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From my observation of late:

A recent thread, what do do believe about your salvation, now closed for the usual reasons, has me concerned for the members of this forum.

Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

If the majority of forum members, by the way they conduct themselves here, believe that they belong, or are guaranteed, to pass through the small gate and be on the narrow road, God help us.

In this regard, if 80% believe that their souls are fully saved, God help them.
 
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Welcome to the new normal in America mate....!!!!!!!

This has been a downward spiral for the last 50-60 years in this country...

Doesnt look like its gonna change soon as we are dooped by the devil with various doctrines
That allow us not to deal with our sins......
Any christian in America that believes we dont have a sin problem inside the church that needs to be dealt with
Is living in a cloud of deception!!!!!

And as long as we decieve ouselves into hiding our sins behind false doctrines it will continue!!!!!!

There is only one way to get rid of sin ......
Through repentence at the Cross of Christ!!!!!!

In any relationship ....especially with a holy God...
If you never say you are sorry and reconcile....that relationship will be destroyed in time...
Anyone who denies their sin and hasnt confessed sin in many years is decieved.....
And will destroy their relationship with God....
1 john1:10
If we say we have no sin...His word is not in us......

Keep up the fight in Australia mate...
And i will meet you at the narrow gate.......
 
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I'm an American Christian. I do sometimes wonder if American culture has had a bad influence on the church. I've only lived in America, so I cannot speak for the "Christian experience" elsewhere.

I do think there seems to be less and less emphasis on proper living, and more on...anything else, really. In the (dying...) mainline denominations, one finds more "freedom" and less sound doctrine. On the "right wing" of Christendom, one finds a frightening anti-intellectualism, authoritarianism, and a culture of conformity. Not always, though. My current best friend is an elderly Pentecostal widow, and she's shared with me loads of wisdom over the 5, 6 years I've known her. I'm beginning to think, though, that maybe God put her in my life because there aren't that many Christians like her left, even in the south.

Jesus saves, not the congregation, certainly not the denomination. I remember reading some stuff by David Wilkerson, about a "remnant" of true believers form all over Christendom (including the RCC) who would keep their eyes on Jesus even as the churches came crashing down under the weight of worldliness and sin. Maybe the times he envisioned are upon us?
 
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1 John 3:8-10 The person who lives a sinful life belongs to the devil, because the devil has been committing sin since the beginning. The reason that the Son of God appeared was to destroy what the devil does. Those who have been born from God don’t live sinful lives. What God has said lives in them, and they can’t live sinful lives. They have been born from God. This is the way God’s children are distinguished from the devil’s children. Everyone who doesn’t do what is right or love other believers isn’t God’s child.
 
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1 John 3:8-10 The person who lives a sinful life belongs to the devil, because the devil has been committing sin since the beginning. The reason that the Son of God appeared was to destroy what the devil does. Those who have been born from God don’t live sinful lives. What God has said lives in them, and they can’t live sinful lives. They have been born from God. This is the way God’s children are distinguished from the devil’s children. Everyone who doesn’t do what is right or love other believers isn’t God’s child.
You cannot sin? Would you not consider misleading somebody astray a sin? Is not trying to convince another person of something that is not true a sin. Is not saying one thing (e.g. "I'll will see you tomorrow") and not following it up a sin? Is not getting angry with someone and trying to get them to do something your way (threatening another for self satisfaction) a sin? There are hundreds of various subtle sins that most people do not consider a sin. Anything we do with others that is not done out of love, but out of self-will, is a sin.
 
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You cannot sin? Would you not consider misleading somebody astray a sin? Is not trying to convince another person of something that is not true a sin. Is not saying one thing (e.g. "I'll will see you tomorrow") and not following it up a sin? Is not getting angry with someone and trying to get them to do something your way (threatening another for self satisfaction) a sin? There are hundreds of various subtle sins that most people do not consider a sin. Anything we do with others that is not done out of love, but out of self-will, is a sin.
:) There's no sin for a believer.
I was wow'd by a post made last night just before I signed off to go to bed. I highly recommend it. http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...-us-romans-1-26-2-1.72060/page-6#post-1394649
 

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:) There's no sin for a believer.
I was wow'd by a post made last night just before I signed off to go to bed. I highly recommend it. http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...-us-romans-1-26-2-1.72060/page-6#post-1394649
How can we reconcile this with 1 John 1:8-10?
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. NKLV
 
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:) There's no sin for a believer.
Well, then there is no reason for forgiveness, to say sorry to someone or to make amends.
No reason whatsoever to improve since you are already spotless and pure (sinless).

