his time. The last Legs of Iron are Cyrus the Persian.

We now have the character types that we can associate with the 7 Angels of Revelation. They are in order:

1. 1st Angel = Noah type
2. 2nd Angel = Daniel type
3. 3rd Angel = Job type
4. 4th Angel = Nebuchadnezzar type
5. 5th Angel = Belshazzar type
6. 6th Angel = Darius type
7. 7th Angel = Cyrus type

If you look at each of the last 4, Nebuchadnezzar through Cyrus, and then look at the descriptions of the last 4 Angels of Revelation, Angels 4- 7, you can easily see an almost exact matchup between them, which leads back to the outline I showed you earlier about how the Chapters of Daniel tie directly into descriptions of each of the 7 Angels, starting with Chapter 1’s connection with the 1st Angel, Chapter 2’s connection with the 2nd Angel and so on which I go into great detail about in the section “Apocalypse as a Reoccurring Event and How Daniel Recorded It’s Rotation During His Time”.

Remember that it is my belief that the 70 years of Daniel are a template for the 70 weeks of the future Apocalypse, and this is the basis of how this all ties together. It does so amazingly well too if I might say so.

 

[Joe Domingo]

Wish I could show you my PDF for a really good biblical timeline

 

[JosyWales]

I get the feeling you disagree with my chart. If so, what part do you have trouble with?

I should mention I guess that I am not really interested in seeing other peoples ideas or charts in this thread because it is not my goal to dispute with them about the merits of demerits of them. What I am more interested in is seeing if anyone here can see any fallacy in my thinking or error in the chart I have provided. I prefer this because in other places I have found that I have been sidetracked by people not addressing what I have shown at all, but simply launch into a bombardment trying to simply dismiss my chart by pushing their own.

I have no wish to discredit others opinions, simply to promote my own and if anyone can find an error, then do so. I don't think you will.

 

[JosyWales]

I want to thank a certain anonymous party for asking me these questions in private, but I have no problem answering them in public. I will show his questions and observations in Green:

Until I read the "Final Rotation" I was unclear who you thought were the "People of God."

I believe the people of God to be the 144,000 virgin Jews headed by Michael and His Seven, who will be the focal point of a larger group of many who flee the Beasts rule. This larger group will be made up of people from every walk and persuasion of life.

Who is the "woman?" You know who most believe that refers to, don't you?

The Woman who has the child in Revelation is a real person, of whose identity I do not know as of yet. She is not ‘symbolic’ of anything but will most likely be Jewish since the reference to the sun, moon and stars is a replica of Joseph’s dream symbolism.

Unless I'm missing something you're not claiming that the Tribulation Period is for Israel alone.

No, it is not just for them, it is for all those who believe in Christ truly. While this will include the 144,000, it will also include everyone who stands for Christ in truth.
In Revelation real events are described in symbolic language. Why must there be an extended battle? When Christ returns I can't fathom much of a battle at all. Who can fight Him, the Creator of the World? I think that Peter got it right when he said that this world as we know it will be burned up. These battle scenes have helped sell books and movies but Satan's most organized assault against God won't be much to write home about when Christ takes him out forever.

In terms of the end battle, you are correct. It will probably not last long at all. However, the conflict that occurs before this last decisive stand will last for the 2300 day period and the extra days of 30 then 45 spoken of by Daniel in Daniel 12. The purpose for this is to train and refine those who will be allowed to have part in the 1000 year reign with Christ at the end of this event. Only those who fight the Beast will live and reign with Christ during this time, even though it will also end in failure at the end of the 1000 years.

