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What does the Bible say about Muslims/Islam?
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His_nee (Jeff)
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1 Samuel 8:
6 When the elders said, “Give us [Appoint; L Now, set for us] a king(president) to ·rule over [judge] us,” ·Samuel was not pleased [L it was evil/wrong in the eyes of Samuel]. So he prayed to the Lord, 7 and the Lord told Samuel, “Listen to ·whatever [L the voice of] the people [L regarding what they] say to you. They have not rejected you. They have rejected me from being their king. 8 They are doing as they have always done. When I ·took them out of [brought them up from] Egypt, they ·left [abandoned; deserted; forsook] me and ·served [followed] other gods. They are doing the same to you. 9 Now ·listen to the people [listen to their voice; do as they ask], but [L solemnly] warn them ·what the king who rules over them will do [about the way/manner/custom in which he will rule/reign over them].”
10 So Samuel told those who had asked him for a king ·what [everything; L all the words] the Lord had said. 11 Samuel said, “If you have a king ·ruling [reigning] over you, ·this is what he will do [he will act this way; L this will be the way/manner/custom in which he will rule/reign over you]: He will ·take [draft] your sons and make them serve with his chariots and his ·horses [or charioteers; horsemen], and they will run in front of the king’s chariot. 12 He will make some of your sons commanders over thousands or over fifties. He will make some of your other sons plow his ·ground [fields] and ·reap his harvest [harvest his crops]. He will take others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to make perfume and cook and bake for him. 14 He will take your best fields, vineyards, and olive groves and give them to his ·servants [officials; attendants]. 15 He will take ·one-tenth [a tithe] of your ·grain [crops; seed] and ·grapes [vineyards] and give it to his officers and ·servants [officials; attendants]. 16 He will take your male and female servants, your best cattle, and your donkeys and use them all for his own work. 17 He will take ·one-tenth [a tithe] of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his ·slaves [servants]. 18 ·When that time comes [L In that day], you will cry out because of the king you ·chose [selected]. But the Lord will not ·answer [help] you then.”
19 But the people ·would not [L refused to] listen to [L the voice of] Samuel. They said, “No! We ·want [are determined to have] a king to rule over us. 20 Then we will be the same as all the other nations. Our king will ·judge for [govern; rule over] us and go ·with [before] us and fight our battles.”
6 When the elders said, “Give us [Appoint; L Now, set for us] a king(president) to ·rule over [judge] us,” ·Samuel was not pleased [L it was evil/wrong in the eyes of Samuel]. So he prayed to the Lord, 7 and the Lord told Samuel, “Listen to ·whatever [L the voice of] the people [L regarding what they] say to you. They have not rejected you. They have rejected me from being their king. 8 They are doing as they have always done. When I ·took them out of [brought them up from] Egypt, they ·left [abandoned; deserted; forsook] me and ·served [followed] other gods. They are doing the same to you. 9 Now ·listen to the people [listen to their voice; do as they ask], but [L solemnly] warn them ·what the king who rules over them will do [about the way/manner/custom in which he will rule/reign over them].”
10 So Samuel told those who had asked him for a king ·what [everything; L all the words] the Lord had said. 11 Samuel said, “If you have a king ·ruling [reigning] over you, ·this is what he will do [he will act this way; L this will be the way/manner/custom in which he will rule/reign over you]: He will ·take [draft] your sons and make them serve with his chariots and his ·horses [or charioteers; horsemen], and they will run in front of the king’s chariot. 12 He will make some of your sons commanders over thousands or over fifties. He will make some of your other sons plow his ·ground [fields] and ·reap his harvest [harvest his crops]. He will take others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to make perfume and cook and bake for him. 14 He will take your best fields, vineyards, and olive groves and give them to his ·servants [officials; attendants]. 15 He will take ·one-tenth [a tithe] of your ·grain [crops; seed] and ·grapes [vineyards] and give it to his officers and ·servants [officials; attendants]. 16 He will take your male and female servants, your best cattle, and your donkeys and use them all for his own work. 17 He will take ·one-tenth [a tithe] of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his ·slaves [servants]. 18 ·When that time comes [L In that day], you will cry out because of the king you ·chose [selected]. But the Lord will not ·answer [help] you then.”
19 But the people ·would not [L refused to] listen to [L the voice of] Samuel. They said, “No! We ·want [are determined to have] a king to rule over us. 20 Then we will be the same as all the other nations. Our king will ·judge for [govern; rule over] us and go ·with [before] us and fight our battles.”
Sure has the same ring as what we see today in most Churches.
The pastors friends and family [framily] get appointed to the leadership positions and live on the financial support of the Congregation, and the pastor uses it all "for his own work".
The house of Saul lives in the palace without the anointing while David lives in the cave with the anointing.
JLB
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His_nee (Jeff)
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hadn't even thought of that, but yes it's true in many cases. and especially now that the pastors who 'cooperate' with the 'state' are granted special 'promises' of relief when marshal law is declared. just as in nazi germany a few years ago.
another point though, was that americans clamor and clamor about how 'good' or necessary or even 'godly' the american political democracy is, and don't even realize that's not what we have, and it's not what God wants for believers. oh, God used it all along to serve HIS OWN PLAN - largely protecting ISRAEL (yes, the country), and also ISRAEL (yes, the spiritual, as only GOD and a few see), but this country is going to judgment quickly, and it will be /is devastating, because the people have rejected the Almighty and rejected His Son Yeshua Whom He sent to save them(us).
not even a point, barely worth noticing, I won't even mention what faith the president associates with and has supported.
another point though, was that americans clamor and clamor about how 'good' or necessary or even 'godly' the american political democracy is, and don't even realize that's not what we have, and it's not what God wants for believers. oh, God used it all along to serve HIS OWN PLAN - largely protecting ISRAEL (yes, the country), and also ISRAEL (yes, the spiritual, as only GOD and a few see), but this country is going to judgment quickly, and it will be /is devastating, because the people have rejected the Almighty and rejected His Son Yeshua Whom He sent to save them(us).
not even a point, barely worth noticing, I won't even mention what faith the president associates with and has supported.