This kind of belief eliminates the need to be humble and meek, the very attitude which faith is based on.
No wonder Jesus said Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

It is so easy to take the broad and wide way, but hard for 'self' to go the small and narrow way. If it was so easy, just by believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, then everybody would be doing it. And as evident in this forum, many have too the easy way. It takes faith (unreserved, unconditional faith) to bare oneself as exposed and vulnerable (humble and meek) before being cleansed by Truth.

In other words, one must let go of everything for Everything.

I've been told that those that grab the easy way, think they escaped judgment.
It takes a certain rare person to forego that idea and face their own truth.
All I know is that those who abide in keeping their robes clean (repent and make amends) have nothing to lose if they got it wrong. Those who don't, got everything to lose if they got it wrong.
 
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How can we reconcile this with 1 John 1:8-10?
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. NKLV
John is ministering the good news to sinners. Preempting the doubt that the Word is life the passage when reading from verse 1 puts these few verses into context. The 1st John passage there is speaking to those not redeemed in Christ.
The passage says "redeemed from all unrighteousness." How are we to remain unrighteous, sinners, when we're redeemed from all of it through the grace of God in Christ.
How would an Apostle deliver the good news of redemption and rebirth in Christ and still be a sinner sinning?
Hebrews 8:12 God forgives our wickedness , our sins, and remembers them no more when we repent and are reborn through God's grace and our faith in Christ. But we remain a sinner sinning? So God has more sins to not remember as we re-offend, sin?
How then were we reborn from the old self that redemption made to pass away? If we remain as that old self was, a sinner sinning.
How were we saved from our sins if we still sin as sinners. When sinners are separated from Christ, and accepting Christ as our savior united us into the body of Christ.
 
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...How are we to remain unrighteous, sinners, when we're redeemed from all of it through the grace of God in Christ....
Are you in Christ ever second of your life. When you are in Christ, you are aware of the truth and know how stupid it would be to self-sabotage your life to turn your back to it. Whenever you run on self-will you are not in Christ but in self.
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Hebrews 8:12 God forgives our wickedness , our sins, and remembers them no more when we repent and are reborn through God's grace and our faith in Christ. But we remain a sinner sinning? So God has more sins to not remember as we re-offend, sin?
How then were we reborn from the old self that redemption made to pass away? If we remain as that old self was, a sinner sinning.
How were we saved from our sins if we still sin as sinners. When sinners are separated from Christ, and accepting Christ as our savior united us into the body of Christ.
So you actually do not sin? You don't ever ever lie, even when you are not well and a cashier asks "How are you?" and you so "Well" just to please the person.

If you never ever sin, then you must be aware of the truth in all matters. Never being doubtful or fearful. Never needing anything because a sinless person is fulfilled.
 
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From my observation of late:

A recent thread, what do do believe about your salvation, now closed for the usual reasons, has me concerned for the members of this forum.

Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

If the majority of forum members, by the way they conduct themselves here, believe that they belong, or are guaranteed, to pass through the small gate and be on the narrow road, God help us.

In this regard, if 80% believe that their souls are fully saved, God help them.
Brother Hermit,
Coming out of the SE Texas Juke Joints and all night Blues Clubs and into the Church, not that building down the road but to the Family of God, the Church, I was never, as a sinner,surprised when the Baptists, the Pentecostals and others showed up Friday Night to run the young ladies around the Dance Floor and try to get them to lay down for them. When a Baptist Woman showed up one Friday Night it shocked me somewhat when she popped out her upper equipment for my examination, it hit me, she was trying hard to seduce me and her calling the name of the Christ that I ran hard the other way.

About a year later, 1/1/90, I converted and one of the first things I learned outside of my Bible Study was news of the Barna Groups Survey of the State of the American Christian Church. They determined to use only the Faithful and defined such as being Members that attend no less than three Services a week. This, of course translated means they basically surveyed the people that perform all the things needed to operate an assembly for Worship Services and Sunday School.

As I recall the survey was a yes or no sheet with check boxes for the answers. It wa performed in Double Blind Fashion and even a Church's Pastor could not see who answered any of the questions... to extract the most honest answers possible.

The questions were basic such as, Do you believe Jesus died on the Cross to pay for your sins?
Do you believe Mary was a Virgin when she gave birth to Jesus?
Do you believe Jesus will return to gather you to Himself with the Dead in Christ?
And so on, basic Christianity.

