The Animal Homosexuality Myth

[GojuBrian]

Homosexuality is wrong because God says so,his word tells us that, and even more our conscious tells us so.

You can't use science to debate conscious, the know of right and wrong,good and evil.

Hard to debate with an atheist or evolutionist. Because if either of those are true,then nothing is evil.

 

[jasoncran]

Obviously you believe the evolution theory as I don't , Funny you mention Japan as I some things about that country through the martial arts. 50 yrs ago left handed people were considered weak, don't know about today. When women speak they must say the whole word were as men speak with shorten sentences once they greet and know the person, and counting ichi(ich),women say the whole thing men don't and so on. Japan no doubt has a large gay population, but i find that surprising as the country never apologized to China or Korea. Pride is one the reasons. I do respect the Japenese. Last i heard they still are very patriarchical society.

BTW are you gay? I'm curious and I don't mean to offend as you have read my posts on homosexuality. Or do you believes in their rights. If homosexuality is legit what about three somes as it can be said no body get hurts? You say that homosexuality is relative safe why can't male homosexuals give blood or their hetero partners? This is true last year i tried to give blood and I never had any std's and I'm hiv nagative. This is per the FDA not any religous organazation. BTW did you read/visit any links?
No gay male give blood for the rest of his live if he was active since 1977, this includes oral sex also.

The FDA says being a gay male isn't totally safe. I agree if the date shows its. I'm not saying that to be homophobic or with hatred just repeated my expericence with a local blood bank. Its just a risky lifestyle and condems dont stop HIV. This fact should be made known for public safety not for hatred sake, but for health reasons.

If the data needs to be reexamined periodically so be it. I fall into this category even though i repented of that lifestyle, and i'm clean.

 

[jasoncran]

Goju Brian good post i was thinking that. I believe like i think you do that evolution/athiesm is a world view not actual science. BTW i'm a shodan in aikido, and shotokan. I'd love to chit-chat the martial arts from a christian view with you one day. You may have notices now my martial arts background.

 

[Evointrinsic]

Homosexuality is wrong because God says so,his word tells us that, and even more our conscious tells us so.

You can't use science to debate conscious, the know of right and wrong,good and evil.

Hard to debate with an atheist or evolutionist. Because if either of those are true,then nothing is evil.

Yes, but there are hundreds of thousands of gods out there, and some of them do indeed say that Homosexuality is a positive thing. You would have to prove Yahweh is the correct god and that he exists before the world and medical fields can take his words as truth. not meaning to offend, and i dont want to get into the discussion of the existence of any god on this topic, im just showing that it isnt completely relevant in the medical or science fields.

Technically yes we can use science to debate consciousness, for if Evolution is true, then Biology (a form of science) is what made our consciousness the way it is.

Atheism is true by the way I am living proof. and i do have morality, there for good, bad and evil can exist even in an Atheists mind

Jasoncran
You are correct, i do believe in the Scientific Theory of Evolution. I believe the belief i was talking about is located in a few Japanese villages, not in the country as a whole I can look it up again if you need me to.

No, I am not gay, and dont worry its not an offense to me. I just believe in equality (in most incidences). I am actually not sure how three-sums relate to homosexuality at all, unless your talking about Bisexuality, in which case, a three-sum doesn't necessarily mean that at least one person is bisexual. There are homosexuals out there that are abstinent and even celibate after all.

But ill answer your questions:
If homosexuality is legit what about three somes as it can be said no body get hurts?
Well yes, that's obvious that someone is able to get hurt. multiple partners increases the risk of STD's. Of course it's not always a factor that a person that had engaged in a three-sum will always get an STD, same with Anal sex. Excuse what I am about to say, but i can vouch for both.

You say that homosexuality is relative safe why can't male homosexuals give blood or their hetero partners?
Yes i have heard of the FDA's homophobia. It is merely based on the assumption that all homosexual and bisexual men are 'high risk' for HIV. and that the policy seems to reflect homophobic prejudices, not medical facts.

This is true last year i tried to give blood and I never had any std's and I'm hiv nagative.
Are you gay? I'm not sure what your point is if you arent. (Im sorry if that offended you).

The FDA says being a gay male isn't totally safe.
No, the FDA does not state that being a gay male is not safe. They are saying that Anal sex isnt 100% safe.

Its just a risky lifestyle and condems dont stop HIV.
Yes... condoms to prevent the spread of HIV. Unfortunately, it the condom breaks or has a slit then it is possible to contract HIV. If you wear a condom, and you have sexual engagement with a person who is HIV positive, and the condom does not break or is not broken (a cut for example) and is not faulty in any way or doesnt somehow slip off, you will not contract HIV.

I believe like i think you do that evolution/athiesm is a world view not actual science.
No, i do not believe that Atheism is a world view at all. Neither do i believe that evolution is a world view as people clearly show they do not accept both. However the Scientific Theory of Evolution is clearly science.

The National Academy of Science has recently called Evolution the "Unifying theory of biology". This is because it unites virtual every independent discipline in biology so that scientific advances made in one can be universally applied to all others. Now this has lead to an explosion of research and which is why Evolution is truly at the core of Biology. Biology being a really really big thing in science.

Evolution relates to:
Embryology (a form of science)
Ecology (a form of science)
Genetics (a form of science)
Medicine (a form of science)
Histology (a form of science)
Paleontology (a form of science)
Immunology (a form of science)
Cellular Biology (a form of science)
Molecular Biology (a form of science)
Anthropology (a form of science)
Anatomy (a form of science)

And lastly, the Evolution theory is a scientific theory. There for being Science and why biologists (scientists) and many other scientists follow and study forms of science and can apply it to and from Evolution.

