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Bible Study Sons Of God, Giants & The New World Order - Pt 1

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Good Morning those who are hungry for a deeper understanding of.... Sons Of God, Giants & The New World Order - Pt 1

This is for the folk who are serious about the Truth of Genesis Chapters of 1 to 6. This is a serious intellectual study, not for beginners, or those who are not studying the scriptures daily. Please start your study at.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcp49JEcOpQ
 
Sons of God is used many times in scripture to refer to men (not angels) such as Genesis 5:1, 2 and Luke 3:38 calling Adam the son of God. Adam was the first son followed by Seth and then his son Enos and the family began to call on God, Genesis 4:26. These are the first sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6. Sons of God have always been followers, believers and worshippers of God. Man was created in the image of God in His likeness for the purpose of having dominion over the earth and to multiply the earth as male and female created he them, Genesis 1:26-28. Nowhere does it say that angels were involved with multiplying or having any dominion over the earth as Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25 makes it clear that angels do not marry nor are given in marriage so in fact they also can not procreate.

Sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 can not be angels in these verses especially when Satan who is an angel just as the other fallen angels that were cast out of Gods heaven and are in everlasting chains (not literal chains) under darkness unto the judgment of the great day, Jude 1:6, but Satan has not yet been thrown out of heaven and does travel between earth and heaven accusing the brethren before the Lord. Under darkness means hid from the face of God as never able to approach Him as they were cast down to earth and have no more access to Gods heavenly realm. Read Hebrews 1:5-8; Psalms 104:4, God never called any of His angel’s sons. Jesus is Gods only begotten son and the angels were ministering spirits. We who believe and are followers of God are brothers and sisters with Christ and sons and daughters of God. Satan believes in God, but is not a follower or worshiper of Him. The phrase sons of God is used four times in the OT and seven times in the New Testament. Every time sons of God is used it describes followers, believers and worshipers of God. (Genesis 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; Job 38:7; Hosea 1:10; John 1:12; Romans 8:14, 8:19 Gal 4:6; I John 3:12)

Those sons of God in Job 1:6; 2:1 that presented themselves before the Lord are followers of God just as Moses followed and worshipped God and was called of God to present himself before Him on mount Sinai, Exodus 34:2. Read Job 1:6 again. It says Satan came also among them when they went to present themselves before the Lord. This means Satan was there like he is with all of Gods children to try and buffet them. If you go back to vs. 5 you read that it was Job who sent his sons (sons of God) to go and be in the presence of the Lord that God would sanctify them. Satan, being a spirit that Job's sons could not see came amongt them as a buffer trying to interfere with God sanctifying them. When God asked Satan where he came from he said from going to and fro in the earth and from walking up and down in it.

If you break down Genesis 6:1-8 You can see that those sons of God were not angels as angels are spirit and can not procreate nor are given in marriage, Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25. 1Corinthians 15:39, 40 states that men are men, animals are animals, fish are fish and angels are angels. There is no scripture which would even remotely lead us to believe angels had sex with women or that Giants were born of them.

It was men who began to multiply on earth, Godly and ungodly men (not angels) and daughters were born unto them. The sons of God, Godly line of Seth, took them wives of the daughters of the ungodly line of Cain and choose wives from them. These daughters were more likely ungodly women being from the line of Cain and not of Seth. This is why God said my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh.
 
Genesis 6:4 speaks of giants being in the land, but never mentions that they took them wives of the daughters of men, buy says that when the sons of God (Godly line of Seth) came unto the daughters of men (Cain’s ungodly line) they bare children to them. These same children (from the line of Cain) became mighty men (giants) which were of old (before the flood) and men of renown in the sense that they were the ungodly princes, the conquerors, the heroes of those days and also after the flood being born from the line of Ham through his son Canaan, Genesis 9:20-27.