The results were depressing. Oh, by the way, the Pastor of each of the churches in the denominations was required to certify each person qualified. At the end, when the representatives had visit the different denominations and had administered the Survey in each, it turns out that of the tested groups, across the nation, less than 10% believe the Basic Tenants of the Christian Faith.

On the Computer, the worst comes out of us and must be guarded to keep in control. That ten percent should be somewhere near 2% or less of the membership roll. If w sre saved and we attend Church services, each time we do we are in a Ripe Mission Field white unto the harvest. Here on these forums? It is more so.

May God pour out His Blessings here, it is needed.
 
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Are you in Christ ever second of your life. When you are in Christ, you are aware of the truth and know how stupid it would be to self-sabotage your life to turn your back to it. Whenever you run on self-will you are not in Christ but in self.
Please post the scripture that supports your belief.
Which would entail the holy spirit that indwells me, a believer in Christ anywhere, being evicted from us, meaning we are not sealed unto the last day, when we re-enter into the world.
So you actually do not sin? You don't ever ever lie, even when you are not well and a cashier asks "How are you?" and you so "Well" just to please the person.
I am always amazed when I encounter the question. It indicates I am suppose to re-think the passages in scripture that says God cleanses the repentant of all unrighteousness. And those verses that say those in Christ do not sin.Do not make a habit of sinning. I think those scriptures are not known by the questioner in such situations which is what prompts the question.

If you never ever sin, then you must be aware of the truth in all matters. Never being doubtful or fearful. Never needing anything because a sinless person is fulfilled.
How terribly unfortunate.
Christians are not under the law. We are under grace.
1 John 3:8: “he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”
 
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I was inspired to copy and share this from my profile page. I hope it helps those for whom the holy spirit meant it to be shown.





A post that Wow'd me, by Kidron. Linked to original posting, #110, here. God had his hand on that brothers back and whispered mightily into his ear the truths of the father and Christ. Praise the Lord Kidron shared what he knew.
"A reprobate mind is also described as a "seared conscience".

In a believer, if this has happened, then they are still saved, but, over time, they have sinned and sinned and continued and this behavior is like sandpaper on wood, regarding how it affects the conscience.



Here is something that novice christians, or those who tend to reject grace in favor of their own self righteousness as their way to "help Christ out with His cross" by their pov that they informs them that they need to be working those good works to sort of finalize their salvation, as if the blood of Christ is not.... quite.... enough..... for the job and needs their help.

So, what i'll teach now is not going to fit a self righteous do-gooder who is working their way into heaven with the help of the cross as a back up. (just in case).

How do u determine if you are one of those?

Just take the test. The test is simple..... Here it is.....ask yourself....."if i drop dead before i finish reading this post, ..what am i trusting to get me to heaven"...

And if your only answer in your mind is not..."Jesus"...then you are trusting yourself to get yourself to heaven.

Did you pass the test?

If you didnt, ....if things like water baptism, and confessing sins, and some scripture by James, or any of this popped up in your head instead of..."what is all my righteousness, nothing but the blood of JESUS".......then you failed.

"F".



So, here it is..

Once you are saved, this means that God has now actually given you the "gift of righteousness", which recreates you to be as sinless as Christ.

The law has now become abolished, regarding its power to condemn you, or be used against you.

This is why your bible says you are no longer "UNDER IT"....like a slave under a chain.

A believer is now eternally accepted by God, as being righteous, as this is the EFFECT that the Blood Atonement has on you, and its an ETERNAL effect.

Now, some of you, will never understand this, and will never accept it if you could.

Sorry.

Now my point is (regarding this Thread's topic), is that a christian reprobate, is simply someone who has returned to his former wicked lifestyle and has forgotten what God has accomplished in their life. And by doing this, and staying there, backslidden, their carnal "works of the flesh" deeds they commit over time, have the effect of hardening and desensitizing their conscience, and THAT situation is what creates a christian reprobate.

And in an unbeliever, as you generally find in somone who is past 40 and has been "churched" a lot, and has resisted the HSpirt over time as they heard hundreds of "alter calls".....what happens is, that their ability, their sensitivity within their conscience, can no longer be wooed and touched and softened and "drawn" by the Holy Spirit, and that person has a ticket to hell....its been punched.

Yes, there are gazillions of "death bed" conversions, but in general, those tend to be committed not be people who have resisted getting saved during the last 75 years of hearsing alter calls and yawning.

They yawned at the end, but for those first 30 years, they had sweaty palms and were sweating and resisting getting saved.

