Sorry Tomi, you lost me

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  1. Milk-Drops

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    No, that isn't what constitutes a person. The ability to have the choice hinges on personhood.
     
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    Would you consider a miscarriage man slaughter? If not why?
     
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    To a womam how has had a miscarriage that is a very ugly statement.
    To even ask why is insulting...
     
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    When one refuses to grasp the difference between a choice to kill a child and natural death is there any hope?
     
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    The dividing line between baby, newborn baby, and unborn fetus is usually just the mother's belly around the baby, and the word "fetus." Babies don't hold any more choice to be included into personhood. But when a baby dies it's a horrible tragedy. It should be the same when an unborn child dies. My wife and I have had a miscarriage. It was in the young weeks of the child, but my wife knows the date, and is saddened by it's aneversery. When a person hears of a miscarriage they share the sorrow with the person who lost their child.

    The worse part is that we redefine and hide behind that definition. Fetus is only a term for abortions. For everyone else it's a baby. To feel their kicks, to sing and talk to. To do everything to help them grow while they are part of the mother's womb.

    The idea of personhood being an issue us a fraud and a lie. Being a woman's choice is a better argument then if the is baby a person. At least that's an honest argument and not hiding behind an excuse. ..... That said the choice aspect isn't with much merit. It's simular to when a person does wrong and others give them the line that it's their choice, their life, and their Consquences. It holds a little merit in my opinion because people make bad decisions when their are weak or feel like they are in a desperate situation.
     
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    My wife had a misscarriage.he would be in his late 30s today.
     
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    I'm sorry to hear.
     
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    I do when the miscarriage is intentionally induced.
     
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    Mine 51
     
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    I'm not trying to insult anyone. I was just trying to show see of the legal rigamarole we get into when we start analyzing personhood.
     
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    I know you were not meaning to insult... it just hit a soft spot

    some may get into rigamarole some dont..my baby was only a 6-8 weeks old .. It died of natural causes .. no one killed it .
    That child was my baby from the time i knew s/he was there..
    Just as gender is now confusing so is general personhood?
    Only in the minds of those who want to muddy the waters
     
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    He wasn't my son ,but thanks.
     
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    immediately at conception
     
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    The comatose cannot make choices. Nor can you when you're sleeping. For that matter, a newborn cannot make a choice. They react only to stimuli. Hungry pains, gotta poop, oh boy I'm tired.
     
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    Or give consent legally if less then sober for sex, or mentally incompetent
     
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    Good point. So a black out from being drunk and that person is no longer a person under the definition.
     
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