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The enthronement of Jesus Christ will take place at the end of the 70th week of Daniel (Dan.9: 24-27). The ‘heir’ (Gal. 4: 1) will take His ‘great power’ (Rev. 11: 17) and receive ‘a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him’ (Dan.7: 14). The kingdoms of this world will ‘become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ’ (Rev.11: 15). The Father will tell the Son:

‘Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.' (Psalm 2:7-9).

The peoples of the Earth will receive an ultimatum from the Lord:

‘Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come’ (Rev.14: 7).

In heaven, there will be great joy, ‘for the marriage of the Lamb is come’ (Rev. 19: 7), but on earth there will be great sorrow. It ‘it is even the time of Jacob's trouble’ (Jer.30:7). God will purify Israel. He ‘will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried’ (Zech. 13: 9). This period will last until 1290th day (Dan.12:13)
 
esus was enthroned by Mat 28:18 "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."
Has Jesus taken that power at this present time, or is He seated in His Father’s throne? Psa 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory. With the power given Jesus, is there reason that nations are still usurping their own authority?

What do you think of Jesus receiving His own throne in Rev 4:2? Isn’t that after the Lord’s Day begins? Rev 1:10, Rev 4:1. You seem to be ignoring the three viewpoints of Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

At this present isn’t Jesus walking among the candlesticks judging? Rev 2:1.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God . . .
 
The enthronement of Jesus Christ will take place at the end of the 70th week of Daniel (Dan.9: 24-27)...will take His ‘great power’ (Rev. 11: 17) and receive ‘a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him’ (Dan.7: 14). The kingdoms of this world will ‘become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ’ (Rev.11: 15).
This has already happened. In addition to Matt. 28:18:

Matt. 26:64 Jesus said to him, "You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven."

That is a reference to Daniel 7:

Dan. 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.
14 And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.

Jesus is saying that he is this one in Daniel 7 and will be receiving this everlasting dominion, which will occur after his death and resurrection.

1 Cor. 15:24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Ehp. 1:20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
22 And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church,

Heb. 2:7 You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor,
8 putting everything in subjection under his feet."Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.

1 Pet. 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

(All ESV.)

The ‘heir’ (Gal. 4: 1)
Gal. 4:1 is speaking of believers, not Jesus:

Gal. 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slavenor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
Gal. 4:1 I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything,
2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father.
3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.
4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"
7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God. (ESV)

The Father will tell the Son:

‘Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.' (Psalm 2:7-9).
No need to quote Psalms 2 when we know from Heb. 1 that this has already occurred:

Heb. 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, today I have begotten you"?Or again, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son"? (ESV)
 
Has Jesus taken that power at this present time,
Yes. That's what He said at Mat 28:18.
is He seated in His Father’s throne?
Yes. Heb 8:1b We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
Heb 12:2 ... Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
What do you think of Jesus receiving His own throne in Rev 4:2? Isn’t that after the Lord’s Day begins? Rev 1:10, Rev 4:1. You seem to be ignoring the three viewpoints of Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
I think we can confidently accept what is written in Hebrews and Matthew are accurate statements of what is right now factual.
I think we must consider that, when reading the Revelation, most of it is John's rendering into human language his ecstatic, mysterious, apocalyptic visions and that we must be very careful not to impose too literal a meaning on them.
Scripture does not contradict scripture and scripture says that all authority in heaven and earth have already been given to Jesus almost 2000 years ago and that, having completed His work, he sat down at the right hand of the Father on His throne, also almost 2000 years ago.
At this present isn’t Jesus walking among the candlesticks judging? Rev 2:1.
He was doing that when John was given his visions. (again, almost 2000 years ago.)