Finally they dont have to resist anymore, because they dont FEEL THE PULL, or the tug in their heart.

= seared conscience = reprobate mind.



When you Study the 4th chapter of the book of Romans, then you discover that Paul has confirmed that God does not hold a believer accountable in eternity for their sins, with respect to their sonship position.

Why, because, "He who knew no sin was made to be sin", for YOU.

All of this is discovered when you study that "CUP" that Jesus was talking about just before they laid it on Him with that scourging and that tree and those nails and that time He had to endure it, for YOU.

That is how God on a cross took your sin, then died for you.

THat is the atonement.

its a swap.

God takes your sin and Jesus is the sin bearer, and you get the "righteousness of Christ" as your new position in eternity.(by Faith).

THAT is salvation, applied once and forever, and people who trip over OSAS, dont understand this, and many of them never will.

But, i digress, as we have already discussed self righteous types who are busy tripping over Grace on their way to try to help Jesus's shed blood out with their "works".



Paul teaches that "God does not impute their sins to them"...which means that because they are no longer under the law, He has no right., as this is how He created salvation to exist.

It does not exit within the LAW.

It deletes it by Grace.

"the law came by moses", but GRACE AND TRUTH = came by = Jesus The Christ.

Grave created by the blood that saved you, exists without the law having any RIGHT to judge you ever again as a "sinner", and that is because the blood of Christ has been shed to SOLVE this very issue that all non-believers have with the law.

See, a believer is no longer "UNDER", or held accountable" by the law, as they are UNDER GRACE.

This includes the reprobate christian.

This included me and you, if you are born again.



And you say....."but wait, isn't what you are teaching....... a LICENSE to sin"?

Of course not.

There is no sin for a believer, so there is no license, .....that Point #1.

Point #2 is.... there is a spiritual law in the earth, = "sowing and reaping".

And this situation is what develops in a reprobates life, and also a non reprobates life.

So, if you sin as a non-believer, or if you as a Christian are no longer held accountable in eternity for your "works of the flesh", you do not get a free ride down here, as the law of "sowing and reaping" will harvest pain and suffering and sometimes death, as a consequence of living outside the principles of God's requirements.

So there is your "license".

Drive carefully.

See, This spiritual law remains in effect, and affects both the Christian and the non."


:bible AMEN!:cross Thank you Jesus!:pray

 
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Doesnt look like its gonna change soon as we are dooped by the devil with various doctrines
That allow us not to deal with our sins......

The devil is not interested in the various doctrines and traditions of men. The devils desire is to get you to glory in the Law instead of glorying in the Lord. The devils desire is that you focus on sin, whether it be your own sins to bring to repentance of whether it be the sins of another so that you would stand up in judgement of others paying his role as the accuser. The devil doesn't care about doctrines, he wants you to deal with your sins, he wants you serve sin; he want you to glory in the law. For if he can keep your eyes opened to sin and focused on the things that belong to the flesh, then his deception is true, and he has succeeded in keeping you from looking towards the Lord and the things of the Spirit. In keeping your eyes opened to sin, the devil keeps you blind to the Glory of the Lord.

And as long as we decieve ouselves into hiding our sins behind false doctrines it will continue!!!!!!

There is only one way to get rid of sin ......
Through repentence at the Cross of Christ!!!!!!
We deceive ourselves when we bring our sins to the cross and ask to have them covered, to have them washed away. So then we deny that we are hypocrites, and we deny that we practice idolatry. We don't confess our sins to one another, instead we deny our sins because we believe Jesus has forgiven us. But if we keep trying to rid ourselves of sin, then do we become the servants of sin.

There is no way to get rid of sin, you can only let sin take its proper course, it must bring you to the knowledge of your death before the law. When you continue to bring your repentance before the cross, then you continue to do the works of the law, and in covering your sins in repentance covers the knowledge of your death. You can not pass through the narrow gate except you first take off your covering and pass through door as one who is dead.

Sin is defined by the law, for the scripture declares where there is no law, then their sins are not imputed unto them. As it is written, the sting of sin is death, and the strength of sin is the Law. You can not rid yourself of sin, you can only accept your death before the Law. Accept your human nature as your creator formed you. But with the knowledge of the Law you find in yourself sin, and then you ask the Lord, why have you made me such?

Straight is the gate and narrow the way that leads to LIFE; But for those who are seeking that narrow path and would continue to bring their works of repentance before the cross of Christ, then know this: The Cross of Christ represents the way to your DEATH, but Jesus is no longer on the Cross. You won't find him there: He has Risen, and is inside the city.
 
