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The odd thing is that literalists want some of the Bible to be literal, but not all of it.

Psalm 148: 9 Praise him, all you mountains and hills.

One would expect literalists to be out there, looking for vocal cords in mountains.
Hello calvin here.
My understanding of the Psalm passage you offered is that the beauty and majesty of those trees that the Lord created do sing His praises.
You can not see this?
 
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He wanted to drive all of us nuts .. :) Give us something to debate over.... Maybe he wanted us to use the brains He gave us :shrug

I believe in His Resurrection as written why not the Beginning?
 
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It addresses the logical error. You're expecting the Bible to be a science book.



Which is where DNA comes from, according to God. The fact that He doesn't tell you the details as to how life began is not important. That's not what the Bible is for, and you'll miss the real message if you try to make it that way.

The odd thing is that literalists want some of the Bible to be literal, but not all of it.

Psalm 148: 9 Praise him, all you mountains and hills.

One would expect literalists to be out there, looking for vocal cords in mountains.

Instead of resenting the way God did things, just let it be His way.
Barbarian, once again you're shown you don't really get it.
Only the evolutionism-minded use the line...."You're expecting the Bible to be a science book". Pretty much a straw man argument.
The description of the creation event completely rules out evolutionism.

So, DNA comes from the dust...not bad, I see where your trying to go. But, you can't take the DNA = dust portion literally and then throw away rib = Eve mentioned a few verses later.
 

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The only test a Godly scientist should employ is that if the conclusion they have come to is not backed by scripture it must be dismissed as false. Of course many people will have a problem with that idea, but that is really the only true test anything could be measured by in order to hold to the full Counsel of God.
 
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My understanding of the Psalm passage you offered is that the beauty and majesty of those trees that the Lord created do sing His praises.
You can not see this?
Ah, so it's not literal singing, it's figurative. Got it. Now let's look at the same sort of thing in Genesis...
 
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The only test a Godly scientist should employ is that if the conclusion they have come to is not backed by scripture it must be dismissed as false.
If science and scripture seem to be at odds, then you have misunderstood one or both of them. And either error is equally likely. It is a mistake to assume that one's opinion of scripture is perfectly accurate and cannot be wrong.
 
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Ah, so it's not literal singing, it's figurative. Got it. Now let's look at the same sort of thing in Genesis...
Hello calvin here.
With respect, you seem to think only in human terms. If you had the ability to hear as the Lord hears perhaps you would understand that He has a connection with all of His creation that we are mostly in ignorance of.
Have you considered that though He hears us, He likely does not hear the mechanical vibrations in the air caused by our vocal chords, but he knows the deepest guarded thoughts we think.
We should not try to reduce God to the level of man by thinking He has our limitations.
Consider:Job 38:41 Who provides for the raven its prey, when its young ones cry to God for help, and wander about for lack of food? Esv
Mat 21:19 And seeing a fig tree by the wayside, he went to it and found nothing on it but only leaves. And he said to it, “May no fruit ever come from you again!” And the fig tree withered at once.Esv
 

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If science and scripture seem to be at odds, then you have misunderstood one or both of them. And either error is equally likely. It is a mistake to assume that one's opinion of scripture is perfectly accurate and cannot be wrong.
When it comes down to taking one or the other I will always side with scripture. And it is a Christian's duty to garner a comprehensive understanding of scripture and not just "lean on our own understanding." Allow iron to sharpen iron, and when that happens you can be more confident in your faith in the Truth of the bible, and not the ever changing sands that is scientific discovery.
 
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Ah, so it's not literal singing, it's figurative. Got it. Now let's look at the same sort of thing in Genesis...
What makes you think it's figurative? Even a carnal point of view would allow for the possibility of the singing might even be at a frequency that human ears can not hear, like dogs can hear things humans cant. Besides, that's not what the man said, so quit twisting his words.

If science and scripture seem to be at odds, then you have misunderstood one or both of them. And either error is equally likely. It is a mistake to assume that one's opinion of scripture is perfectly accurate and cannot be wrong.
I can agree with this, but have a question...how come I've never seen you express the possibility that you yourself could be wrong about something?
 
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If science and scripture seem to be at odds, then you have misunderstood one or both of them.
Bible: Eve was created from Adams rib.
Evolutionism: Eve was the product of a lesser primate.

Here science and scripture seem to be at odds.
 
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Maybe some people believe the fall means Adam tripped over a rock or something; I mean he was walking around without shoes.....
I'm sure there are several people who post here will find the need o argue over the word "fall" rather than addressing the real issue.
 
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Hello calvin here.
With respect, you seem to think only in human terms.
I'm pointing out that literalism is the result of only thinking in human terms.

We should not try to reduce God to the level of man by thinking He has our limitations.
 
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Maybe some people believe the fall means Adam tripped over a rock or something; I mean he was walking around without shoes.....
That would be taking Biblical literalism to a new extreme. "Fall" isn't meant to be taken literally just as the rib isn't meant to be taken literally.

To focus on such things is to miss the point God is making in Genesis.
 
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Bible: Eve was created from Adams rib.
Evolutionism: Eve was the product of a lesser primate.

Here science and scripture seem to be at odds.
When science and scripture appear to one to conflict, it is the result of misunderstanding one or both of them. And either error is equally likely.

Instead of adding new doctrines to make it harder for unbelievers to come to him, focus on the message. It's not about body parts or how long He took to get creation to this point. Let Him be God, and listen to what He has to say to you.
 
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I'm pointing out that literalism is the result of only thinking in human terms.
Well if you were wanting to convey information to humans, what would you do? Would you send them an E-mail encrypted and full of binary trinary arithmatic?
We should not try to reduce God to the level of man by thinking He has our limitations.
Err ahhh I think you might have borrowed that wisdom from my post #89
I'm truly gratified that you see the worth of my thinking and are adopting it as your own. There is hope yet:crossed
 
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When science and scripture appear to one to conflict, it is the result of misunderstanding one or both of them. And either error is equally likely.

Instead of adding new doctrines to make it harder for unbelievers to come to him, focus on the message. It's not about body parts or how long He took to get creation to this point. Let Him be God, and listen to what He has to say to you.
Yes Barbarian....I added all kinds of stuff to the Bible when I saw Eve was formed from Adams rib.
 
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