Iakov the fool
 
At the marriage supper of the Lamb and His bride, at the time of His enthronement (Rev. 19: 6,7), chosen will also be present (Revelation 17: 14). These are those who will be killed (Rev. 6: 9) during the harvest (49 prophetic years), and those who are called are those, 'which shall not taste of death' (Mar. 9: 1). These are 144,000 Israeli Evangelists (Rev. 7: 4-8). These two groups will be raptured together with the two witnesses (Rev. 11: 12). This will be the second rapture. This rapture will look like the first rapture, that is, the rapture of the Church of the firstborn. Only the second rapture there will be observed by the entire inhabitance of the Earth 'and their enemies beheld them' (Rev.11:12)
 
At the marriage supper of the Lamb and His bride, at the time of His enthronement (Rev. 19: 6,7), chosen will also be present (Revelation 17: 14). These are those who will be killed (Rev. 6: 9) during the harvest (49 prophetic years), and those who are called are those, 'which shall not taste of death' (Mar. 9: 1). These are 144,000 Israeli Evangelists (Rev. 7: 4-8). These two groups will be raptured together with the two witnesses (Rev. 11: 12). This will be the second rapture. This rapture will look like the first rapture, that is, the rapture of the Church of the firstborn. Only the second rapture there will be observed by the entire inhabitance of the Earth 'and their enemies beheld them' (Rev.11:12)
You are either the only person on te web to be saved or you are delusional. And sonny, this Old Man has the promise of Eternal Salvation and I and a good portion of the Members here are going to Heaven, so, where does that leave you and your errant thoughts?
 
Scripture does not contradict scripture and scripture says that all authority in heaven and earth have already been given to Jesus almost 2000 years ago and that, having completed His work, he sat down at the right hand of the Father on His throne, also almost 2000 years ago.
Hi Brother Jim, I think I understand what you’re saying, but I would ask if you’ll allow me, why nations continue to rule in usurpation if Jesus has put that power into effect.

Heb 2:8 Thou (Our Father) hast put all things in subjection under His feet (Jesus). For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. Jesus seems to be walking among the Church judging at this present time (Judgment begins at the house of God, (1 Pet 4:17)

I may have already said this, and I do lose track of where I post what, but I’ll repeat it here.
What do you think Jesus is doing at this present time instead of ruling with the power available? (Possibly having Jesus' angel show John in spirit what Jesus wants him to write in Rev Chaps Two & Three?)

Do you really think that Jesus Who is sitting in His Father’s throne as our Day’s Man is exerting the power He will have once He receives His own throne in Rev 4:2?

And then -

1Co 15:27 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when he saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under Him. (Our Father will not be under Jesus’ authority)
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him (Jesus), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him (Our Father) that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

Thanks.
 
Hi Brother Jim, I think I understand what you’re saying, but I would ask if you’ll allow me, why nations continue to rule in usurpation if Jesus has put that power into effect.
Because the body of Christ, the Church, permits it by not fulfilling the "great commission" to make disciples (not just Jesus fans) of all nations.
 
Hi Brother Jim, I think I understand what you’re saying, but I would ask if you’ll allow me, why nations continue to rule in usurpation if Jesus has put that power into effect.
Because the body of Christ, the Church, permits it by not fulfilling the "great commission" to make disciples (not just Jesus fans) of all nations.
What gives you the idea that the Church is the one directed to teach the nations? and then baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost?
What do you think of Mar 16:15? And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
And then we read in Col 3:17, And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Peter followed this: Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Why not in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost - was that reserved for a future time?)
 
dirtfarmer here

Some things to ponder.

I understand that posting these thoughts that there will be many that will think that I have lost my mind and possibility will accuse me of being deranged and delusional.

Matthew 28:16 that it was the eleven disciples to whom verses 17-20 were written and not to the Church. After the Church age has expired and during the tribulation period, there will be 12,000 from each tribe that sealed and nothing can hurt them. In verse 19 it is the "nations" that are to be taught, not individuals. What are they, the sealed 144,000, to teach all nations to observe? What were the "all things whatsoever I have commanded"? are they not the beatitudes of Matthew 5-7?
 