They were called giants in the sense that they were very tall men in stature such as Og in Joshua 12:4 Goliath was a Philistine of great stature (giant) being a descendant of the Anakim, 2 Samuel 21:15-22 Numbers 13:3-33 the spies were sent out and came back with a report which included them seeing the sons of Anak who were Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai which come from giants as the spies looked like grasshoppers compared to the size of these men. Anakim are a race of giants descended from Anak. They dwelt in the south of the land of Canaan, near Hebron, Josh. 15:13. According to Genesis 14:5-6 the Rephaims who were giants in whom Og, the King of Bashan, was one of the last survivors of the Rephaim inhabited the region afterwards known as Edom and Moab in the days of Abraham.

We are all sons of God and daughters of God through that of the Spirit of adoption where by we cry Abba Father, Romans 8:15. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy, Job 38:7. Morning stars in scripture are usually angels except where it depicts that of the brightness of Christ as in Rev 22:16 Jesus is called the bright morning star as in reference to his brightness as in an actual morning star. If you notice in Job 38:7 morning stars (angels) are spoken separate from the sons of God (men). If they were not separate and both mean angels then why did God use both phrases? In Job chapter 38 God was asking Job certain questions as He demanded answers from Job. Everything that God was asking him was before Jobs time when the angels (morning stars) sang praises to the Lord in heaven just as men worship the Lord on earth with shouts of joy from the beginning when men called on God, Genesis 4:6.

 
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

The NWO = economic, political and religious power through that of the workings of the prince of the power of the air

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins: 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
 
All right, now that you have given us an incorect theisis on your preconceptions. You don't have to continue with this thread. It's obvious you're in a different closed mind to the truth that I'm trying to instruct as well as Hebrew Teacher Brad Scott who knows a lot more than you and I and many others do. Brad is a teacher of the Greek language, as well as the Hebrew language. He knows what he's talking about.
 
All right, now that you have given us an incorect theisis on your preconceptions. You don't have to continue with this thread. It's obvious you're in a different closed mind to the truth that I'm trying to instruct as well as Hebrew Teacher Brad Scott who knows a lot more than you and I and many others do. Brad is a teacher of the Greek language, as well as the Hebrew language. He knows what he's talking about.

Chopper this is a side of you I have never seen before in that of being rude and this breaks my heart.
First I did not watch the video as you know I am on dial up and can not open them so I gave what I have studied on this topic. This is not a thesis, but what I have studied in the full context of scripture as to what has already been written and not what man tries to translate them to say what they want. I thought we could discuss as mature adults, but I was wrong so I will stay away from your postings as to not ruffle your feathers. God bless you my brother.
 
Chopper this is a side of you I have never seen before in that of being rude and this breaks my heart.
First I did not watch the video as you know I am on dial up and can not open them so I gave what I have studied on this topic. This is not a thesis, but what I have studied in the full context of scripture as to what has already been written and not what man tries to translate them to say what they want. I thought we could discuss as mature adults, but I was wrong so I will stay away from your postings as to not ruffle your feathers. God bless you my brother.

You know what ruffle's my feathers? Someone who immediately takes an opposite position to what I present without even viewing the video. The fact that you can't view video's, you should not have replied. that is an insult to my desire to impart important teachings.
 
You know what ruffle's my feathers? Someone who immediately takes an opposite position to what I present without even viewing the video. The fact that you can't view video's, you should not have replied. that is an insult to my desire to impart important teachings.

I thought my teaching was important to the topic, but will never reply to anymore of your videos and I apologize for rocking the boat. God bless.
 
I like Brad Scott, and I've benefitted from listening to him! Chuck Missler has some interesting comments on the "Sethite View"


I appreciate you're sending me Brother Missler's video. He takes a stand on these verses because like others in that camp that refuse the book of Enoch as being part of the Canon of Scripture. The book of Enoch is a vital book to understand why the events happened prior to the flood.

Revelation 22:18 "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." This goes for the book of Enoch too.
 
