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Bible Study The Calf and the Ox

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There are many that consider themselves to be servants of the Lord. There are some that consider themselves to be "bond servants" to their Master. They have the mindset of a slave, being in bondage as a servant. They are bond servants to their Master Jesus, but Jesus came that we might be set from this bondage. That we are no longer servants, but through adoption, sons. So the question is do you consider yourself a Servant or a Son?

I hope will you will join me in this study on Servants and Sons. What is the difference? What is unique to each?




Does a Calf of the stall tread corn with the Ox of the field?

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( quote)That we are no longer servants, but through adoption, sons.(unquote)

Uh, Just a point of error, we are not sons through adoption, but sons through birth..! We have been born of God. The " adoption " spoken of in scripture has to do with becoming of age, we are then " adopted " into the family business.
 
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( quote)That we are no longer servants, but through adoption, sons.(unquote)

Uh, Just a point of error, we are not sons through adoption, but sons through birth..! We have been born of God. The " adoption " spoken of in scripture has to do with becoming of age, we are then " adopted " into the family business.

I welcome your input, but there is no need to strain at a gnat just yet. There will be time to get into sons versus adopted sons. As this topic will touch on the story of the prodigal son. For in that parable we find two different sons, the elder and the younger; but their characteristics are quite different.

But for now, I wish to focus more on the distinction between a servant and a son, because many have chosen to make themselves a servant. For unlike the prodigal son, they did not return to their Father, but went instead and hid in the field as one of the servants. Not unlike Adam, who when he partook of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil went and hid from the Lord among the trees of the garden.
 
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Does a Calf of the stall tread corn with the Ox of the field?

The Ox labors in the field to tread out the corn. The Ox is a servant of the Lord. The Ox labors in the field with the other servants. The Ox is fed by other servants.

But the Calf of the stall does not labor with the Ox to tread the corn, the Calf remains at rest in his stall. The Calf is not fed by the other servants in the field, the Calf is fed by the Good Shepherd himself.
 
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Now there are a few things that you should know about a servant. To a servant, the words of the book are sealed. A servant may think themselves to be an eagle, but a servant is more like a carrier pigeon. A carrier pigeon is given a message that is strapped to his thigh. It is not given to the carrier pigeon to understand the contents of the message that he carries. The pigeon has accomplished his task when the message has been delivered. Well done thou good and faithful servant!

The message that the carrier pigeon delivers is one that is delivered to the Son. The words of the message are not intended for the servant, but rather they are intended only for the Son to understand; because the sealed message that the servant delivers is a message from a Father to His Son.
 
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So how does the calf and the ox relate to sons of God.?

But a faithful servant is better than unfaithful son....!
 
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So how does the calf and the ox relate to sons of God.?

But a faithful servant is better than unfaithful son....!
The calves of the stall represent the Sons of God, while the Oxen represent the servants of the field.


And YES, a faithful servant is better than an unfaithful son. So much so, that a faithful servant may even be adopted as a son.
 
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A servant continues to labor in the field until their Master comes.

The Sons have been called home to rest.
 
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I'm sorry but I don't see the connection. Not of the calves and oxen or the carrier pigeons..... :shrug
 
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Jeremiah 46:20 Egypt is a very fair heifer; but [1] destruction out of the north is come, it is come.*n5
21 Also her hired men in the midst of her are like calves of the stall; for they also are turned back, they are fled away together, they did not stand: for the day of their calamity is come upon them, the time of their visitation.Could you state the scripture reference for " calves of the stall not tread corn ".
this verse seems to be saying that the men of Egypt are as calves in the stall...Now how you can say these are the sons of God????
Oh, I think not, that I'm not able to understand. But I'll make an effort.
 
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Could you state the scripture reference for " calves of the stall not tread corn ".
I am just curious, did you do that consciously or unconsciously? Because you are asking me to provide a scripture reference for something I did NOT say. You have twisted what I said.

Oh, I think not, that I'm not able to understand. But I'll make an effort.
It is amazing what happens to people when they touch the scriptures. It's almost like they lose the ability to reason for themselves. They stop thinking for themselves and simply demand scripture references. Do you understand the concept of rhetorical questions? Or the use of parables?

