The Death Penalty

[Lewis]

Okay who here believes in the Death Penalty ? Well I do and the Bible backs it up. Now the one problem I have is that' people get wrongly convicted. And with the invention of DNA testing many have been exonerated' now just supposed they were executed like many have in this country' who were innocent. But nevertheless I still want the Death Penalty to stay and on some I would pull the switch myself. Romans 13 gives man the authority to do so, and you know what the Old Testament says. There are many cases where the culprit should be tried and executed within a week. And also for some cases they should still use the electric chair and run the switch to my house on my desk while I am viewing via webcam. When you kidnap and kill babies and children the elderly or any innocent person and you cause their intensional death. You should be put to death unless God has mercy upon you' and many times He does and many time He does not.

 

[reba]

YUP .... We now have DNA it is not perfect but every person should have the benefits of DNA testing.. We need be mindful of innocent blood.

Deu 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.
Deu 19:11 But if any man hate his neighbour, and lie in wait for him, and rise up against him, and smite him mortally that he die, and fleeth into one of these cities:
Deu 19:12 Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

 

[Lewis]

YUP .... We now have DNA it is not perfect but every person should have the benefits of DNA testing.. We need be mindful of innocent blood.

Deu 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.
Deu 19:11 But if any man hate his neighbour, and lie in wait for him, and rise up against him, and smite him mortally that he die, and fleeth into one of these cities:
Deu 19:12 Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

 

[TOG]

Okay who here believes in the Death Penalty ? Well I do and the Bible backs it up. Now the one problem I have is that' people get wrongly convicted. And with the invention of DNA testing many have been exonerated' now just supposed they were executed like many have in this country' who were innocent. But nevertheless I still want the Death Penalty to stay and on some I would pull the switch myself. Romans 13 gives man the authority to do so, and you know what the Old Testament says. There are many cases where the culprit should be tried and executed within a week. And also for some cases they should still use the electric chair and run the switch to my house on my desk while I am viewing via webcam. When you kidnap and kill babies and children the elderly or any innocent person and you cause their intensional death. You should be put to death unless God has mercy upon you' and many times He does and many time He does not.

Why would you only pull the switch on some? And why would you want to watch while someone was being executed in the electric chair? Sounds more like vengeance than justice to me. Also Romans 13 doesn't give anybody the authority to execute anybody. There is a grand total of 9 words which are often twisted in that direction.

for he does not bear the sword in vain. (Rom. 13:4 ESV)
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That doesn't give anybody any authority. Paul wasn't writing to the government to tell them what authority they had, but to believers to tell them how to behave. The government has the authority to punish those that break the law. "Bearing the sword" is a euphemism for that. How the actually execute (no pun in tended) that authority is not being discussed here.

Also, could you show me a verse that says people had to be executed within a week for some violation?

The TOG​

 

[Lewis]

Because Tog' when you kill and rape babies or little girls and boys and then kill them I will excute you myself and with the webcam I can make sure that you don't get up again' and if so' I will send some more volts over there. I am not afraid to say how I feel. And you are wrong about Romans 13 read the KJV

 

[Kathi]

YUP .... We now have DNA it is not perfect but every person should have the benefits of DNA testing.. We need be mindful of innocent blood.

Deu 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.
Deu 19:11 But if any man hate his neighbour, and lie in wait for him, and rise up against him, and smite him mortally that he die, and fleeth into one of these cities:
Deu 19:12 Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Before DNA so many people died needlessly because they were innocent.

 

[TOG]

Because Tog' when you kill and rape babies or little girls and boys and then kill them I will excute you myself and with the webcam I can make sure that you don't get up again' and if so' I will send some more volts over there. I am not afraid to say how I feel. And you are wrong about Romans 13 read the KJV

Justice isn't based on how a person feels. If it's based on how you feel, it's called vengeance.

The TOG​

 

[farouk]

Before DNA so many people died needlessly because they were innocent.

Well, they need to have ppl who know what they are doing.

Also, the guy leading the Bible studies needs to be a different guy from the one mixing the injection brew at Terre-Haute penitentiary. (My point is dispensational ; it's the responsibility of the nations rather than the church to put people in jail, punish them, etc.)