 

[JoJo]

Let's see, animals also eat their own young, eat their own waste, eat their own vomit, and many species are cannibalistic.

Yep, I think we should be measured in the same fashion.

Armor of God, somehow I missed this post above and went on to post something similar. Sorry about that!

 

[jasoncran]

No i'm no longer gay its possible for change, I was about thirteen yrs ago see the thread about Romans 1: 32 for my story. The data is there for the FDA. IMHO why would the FDA limit donors without research ? BLood donors are badly needed.IMHO i don't see a phobia there. The must be reason outside,that phobia the CDC, and maybe WHO agrees. I used to give blood until it the definition of oral sex was included with the rest of the sex questions on the preescreenings. I would like to give again, but unless the fda changes, perhaps a new study in is order. Hopefully one that isn't biased just looking at data with no influence of the gay loby, or pc, and the christian influence.

No i'm not against science but you must admit that people have biases, and flaws. IMHO even in this country a scientific oponion can be bought. If judges can why not a scientist. I try to find instances to post.

 

[GojuBrian]

Yes, but there are hundreds of thousands of gods out there, and some of them do indeed say that Homosexuality is a positive thing. You would have to prove Yahweh is the correct god and that he exists before the world and medical fields can take his words as truth.

I HAVE to prove it huh? Now I have to prove that God exists on a christian forum????

Have you read the Bible?

not meaning to offend, and i dont want to get into the discussion of the existence of any god on this topic, im just showing that it isnt completely relevant in the medical or science fields.

I am offended,really. I left other boards because I was tired of dealing with people with this mindset. I deal with this mindset in my everyday life. I joined a CHRISTIANFORUM so I could get away from this mindset. You want me to prove it, theen you don't want to get into that discussion???
Go to the other forums on this site if you want to continue down this road.I don't believe general talk is the place for atheists on a christian forum, I could be wrong though.

If evil exists,then athesim isn't true.

 

[Evointrinsic]

I HAVE to prove it huh? Now I have to prove that God exists on a christian forum????

Have you read the Bible?

not meaning to offend, and i dont want to get into the discussion of the existence of any god on this topic, im just showing that it isnt completely relevant in the medical or science fields.

I am offended,really. I left other boards because I was tired of dealing with people with this mindset. I deal with this mindset in my everyday life. I joined a CHRISTIANFORUM so I could get away from this mindset. You want me to prove it, theen you don't want to get into that discussion???
Go to the other forums on this site if you want to continue down this road.I don't believe general talk is the place for atheists on a christian forum, I could be wrong though.

If evil exists,then athesim isn't true.

Yes i have read the bible multiple times (and am currently reading the Torah and the Qur'an as well as the Mormon Bible). I'm not saying that your god isnt real, im just saying that a god wont be replacing medical science unless one is undoubtedly proven. I have nothing against god or gods or deities or religions for that matter. I'm not asking you to prove anything...

And i am not sure what your trying to get at in your last sentence.

 

[GojuBrian]

Here's what I'm getting at.

1 - This is a Christian site, therefore, any attempt to put down Christianity and the basic tenets of our Faith will be considered a hostile act.

We consider Paul's writings to be part of the inspired Word of God. This is a Christian forum and any posting(s) that is intended to purpously distort Paul's writings will not be tolerated.

Active promotion of sinful behavior will not be permitted. This includes promotion of homosexual behavior. Individual restrictions may apply on a Forum to Forum basis. Please check the announcements and stickeys at the top of each Forum.

I believe you are promoting homosexuality, a recognized sin in the christian faith.

- No active promotion of other Faiths is allowed

I believe you are promoting evolution and atheism. These are "other faiths" imo.

You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than Biblical and historical Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Discussing these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This includes Universal Reconciliation and Universal Salvation. This is a Christian Forum as the name suggests

Good day sir.

 

[Evointrinsic]

1 - This is a Christian site, therefore, any attempt to put down Christianity and the basic tenets of our Faith will be considered a hostile act.

Im not putting down Christianity or any of its beliefs, I am stating the reasoning behind why it isnt considered medical science. Explanations are not attacks.

We consider Paul's writings to be part of the inspired Word of God. This is a Christian forum and any posting(s) that is intended to purpously distort Paul's writings will not be tolerated.

None of Paul's writings have been distorted...

Active promotion of sinful behavior will not be permitted. This includes promotion of homosexual behavior. Individual restrictions may apply on a Forum to Forum basis. Please check the announcements and stickeys at the top of each Forum.

I am obviously not promoting Homosexuality, one again, your confusing this with explanations.

- No active promotion of other Faiths is allowed

Atheism is not a faith as it has nothing to believe in. The literal term means to not believe in a diety, I am in no way trying to unconvert someone or anything else similar. I have explained how Evolution works, that is it, i am neither forcing it onto someone or saying its better then something else. I saw someone miss-quote evolution and missunderstand it, there for i gave them the details. Most people who believe in Evolution are Theists. many of which are Christians themselves. 3 popes actually agree with the Evolution theory and welcome it.

You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than Biblical and historical Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Discussing these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This includes Universal Reconciliation and Universal Salvation. This is a Christian Forum as the name suggests

I have never posted anything that promotes anything.

Nice try. but i suggest you be the more open minded one when it comes to others beliefs as I came here to learn, not insult.

 

[Vic C.]

This thread has run it's course. We are getting way off topic AND we are entering into gray areas concerning our TOS.

Evointrinsic, you are welcome to request permission to join the "Christianity and Science" Forum if you wish to continue in this line of 'discussion'.