What gives you the idea that the Church is the one directed to teach the nations?
If not the Church, then who?
And I did not say "teach", I said "make disciples." There is a huge difference.
and then baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost?
That's a different subject which I addressed at some length in the threads "Water Baptism Outline" parts 1 & 2 found on page 4 of the Bible Study section.
 
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What gives you the idea that the Church is the one directed to teach the nations? and then baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost?
If not the Church, then who?
And I did not say "teach", I said "make disciples." There is a huge difference.
OK, I'll bite.

But Who will set it up?
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: (When is this to be?)
Do you think that Jesus will personally rebuild the tabernacle, or use those on the earth to do it? Where is the Church to be at that time? Thanks.
 
But Who will set it up?
????????
Really?? You don't know who would make disciples of all nations?
That is exactly what I was talking about when I said: "Because the body of Christ, the Church, permits it (nation's rule) by not fulfilling the "great commission" to make disciples (not just Jesus fans) of all nations."
Are you serious with these questions or are you just messing with me?
 
OK, I'll bite.

But Who will set it up?
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: (When is this to be?)
Do you think that Jesus will personally rebuild the tabernacle, or use those on the earth to do it? Where is the Church to be at that time? Thanks.

hello Eugene, dirtfarmer here

The last question is the key to the answer to the other questions.
 
dirtfarmer here

Some things to ponder.

I understand that posting these thoughts that there will be many that will think that I have lost my mind and possibility will accuse me of being deranged and delusional.

Matthew 28:16 that it was the eleven disciples to whom verses 17-20 were written and not to the Church. After the Church age has expired and during the tribulation period, there will be 12,000 from each tribe that sealed and nothing can hurt them. In verse 19 it is the "nations" that are to be taught, not individuals. What are they, the sealed 144,000, to teach all nations to observe? What were the "all things whatsoever I have commanded"? are they not the beatitudes of Matthew 5-7?
The Tribulation Period has not ocurded yet.
 
dirtfarmer here

Some things to ponder.

I understand that posting these thoughts that there will be many that will think that I have lost my mind and possibility will accuse me of being deranged and delusional.

Matthew 28:16 that it was the eleven disciples to whom verses 17-20 were written and not to the Church. After the Church age has expired and during the tribulation period, there will be 12,000 from each tribe that sealed and nothing can hurt them. In verse 19 it is the "nations" that are to be taught, not individuals. What are they, the sealed 144,000, to teach all nations to observe? What were the "all things whatsoever I have commanded"? are they not the beatitudes of Matthew 5-7?
First, there will be the enthronement of the Lord Jesus Christ (1260th day). Then is 'the time of Jacob's trouble' (Jer. 30: 7). This Jacob is five foolish virgins (Mat. 25: 2). The prototype of Israel at this time is King Hezekiah: 'Like a crane or a swallow, so did I chatter: I did mourn as a dove: mine eyes fail with looking upward: O LORD, I am oppressed; undertake for me.' (Is.38: 14). Jesus Christ says: 'And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.' (Mat. 10: 22). Within 30 days God will purify this foolish Israel. He 'will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried' (Zech. 13: 9). 'For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return.' (Is.10:22) Scripture, as it were on behalf of Israel, says: 'Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back' (Is.38: 17). At the 1290th day there will be restored 'the kingdom to Israel' (Acts.1:6). In the 1335th day God will make 'a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah' (Heb.8:8). Israel will receive spiritual gifts: 'And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions' (Joel.2:28) to bring other sheep, 'which are not of this fold' (John.10:16). Israel will also reseive 'the royal law according to the scripture' (James.2:8)(Matt.5-7). The former foolish Israel will enter 'into his rest' (Heb. 4: 1) 'on the third day' (4 Kings 20: 5). It will be on the 'fiftieth year' (Lev.25:11) 'in the third day' (Hos.6:2)
 
You do well when you post the scriptures you are referencing to draw the conclusions you have drawn.
the problem is, nearly, all of them ave naught to do with your statements. You are drawing them out of their context and, completely misusing them. Your words are not true, why?
 
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