Blessings.

 

[Lewis]

Justice isn't based on how a person feels. If it's based on how you feel, it's called vengeance.

The TOG​

Tog I said I was not afraid to say how I feel. Nut now as far as the Death Penalty is concerned' I think it should be used and if they without a doubt are found guilty for raping and killing a little girl or something set the idiot in the chair and pull the switch. I am a very compassionate Christian but I am not a passive Christian. And Romans 13 says that the goverment can avenge.

 

[Kathi]

What does the Bible say about the death penalty / capital punishment?"

Answer: The Old Testament law commanded the death penalty for various acts: murder (Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19), adultery (Leviticus 20:10), homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24), and several other crimes. However, God often showed mercy when the death penalty was due. David committed adultery and murder, yet God did not demand his life be taken (2 Samuel 11:1-5, 14-17; 2 Samuel 12:13). Ultimately, every sin we commit should result in the death penalty because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Thankfully, God demonstrates His love for us in not condemning us (Romans 5:8).

When the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in the act of adultery to Jesus and asked Him if she should be stoned, Jesus replied, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7). This should not be used to indicate that Jesus rejected capital punishment in all instances. Jesus was simply exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. The Pharisees wanted to trick Jesus into breaking the Old Testament law; they did not truly care about the woman being stoned (where was the man who was caught in adultery?) God is the One who instituted capital punishment: “Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man” (Genesis 9:6). Jesus would support capital punishment in some instances. Jesus also demonstrated grace when capital punishment was due (John 8:1-11). The apostle Paul definitely recognized the power of the government to institute capital punishment where appropriate (Romans 13:1-7).

How should a Christian view the death penalty? First, we must remember that God has instituted capital punishment in His Word; therefore, it would be presumptuous of us to think that we could institute a higher standard. God has the highest standard of any being; He is perfect. This standard applies not only to us but to Himself. Therefore, He loves to an infinite degree, and He has mercy to an infinite degree. We also see that He has wrath to an infinite degree, and it is all maintained in a perfect balance.

Second, we must recognize that God has given government the authority to determine when capital punishment is due (Genesis 9:6; Romans 13:1-7). It is unbiblical to claim that God opposes the death penalty in all instances. Christians should never rejoice when the death penalty is employed, but at the same time, Christians should not fight against the government’s right to execute the perpetrators of the most evil of crimes.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/death-penalty.html#ixzz2sktmjhn9

 

[Lewis]

So what do you think should happen to these 2 fools below ?


Parents killed girl by making her drink too much grape soda, water, authorities say

video link
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/08/justice/tennessee-girl-soda-death/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
A Tennessee couple faces murder charges for allegedly punishing the man's 5-year-old daughter by making her gulp excessive amounts of water and grape soda, leading to her death, authorities said.
Alexa Linboom was forced to guzzle the fluids after she took "one or two grape drinks" that belonged to her stepmother, District Attorney Berkley Bell told CNN affiliate WJHL.

"She was allegedly force-fed so much liquid that it caused the sodium level in her body to go down and caused her brain to swell," he said.

In addition to drinking more than 2 liters of fluids in about two hours, she also suffered other forms of punishment, Bell told the affiliate. He did not get into specifics.

The child became unresponsive, and the pair drove her to the hospital on New Year's Day in 2012.

Two days later, she was declared brain dead and removed from life support.

A two-year investigation determined her death was a homicide as a result of acute fluid/water intoxication, the Hawkins County Sheriff's Office said in a statement this week.

Randall Lee Vaughn, 41, and and his wife, Mary Lavonne Vaughn, 58, have each been charged with first degree murder, two counts of aggravated child neglect and aggravated child abuse.

The Surgoinsville residents are being held on a $500,000 bond. They did not enter a plea in their first appearance before a judge Friday, CNN affiliate WREG reported.

Information on their attorneys was not immediately available.

Their trial is scheduled to start in October.

 

[Lewis]

What does the Bible say about the death penalty / capital punishment?"

