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Alabaster
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What do you think about these questions, Oats?
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Elijah674
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Just one sin with the start & its END. It is defined in 1 John 3:4 & explained somewhat from start to finish in the ending, of 1 John 5:16-17.. coupled with Bro James in James 1:15. David helps also in Psalms 19:13!
That is the 'Short' of it.
And pride? That is what the Bible says, right? (cause of heavens rebellion) But even then we need to understand that there is Godly good pride & then satan's stuff for self only. Even that goes to his extremes in our life on earth! Like carnal dressing of eveyday clothe's for worship, (or less) & church music sounding like something coming out of the jungles of Africa.;)
--Elujah
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lamplady
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benjamin-benjamin
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let me tread carefully here. the parable of the workers among other things show that there is not a "limit" on how much you can sin. Yes you can sin as a christian, but you can repent "70 times 7", so basically unlimited... but if you decide to continue to live a life of sin, unrepentant then you can lose salvation.. a perfect example is looking at the 7 letters we see in rev.
4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. 6 But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
obviously we know that the lampstand is in heaven and removing it means removing their place in heaven...
14 Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality. 15 Likewise, you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
once again if they don't repent, then God will fight against him and as Jesus said a house divided cannot stand so God cannot fight himself...
20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.
once again repentance is necessary, which up to this point these people had not done..
I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds unfinished in the sight of my God. 3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
they are about to die a spiritual death unless they change
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
obviously God is about to reject them.....
hope this helps...
4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. 6 But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
obviously we know that the lampstand is in heaven and removing it means removing their place in heaven...
14 Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality. 15 Likewise, you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
once again if they don't repent, then God will fight against him and as Jesus said a house divided cannot stand so God cannot fight himself...
20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.
once again repentance is necessary, which up to this point these people had not done..
I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds unfinished in the sight of my God. 3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
they are about to die a spiritual death unless they change
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
obviously God is about to reject them.....
hope this helps...
Oats
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dude...
i know the answers, in my opinion
i want yours..
the questions are up for theological discussion...
Oats
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if pride is not the root
what brings up evil desires?
is it not that we think we deserve to sin?
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lamplady
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Oats
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Pride is saying i can solve my problems i don't need God he doesn't understand...
isn't that all sin
for you to say no so boldly is if you have solved the problem....
God resist the proud but gives GRACE to the humble
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1. Believers can and will sin, but all our sins are covered by the blood of the Lamb.
2. Because they don't understand we've been bought with a price, and kept by the power of God.
3. Whatever is not faith is sin, so everything done by "self" is sin....coming short of the glory of God.
4. I would have to say both lust and pride.
1 John 2:16 said:
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elijah23
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Question 1 seems to assume that once you are saved, you are always saved. I reject that premise.
As for question 2, I do not know why people say what they say. I do believe people suffer for a period of time after they sin, though.
Question 3: Any selfish act is a sin, but I think four biggies are: Failure to love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, unchasity, pride, and insobriety.
I don’t know the answer to question 4. My pride once caused me to do an unchaste thing, and more recently my pride seems to have caused me to sin. I don’t know if that is enough to suggest that pride is the root of ALL sin, though. What do YOU think?
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Alabaster
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If you are truly saved, then you are always saved, and if you wander away, you will see heaven, but lose rewards. Some people are 'pretend' saved...they have had a pique of conscience once, were spiritually awakened to their sinfukness, acknowledged Jesus, but never really received Him.
Some don't, especially unbelievers. Some people have seared consciences.
“If you are saved, can you sin?â€
By the word “can†do you mean is it possible? I believe the answer is yes. We are sinful and we will continue to make mistakes in thought and action. The difference is that once saved we no longer embrace our sinful lives. We are remorseful and realize that we deserve eternal punishment. We strive to avoid sin at all times; resisting temptation whenever it presents itself. Finally, when we make mistakes we rest on the knowledge that Jesus has paid the atonement for our sinfulness and that gives us the strength to move forward.
If however your use of the word “can†implies permission then I believe the answer is no. Is sin ever permitted by God? I believe when one is saved they take on a new attitude of commitment to Jesus and a desire to please Him. Therefore, they will not "permit" themselves to sin even the slightest infraction.
“Why do people say that if you sin too much when saved then you go to hell?â€
Isn’t just one sin too much? Because of sin we deserve hell as the wages of sin is death BUT we have the promise of salvation through Jesus Christ to those who believe and trust in Him.
By the word “can†do you mean is it possible? I believe the answer is yes. We are sinful and we will continue to make mistakes in thought and action. The difference is that once saved we no longer embrace our sinful lives. We are remorseful and realize that we deserve eternal punishment. We strive to avoid sin at all times; resisting temptation whenever it presents itself. Finally, when we make mistakes we rest on the knowledge that Jesus has paid the atonement for our sinfulness and that gives us the strength to move forward.
If however your use of the word “can†implies permission then I believe the answer is no. Is sin ever permitted by God? I believe when one is saved they take on a new attitude of commitment to Jesus and a desire to please Him. Therefore, they will not "permit" themselves to sin even the slightest infraction.
“Why do people say that if you sin too much when saved then you go to hell?â€
Isn’t just one sin too much? Because of sin we deserve hell as the wages of sin is death BUT we have the promise of salvation through Jesus Christ to those who believe and trust in Him.
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elijah23
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The Lord will always discipline us when we sin.
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elijah23
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Unrighteous people might not think they are suffering, because they don’t know how beautiful life can be when we obey the commandments of the Lord, but I think they suffer a lot.
Drew
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I doubt it. There are a number of texts, not least this one from Hebrews that suggest that a person can indeed "fall away" and suffer ultimate loss:
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Besides, I suggest that you have adopted a model for the nature of salvation that simply does not honour what Paul actually writes. In short, despite what so many believe, Paul does not see salvation as "one-time" event. In fact, Paul at various places refers to salvation in past, present, and future terms. Things are not as simple as they seem, and Paul's model of salvation has a clear "tense" structure - there are senses in which the believer is saved at the point of belief as well as in the future.
benjamin-benjamin
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GREAT POST... RIGHT ON THE TARGET...
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Alabaster
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Note that His discipline is not punishing. The point is that we learn to discipline ourselves in the strength He gives us.
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Alabaster
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It is a false message to tell people that life is beautiful when we come to Jesus. That gospel is a false one and those who come under its spell become what we now call false converts. At the first bit of trouble in life, these deceived people abandon God.
Christians have difficult lives and heartbreaks just like sinners do. By the same token, many sinners live good lives outside of Christ.