I appreciate you're sending me Brother Missler's video. He takes a stand on these verses because like others in that camp that refuse the book of Enoch as being part of the Canon of Scripture. The book of Enoch is a vital book to understand why the events happened prior to the flood.

Revelation 22:18 "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." This goes for the book of Enoch too.

What are your feelings on the Book of Enoch? I must admit I'm undecided! Have you come across anything that would convince you of the truthfulness of it?
 
I'll let Chopper elucidate his point further, but I have found the book of Enoch to contain different sections. As well as to come from different sources; I wish I could furnish a link to the best source I found but it was put together by username SolaScriptura on CF.com, and it was in the URL string last I saw.

I think it is the first of 3 sections that is the most useful to us? This part addresses the flood of Noah plus events generations before. I find it not to contradict the accepted 66 books of Cannon, and point out at least some ancient Churches do hold Enoch to be Canon.

I find Enoch fascinating but am not ready to be dogmatic about it. I don't think it contains anything Salvific, but it certainly could impart knowledge that reduces our suffering!

Also, many people speculate about what they might say or do in heaven. One of my favorite things will be to talk to Enoch! I think he's a very cool guy. What was his perspective during Christ's harrowing of hell? Oh man ...
 
Sons of God is used many times in scripture to refer to men (not angels) such as Genesis 5:1, 2 and Luke 3:38 calling Adam the son of God. Adam was the first son followed by Seth and then his son Enos and the family began to call on God, Genesis 4:26. These are the first sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6. Sons of God have always been followers, believers and worshippers of God. Man was created in the image of God in His likeness for the purpose of having dominion over the earth and to multiply the earth as male and female created he them, Genesis 1:26-28. Nowhere does it say that angels were involved with multiplying or having any dominion over the earth as Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25 makes it clear that angels do not marry nor are given in marriage so in fact they also can not procreate.

Sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 can not be angels in these verses especially when Satan who is an angel just as the other fallen angels that were cast out of Gods heaven and are in everlasting chains (not literal chains) under darkness unto the judgment of the great day, Jude 1:6, but Satan has not yet been thrown out of heaven and does travel between earth and heaven accusing the brethren before the Lord. Under darkness means hid from the face of God as never able to approach Him as they were cast down to earth and have no more access to Gods heavenly realm. Read Hebrews 1:5-8; Psalms 104:4, God never called any of His angel’s sons. Jesus is Gods only begotten son and the angels were ministering spirits. We who believe and are followers of God are brothers and sisters with Christ and sons and daughters of God. Satan believes in God, but is not a follower or worshiper of Him. The phrase sons of God is used four times in the OT and seven times in the New Testament. Every time sons of God is used it describes followers, believers and worshipers of God. (Genesis 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; Job 38:7; Hosea 1:10; John 1:12; Romans 8:14, 8:19 Gal 4:6; I John 3:12)

Those sons of God in Job 1:6; 2:1 that presented themselves before the Lord are followers of God just as Moses followed and worshipped God and was called of God to present himself before Him on mount Sinai, Exodus 34:2. Read Job 1:6 again. It says Satan came also among them when they went to present themselves before the Lord. This means Satan was there like he is with all of Gods children to try and buffet them. If you go back to vs. 5 you read that it was Job who sent his sons (sons of God) to go and be in the presence of the Lord that God would sanctify them. Satan, being a spirit that Job's sons could not see came amongt them as a buffer trying to interfere with God sanctifying them. When God asked Satan where he came from he said from going to and fro in the earth and from walking up and down in it.

If you break down Genesis 6:1-8 You can see that those sons of God were not angels as angels are spirit and can not procreate nor are given in marriage, Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25. 1Corinthians 15:39, 40 states that men are men, animals are animals, fish are fish and angels are angels. There is no scripture which would even remotely lead us to believe angels had sex with women or that Giants were born of them.