I believe the Apostle Paul and he has told us that a time of lawlessness - one like mankind has yet to experience - is coming. So, I'm not going to throw your baby out with the bathwater. There is a time coming that will make A.D. 70 pale in comparison, but that will be God's wrath, not Roman wrath, and God's wrath is not for His people. I don't say this as my personal interpretation but we both know that there is some personal interpretation in all of these end-times scenarios, including yours. I read the first three books of Genesis and compare those with the last three books of Revelation. I read what Jesus said, what Peter said, and what Paul said and compare that to Revelation. Too many Christians look for Old Testament passages to fulfill New Testament passages, when we should do the opposite. That is why so many believe that Revelation, after Chapter Three, is exclusively meant for Israel.

Some of what you say, I agree with and some I do not.

You say that God is not angry with his people, but I disagree. He is angry, just not as much as with those around them. That is why the Apocalypse is divided into two parts. The first part is where God cleans up his people and he uses the future Babylon to do it. When this is accomplished, he then unleashed the future Babylon on the world, and finally, he punishes them as well, bringing in the reign of Christ.

This is supported in the bible where God says:

Isa 47:6 I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.

Isa 47:11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, [which] thou shalt not know.

I also believe that the prophecies of both the Old and New Testament are directed at the fulfillment of Revelation. They may have some application toward the time they are written for, but they are also to be used in the final form for the End Times. There are too many to list, but my explanation for my chart lists many, a great example being Eze 14, the whole chapter.

What do you believe is God's purpose with the Millennium?

Defining Gods purposes is a bit too much for me, but I have noticed that even the Millennium fails at the end. Since I believe that God's goals are to make a perfect people who he can allow to live forever, incorruptible, in complete happiness, and each one wielding the power of God, I have to assume that this is the last step He must perform to create such folks.

I must tell you that I was a hard line Dispensational for about forty five years and I have changed my mind about many things. Dispensationalism requires that the Body of Christ, the new single man in Christ, must be divided by two separate covenants during the Millennium. If that is true then we can rip the entire Book of Hebrews from the Bible and many other parts as well.

I have a dislike for titles that pigeonhole ideas into prearranged groups. My beliefs are set out quite clearly in my chart and explanation and probably encompass quite a few ideas from many different areas. I have not followed any of this, but have used the Bible to come up with a set of ideas that appears to be completely different from anything anyone has ever taught me. If anyone can see any error in my ideas, please show me so that we can discuss them.

I wanted to ask these questions directly. There are many Dual Covenant Believers at this forum and had I asked you my questions publicly they would have taken your thread somewhere you probably would not want it to go.

I welcome any input except anything that shifts away from the topic of this thread, which is my chart and how well it does or doesn’t fit into the Bible. I am not sure what Dual Covenant even is, since I have not studied the teachings of men, but have secluded myself with only the bible in an attempt to get to the pure truth, without corrupting influences. It was in this way that I developed what you see here and it is why I was able to cut through much of the incorrect thinking that has corrupted modern interpretation of Revelation and the rest of the Bible.

I appreciate your hard work and what you feel is something that the Lord revealed to you. He is not a respecter of persons and I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit and still don't get everything right. God the Father gave His Son, The Lord Jesus Christ the scroll with the pre-recorded history of the world. Only THEY know everything.

I agree with this last statement completely.

Thanks for your time.

And I thank you for your response as well. I sincerely appreciate it.

 

[Joe Domingo]

Not disagreeing with your work at all

 

[JosyWales]

Joe, sorry if I made a mistake in assuming that you were in disagreement. I am so used to people not agreeing with me that I guess I jumped to a conclusion. I apologize.

To give you an example of what is I guess a normal response, I will post something off another forum and you may see what I mean. Their words are indented, in blue and in italics.

There is a relation between Christ's Revelation and the OT prophets, but not using things like Gematria like you appear to be doing. Anyone can find numerical links between NT and OT Scripture and play games with it. We don't need that, we only need read and heed the Scriptures as written, for they are simple enough once God's Word as a whole is read and studied under guidance by The Holy Spirit.
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Well, lets take a look at this.