If you are serious about trying to understand, then I would implore you to try using just a little common sense. You do know what a carrier pigeon is, right? If not, just watch a season or two of Game of Thrones. Back before we had smartphones and things of modern technology and just, messages used to be carried by pigeons.

But we don't even need to look at pigeons. Have you ever seen a movie, where someone folds up a letter or script, then seals it with wax and then hands it to a servant to be delivered. The letter is to be delivered unsealed by the servant. The letter is sealed because it is not given to the servant to understand the message. It is only given to the servant to deliver the message. Pretty simple understanding when we stop reason things out.

For those who would consider themselves servants of the Lord, or bond slaves to their master, then to them the words of he book are sealed. The words of the book are not given to them to understand. The words of the book are a message intended for a son. The words of the book are sealed, and only Christ is worthy to loose the seals thereof.

The servants of the Lord have been trying to decipher the words of the book for a long time, using every conceivable scheme imaginable. From their own understanding, they have created a multitude of doctrines and traditions of men. But they have never stopped to consider in their own hearts the role of a messenger. For it is written who is blind as my servant, or as deaf as the messenger I sent?
 
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To Daniel, a prophet and servant of the Lord

Daniel 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
 
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Matthew 13:10-11
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
 
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I am just curious, did you do that consciously or unconsciously? Because you are asking me to provide a scripture reference for something I did NOT say. You have twisted what I said. ( /unquote)


( quote) Does a Calf of the stall tread corn with the Ox of the field?( /unquote)
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Your very first post in this thread, was just as recorded. What did you Not say?


It is amazing what happens to people when they touch the scriptures. It's almost like they lose the ability to reason for themselves. They stop thinking for themselves and simply demand scripture references. Do you understand the concept of rhetorical questions? Or the use of parables?

Well your use of the phrase and its interpretation is not a known parable, your expanation put as a " rhetorical question demands clarity to the scriptures or else it is just ones imagination.

If you are serious about trying to understand, then I would implore you to try using just a little common sense. You do know what a carrier pigeon is, right? If not, just watch a season or two of Game of Thrones. Back before we had smartphones and things of modern technology and just, messages used to be carried by pigeons.

Of course I know what a carrier pigeon is, but your interpretation to the message is sealed except for the one it is delivered to, is to say the learst, not in the least identified with the thought in the scripture.

But we don't even need to look at pigeons. Have you ever seen a movie, where someone folds up a letter or script, then seals it with wax and then hands it to a servant to be delivered. The letter is to be delivered unsealed by the servant. The letter is sealed because it is not given to the servant to understand the message. It is only given to the servant to deliver the message. Pretty simple understanding when we stop reason things out.

But understanding maybe correct in the natural, but it doesn't draw from anything spiritual.

For those who would consider themselves servants of the Lord, or bond slaves to their master, then to them the words of the book are sealed. The words of the book are not given to them to understand. The words of the book are a message intended for a son. The words of the book are sealed, and only Christ is worthy to loose the seals thereof.

Well Paul called himself a bond slave to Christ, and he sure understood his Lord. Even to the point he could give his opinion on subjests, that he didn't get from the Lord.

The servants of the Lord have been trying to decipher the words of the book for a long time, using every conceivable scheme imaginable. From their own understanding, they have created a multitude of doctrines and traditions of men. But they have never stopped to consider in their own hearts the role of a messenger. For it is written who is blind as my servant, or as deaf as the messenger I sent?

True, religious men have created doctrines, and traditions of men, for years. Because they don't have the Spirit to understand the spiritual book! Or having the Spirit, they have never learned to hear the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 2: 12 But we received, not the spirit of the [1] world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God.*n9
13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; [1] combining spiritual things with spiritual words .*n10


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I hope will you will join me in this study on Servants and Sons. What is the difference? What is unique to each?
I'm most interested. Paul and Timothy identify themselves as servants in Philippians 1:1. If they were servants, who was a son for us to look at?
 
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Matthew 13:10-11
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
One, it was given to His disciples at the time, and even they had to have the parables explained to them. Many things Jesus said wasn't understood by disciples until the Spirit came upon them after Jesus departure. Those others that were given only parables, was because they didn't believe, that Jesus was the son of God...
John 12: 16 These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him.
 
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please see your comment #15
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