It was men who began to multiply on earth, Godly and ungodly men (not angels) and daughters were born unto them. The sons of God, Godly line of Seth, took them wives of the daughters of the ungodly line of Cain and choose wives from them. These daughters were more likely ungodly women being from the line of Cain and not of Seth. This is why God said my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh.

"There is no Scripture that would even remotely lead us to believe Angels had sex with women or that giants were born of them."

Actually there is, and a plain reading of the text easily leads many to the question. Which seems to be the point of this thread.

I hope we can all have a good discussion of the topic, centered on the video. I watched most of the first one of the series and find him difficult to listen to, which is unusual for me. I'm not sure why. His position agrees with user For His Glory, in that he says giants were not born of women mating with angels. (I think; or do I have that wrong?)

Anyway I hope we all recognize that Chopper has a good grasp on Scripture, so if he's saying a couple teachers are good I'll see if I can get something worthwhile from it ...
 
"There is no Scripture that would even remotely lead us to believe Angels had sex with women or that giants were born of them."

Actually there is, and a plain reading of the text easily leads many to the question. Which seems to be the point of this thread.

I hope we can all have a good discussion of the topic, centered on the video. I watched most of the first one of the series and find him difficult to listen to, which is unusual for me. I'm not sure why. His position agrees with user For His Glory, in that he says giants were not born of women mating with angels. (I think; or do I have that wrong?)

Anyway I hope we all recognize that Chopper has a good grasp on Scripture, so if he's saying a couple teachers are good I'll see if I can get something worthwhile from it ...

Yeah you misunderstood that Brother. Chuck Missler thoroughly dispelled the sethite view in his video. No men were referred to as sons of God in the entire old testament. And if the Sethites were so Godly, then why did they perish in the flood? And the separation did not happen until Genesis 11, after the flood. If the sons of God were men in chapter 6, then where are the daughters of God? The Daughters of Elohim?

The ancient church held that Angel view. It wasn't until the 5th century that that Sethite view was even created. I too, like the Book of Enoch and personally, consider it canon. That book does not contradict our modern scripture, it just provides more details to the bible stories back then. The Nephilim tried to hire Enoch as their defense attorney to petition God to have mercy on them! It didn't work.
 
Yeah you misunderstood that Brother. Chuck Missler thoroughly dispelled the sethite view in his video. No men were referred to as sons of God in the entire old testament.
Exo 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges [Elohim]; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. (ESV)

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. (ESV)

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (ESV)

So, Jesus tells the Jews that it is written in their law that they are called gods, by God. Psalm 82:6 not only has God saying that he has previously referred to the corrupt leaders as gods but here also as "children of the most high". Where does that previous reference come from? At a minimum, it comes from Ex. 21:6, which refers to human judges as Elohim.

If God refers to at least some people in the OT as gods and "children of the most high", then certainly it cannot be said that "no men were referred to as sons of God in the entire" OT.
 
Exo 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges [Elohim]; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. (ESV)

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. (ESV)

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (ESV)

So, Jesus tells the Jews that it is written in their law that they are called gods, by God. Psalm 82:6 not only has God saying that he has previously referred to the corrupt leaders as gods but here also as "children of the most high". Where does that previous reference come from? At a minimum, it comes from Ex. 21:6, which refers to human judges as Elohim.

If God refers to at least some people in the OT as gods and "children of the most high", then certainly it cannot be said that "no men were referred to as sons of God in the entire" OT.

You are not debating me in this thread. This isn't my thread. You have come into this unbelieving and many preconceptions and...pass...for that reason. Believe if you want to, don't if you don't want to...
 
You are not debating me in this thread. This isn't my thread. You have come into this unbelieving and many preconceptions and...pass...for that reason. Believe if you want to, don't if you don't want to...
“Unbelieving and many preconceptions”. Lol! I’m not debating anyone, just pointing out what Scripture says in what is the Bible Study forum.
 
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