First, we need to understand what Gematria is. Since I didn't know, and I figure there may be some others as well, I looked it up and this is what I found:

Gematria or gimatria (Hebrew: גימטריא/גימטריה‎ gēmaṭriyā) is a traditional Jewish system of assigning numerical value to a word or phrase, in the belief that words or phrases with identical numerical values bear some relation to each other, or bear some relation to the number itself as it may apply to a person's age, the calendar year, or the like.

I didn't know I was doing that, but perhaps in a way, I am, but not in this traditional way.

I did notice that there seems to be a direct link between Noah, Daniel and Job in Ezekiel and the first 3 angels of Revelation, and perhaps that is what he is talking about. He does mention a bit later something that might be an example of what he means, but it is a very bad example. If he had others, I would like to hear them.

There is a connection with the 10 days between the Books of Daniel and Revelation, but it's in the tribulation sense. And the connections of Noah's time Jesus made that simple with His comparisons in His Olivet Discourse, and in Rev.11 & 12. No need to create some mystical magical mystery tour out of that.
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I like the Beatles too, but, apart from that, seeing a link between the 10 days of Daniel and the 10 days of the 2nd Angel is pretty straight forward. I do see an obvious link between Jesus and Noah, but that would start a different topic entirely. I have simply pointed out that the Noah mention in Ezekiel and the separation of the Church from the 1st Angel look to me to have some connection, especially when combined with all the other connections.

Well, the idea of 'stars' put for angels is not about flesh people. In Rev.1 with the layout Jesus showed John about the seven candlesticks and stars, it's involving a Heavenly pattern for a literal structure on earth. The seven candlesticks are... the seven Churches Jesus said there. Yet Jesus showed John those seven candlesticks reside in Heaven (Rev.2:5). So the meaning of the candlesticks is not some fleshy idea that Churches are literally candlesticks, but simply that the seven candlesticks in Heaven SYMBOLICALLY REPRESENT the seven Churches of Asia per Rev.2 & 3. Likewise with the seven stars (angels) over the seven Churches.
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Partially right and also partially wrong.

I think it is quite easy to see the connection between the stars and the 7 Angels since the whole of Revelation revolves around them. Also, it is my contention that the 7 churches of Asia are used as representative of the type of people the Angels (who are born as men on earth during the Apocalypse) will be like.

If you read the whole of Revelation, you have to notice that after identifying the 7 churches by name in Rev 1 and 2, John then goes on to repeat this pattern of 7 three more times, all concerning what are pretty clearly the actions of individuals that occur during the Apocalypse. I am not sure how one does not see that.

So yes, there is a symbolic representation here based on the old churches, but they are symbolic of the nature of the 7 Angels and their churches, who are real flesh and blood people, that are to appear during the End Times. My chart shows that the events shown in Revelation happen in real time and are done by real individuals.

This is where you really... go astray. The rider on the white horse on the first given seal of Rev.6 is not linked with any of the angels of the seven Churches. That rider coming on a white horse to conquer represents the coming Antichrist, the psueod-Christ which my Lord Jesus and His Apostles warned His Church about.
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How in the world can you not see the direct connection between the rider of the White Horse being the 1st Angel is somewhat beyond me. I don't think the Bible could be any clearer on that. The fact that you cannot see it indicates to me that your theology wont permit you to do so, and you have to make this separation to be able to hold on to whatever you have been convinced of. This must also mean that you have to disconnect the Red Horse rider with the 2nd Angel, the Black Horse rider with the 3rd Angel and the Pale Horse rider with the 4th Angel. I can only say that you are incorrect in this assumption and are basically ignoring outright what is written in the Bible.

If you don't care to go astray on that Rev.6 rider on the white horse like you did, then the rest of your supposition is worse and not worthy of note.
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Your wording is a bit odd, but I take it to say that since I have somehow made an error in the understanding that the White Horse rider and the 1st Angel are connected, that you then use that as the basis to throw the rest of it out too. This is a shame since the obvious error is in your inability to see this clear cut connection.