Answer: The Old Testament law commanded the death penalty for various acts: murder (Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19), adultery (Leviticus 20:10), homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24), and several other crimes. However, God often showed mercy when the death penalty was due. David committed adultery and murder, yet God did not demand his life be taken (2 Samuel 11:1-5, 14-17; 2 Samuel 12:13). Ultimately, every sin we commit should result in the death penalty because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Thankfully, God demonstrates His love for us in not condemning us (Romans 5:8).

When the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in the act of adultery to Jesus and asked Him if she should be stoned, Jesus replied, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7). This should not be used to indicate that Jesus rejected capital punishment in all instances. Jesus was simply exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. The Pharisees wanted to trick Jesus into breaking the Old Testament law; they did not truly care about the woman being stoned (where was the man who was caught in adultery?) God is the One who instituted capital punishment: “Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man” (Genesis 9:6). Jesus would support capital punishment in some instances. Jesus also demonstrated grace when capital punishment was due (John 8:1-11). The apostle Paul definitely recognized the power of the government to institute capital punishment where appropriate (Romans 13:1-7).

How should a Christian view the death penalty? First, we must remember that God has instituted capital punishment in His Word; therefore, it would be presumptuous of us to think that we could institute a higher standard. God has the highest standard of any being; He is perfect. This standard applies not only to us but to Himself. Therefore, He loves to an infinite degree, and He has mercy to an infinite degree. We also see that He has wrath to an infinite degree, and it is all maintained in a perfect balance.

Second, we must recognize that God has given government the authority to determine when capital punishment is due (Genesis 9:6; Romans 13:1-7). It is unbiblical to claim that God opposes the death penalty in all instances. Christians should never rejoice when the death penalty is employed, but at the same time, Christians should not fight against the government’s right to execute the perpetrators of the most evil of crimes.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/death-penalty.html#ixzz2sktmjhn9

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[TOG]

I am a very compassionate Christian

And also for some cases they should still use the electric chair and run the switch to my house on my desk while I am viewing via webcam.

You don't see any conflict between those two statements? Is there no contradiction in your mind between being compassionate on one and and on the other to want someone to suffer as much as possible while you watch?

And you still haven't shown me a verse that says violators have to be executed within a week.

The TOG​

 

[Kathi]

I love Got Questions.I use it for my primary Bible study.Of course the site is most Pre-trib so every one would not agree with them.I think they are pretty right on as far as capital punishment goes.Yes,God has given the govenment authority over capital punishment and the government can be corrupt.I think that DNA plays important role now.At least they have a good idea who did the act.

 

[Lewis]

You don't see any conflict between those two statements? Is there no contradiction in your mind between being compassionate on one and and on the other to want someone to suffer as much as possible while you watch?

And you still haven't shown me a verse that says violators have to be executed within a week.Did you read kathi post up there' it is stuff that I already know' but do you know it.

The TOG​

No you can be very compassionate and still be very stern. The Bible backs me up

 

[Kathi]

No you can be very compassionate and still be very stern. The Bible backs me up

Yes,I agree.

 

[Kathi]

What happens if a violent rapist gets out on parole and he does the same thing again?

 

[reba]

IMO death penalty is for the ted bundys, the BTK etc types... serial type rapist and killers.. and a child molester should never see the light of day.

 

[Lewis]

A few years ago we had a argument on this forum' and the argument was this. I said if a man broke into your house beat and tried to rape your wife and kids what would you do just stand there because you are the model Christian or would you fight and maybe have to kill for your family. Well do you know we had about 2 or 3 people who said that they would not fight because that is not Christian. So I said well what about your wife and kids' and the reply was God would take care of it. And one of them said that he would just talk to the rapist. And I said while he is raping your wife ? And then he said God will not let that happen. And I said just because we are Christians we are not exempt from trouble. I saying all this to say this. There is a time to be passive and a time not to be passive.

 

[TOG]

No you can be very compassionate and still be very stern. The Bible backs me up

I can accept that. But there's a difference between being stern and wanting to see people suffer. The Bible backs up the former, but not the latter.

The TOG​