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...We are under grace.
1 John 3:8: “he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”
Well, you must be pure as the driven snow. I never ever met a truth-filled person before as you claim to be.

According to you, I am a sinner, a person who transgresses from the truth. You are right, sometimes I do run on self-will and not on God's-will. However, I do make a moral inventory of myself on a daily basis and when I am wrong I promptly admit it and make my amends. However, I will not take God's Grace for granted, for me to do so, would stop me from being humble in my prayers and love for God and His Son Jesus Christ.
 
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Well, you must be pure as the driven snow. I never ever met a truth-filled person before as you claim to be.

According to you, I am a sinner, a person who transgresses from the truth. You are right, sometimes I do run on self-will and not on God's-will. However, I do make a moral inventory of myself on a daily basis and when I am wrong I promptly admit it and make my amends. However, I will not take God's Grace for granted, for me to do so, would stop me from being humble in my prayers and love for God and His Son Jesus Christ.
Don't make it personal. That's not proper. I'm referring to scripture and what it says. Thank you.
It's unfortunate you chose not to read the sharing of Kidron's writing just above so as to understand grace and sinlessness of the saints in Christ. It's very unfortunate that that seems to be the case in many places where it is preferred to pursue conflict rather than read what is offered to sooth that away.
 
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Don't make it personal. That's not proper. I'm referring to scripture and what it says. Thank you.
It's unfortunate you chose not to read the sharing of Kidron's writing just above so as to understand grace and sinlessness of the saints in Christ. It's very unfortunate that that seems to be the case in many places where it is preferred to pursue conflict rather than read what is offered to sooth that away.
I read what Kidron wrote as you referred me to do. Yet I see it differently.
I know my failings and they humble me. For me to be sorry and ask for forgiveness is a result of acknowledging my truth as God and Christ see me. I am always blessed whenever I am humble. You see, to be unconditionally humble is both unconditionally loving and faithful to Truth. For me, there is no other way without compromising my love for Truth.
 
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I read what Kidron wrote as you referred me to do. Yet I see it differently.
That's unfortunate because everything there is Biblical. Whereas insisting the redeemed Christian remains a sinner is not.
I said this in another posting here.
When we're redeemed in Christ we're told God remembers our sins no more. The old, (the sinner self) has passed away and the new , reborn in Christ, has arrived.
If those who teach after all that the redeemed in Christ remain as sinners sinning, they're saying redemption had no effect. And that individual redeemed person is merely moving on in life giving God more sins to remember no more. That would make his sons death on the cross in vein. And it wasn't. The teaching is false.

I know my failings and they humble me. For me to be sorry and ask for forgiveness is a result of acknowledging my truth as God and Christ see me. I am always blessed whenever I am humble. You see, to be unconditionally humble is both unconditionally loving and faithful to Truth. For me, there is no other way without compromising my love for Truth.
Which could be a remark inferred to say others don't love truth.
I respect someone's choice in living faith as they see it. I don't think it fair, righteous, nor the substance of the humble heart, to imply not agreeing with someone's faith means that person is compromising truth. And really, when God's grace washed the sinner clean, anything that attempts to insist that newborn creation in Christ is still a sinner, isn't truth. In fact, it is mightily illogical in its falsehood.
 
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...Which could be a remark inferred to say others don't love truth...
They are your implications. It depends if what you see as true is true.
...I respect someone's choice in living faith as they see it. I don't think it fair, righteous, nor the substance of the humble heart, to imply not agreeing with someone's faith means that person is compromising truth. And really, when God's grace washed the sinner clean, anything that attempts to insist that newborn creation in Christ is still a sinner, isn't truth. In fact, it is mightily illogical in its falsehood.
Wow, all this just because I said ...
I read what Kidron wrote as you referred me to do. Yet I see it differently...
...And really, when God's grace washed the sinner clean, anything that attempts to insist that newborn creation in Christ is still a sinner, isn't truth. In fact, it is mightily illogical in its falsehood.
The new creation in Christ is not a sinner, but there is still a person of old nature which is still a sinner. Just like turning on a light in darkness, the eyes take a while to adjust to the brightness. But you seem to think there is no transition, but an instant change from a sinner to Christ. To me, that is very black and white thinking, and to categorize others in the same way shows no mercy.

You can have it. I don't want no part of a heartless conviction.
Bye.
 
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