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Gnosticism (1st and 2nd Centuries)

"Matter is evil!" was the cry of the Gnostics. This idea was borrowed from certain Greek philosophers. It stood against Catholic teaching, not only because it contradicts Genesis 1:31 ("And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good") and other scriptures, but because it denies the Incarnation. If matter is evil, then Jesus Christ could not be true God and true man, for Christ is in no way evil. Thus many Gnostics denied the Incarnation, claiming that Christ only appeared to be a man, but that his humanity was an illusion. Some Gnostics, recognizing that the Old Testament taught that God created matter, claimed that the God of the Jews was an evil deity who was distinct from the New Testament God of Jesus Christ. They also proposed belief in many divine beings, known as "aeons," who mediated between man and the ultimate, unreachable God. The lowest of these aeons, the one who had contact with men, was supposed to be Jesus Christ.


Montanism (Late 2nd Century)

Montanus began his career innocently enough through preaching a return to penance and fervor. His movement also emphasized the continuance of miraculous gifts, such as speaking in tongues and prophecy. However, he also claimed that his teachings were above those of the Church, and soon he began to teach Christ’s imminent return in his home town in Phrygia. There were also statements that Montanus himself either was, or at least specially spoke for, the Paraclete that Jesus had promised would come (in reality, the Holy Spirit).


Sabellianism (Early 3rd Century)

The Sabellianists taught that Jesus Christ and God the Father were not distinct persons, but two aspects or offices of one person. According to them, the three persons of the Trinity exist only in God’s relation to man, not in objective reality.


Arianism (4th Century)

Arius taught that Christ was a creature made by God. By disguising his heresy using orthodox or near-orthodox terminology, he was able to sow great confusion in the Church. He was able to muster the support of many bishops, while others excommunicated him.

Arianism was solemnly condemned in 325 at the First Council of Nicaea, which defined the divinity of Christ, and in 381 at the First Council of Constantinople, which defined the divinity of the Holy Spirit. These two councils gave us the Nicene creed, which Catholics recite at Mass every Sunday.


Pelagianism (5th Century)

Pelagius denied that we inherit original sin from Adam’s sin in the Garden and claimed that we become sinful only through the bad example of the sinful community into which we are born. Conversely, he denied that we inherit righteousness as a result of Christ’s death on the cross and said that we become personally righteous by instruction and imitation in the Christian community, following the example of Christ. Pelagius stated that man is born morally neutral and can achieve heaven under his own powers. According to him, God’s grace is not truly necessary, but merely makes easier an otherwise difficult task.


Semi-Pelagianism (5th Century)

After Augustine refuted the teachings of Pelagius, some tried a modified version of his system. This, too, ended in heresy by claiming that humans can reach out to God under their own power, without God’s grace; that once a person has entered a state of grace, one can retain it through one’s efforts, without further grace from God; and that natural human effort alone can give one some claim to receiving grace, though not strictly merit it.


Nestorianism (5th Century)

This heresy about the person of Christ was initiated by Nestorius, bishop of Constantinople, who denied Mary the title of Theotokos (Greek: "God-bearer" or, less literally, "Mother of God"). Nestorius claimed that she only bore Christ’s human nature in her womb, and proposed the alternative title Christotokos ("Christ-bearer" or "Mother of Christ").

Orthodox Catholic theologians recognized that Nestorius’s theory would fracture Christ into two separate persons (one human and one divine, joined in a sort of loose unity), only one of whom was in her womb. The Church reacted in 431 with the Council of Ephesus, defining that Mary can be properly referred to as the Mother of God, not in the sense that she is older than God or the source of God, but in the sense that the person she carried in her womb was, in fact, God incarnate ("in the flesh").

There is some doubt whether Nestorius himself held the heresy his statements imply, and in this century, the Assyrian Church of the East, historically regarded as a Nestorian church, has signed a fully orthodox joint declaration on Christology with the Catholic Church and rejects Nestorianism. It is now in the process of coming into full ecclesial communion with the Catholic Church.


Monophysitism (5th Century)

Monophysitism originated as a reaction to Nestorianism. The Monophysites (led by a man named Eutyches) were horrified by Nestorius’s implication that Christ was two people with two different natures (human and divine). They went to the other extreme, claiming that Christ was one person with only one nature (a fusion of human and divine elements). They are thus known as Monophysites because of their claim that Christ had only one nature (Greek: mono = one; physis = nature).

Orthodox Catholic theologians recognized that Monophysitism was as bad as Nestorianism because it denied Christ’s full humanity and full divinity. If Christ did not have a fully human nature, then he would not be fully human, and if he did not have a fully divine nature then he was not fully divine.


Iconoclasm (7th and 8th Centuries)

This heresy arose when a group of people known as iconoclasts (literally, "icon smashers") appeared, who claimed that it was sinful to make pictures and statues of Christ and the saints, despite the fact that in the Bible, God had commanded the making of religious statues (Ex. 25:18–20; 1 Chr. 28:18–19), including symbolic representations of Christ (cf. Num. 21:8–9 with John 3:14).


Catharism (11th Century)

Catharism was a complicated mix of non-Christian religions reworked with Christian terminology. The Cathars had many different sects; they had in common a teaching that the world was created by an evil deity (so matter was evil) and we must worship the good deity instead.

The Albigensians formed one of the largest Cathar sects. They taught that the spirit was created by God, and was good, while the body was created by an evil god, and the spirit must be freed from the body. Having children was one of the greatest evils, since it entailed imprisoning another "spirit" in flesh. Logically, marriage was forbidden, though fornication was permitted. Tremendous fasts and severe mortifications of all kinds were practiced, and their leaders went about in voluntary poverty.


Protestantism (16th Century)

Protestant groups display a wide variety of different doctrines. However, virtually all claim to believe in the teachings of sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone"â€â€the idea that we must use only the Bible when forming our theology) and sola fide ("by faith alone" the idea that we are justified by faith only).

The great diversity of Protestant doctrines stems from the doctrine of private judgment, which denies the infallible authority of the Church and claims that each individual is to interpret Scripture for himself. This idea is rejected in 2 Peter 1:20, where we are told the first rule of Bible interpretation: "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation." A significant feature of this heresy is the attempt to pit the Church "against" the Bible, denying that the magisterium has any infallible authority to teach and interpret Scripture.

The doctrine of private judgment has resulted in an enormous number of different denominations. According to The Christian Sourcebook, there are approximately 20-30,000 denominations, with 270 new ones being formed each year. Virtually all of these are Protestant.


Jansenism (17th Century)

Jansenius, bishop of Ypres, France, initiated this heresy with a paper he wrote on Augustine, which redefined the doctrine of grace. Among other doctrines, his followers denied that Christ died for all men, but claimed that he died only for those who will be finally saved (the elect). This and other Jansenist errors were officially condemned by Pope Innocent X in 1653.

Heresies have been with us from the Church’s beginning. They even have been started by Church leaders, who were then corrected by councils and popes. Fortunately, we have Christ’s promise that heresies will never prevail against the Church, for he told Peter, "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). The Church is truly, in Paul’s words, "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). Source: Catholic.com
 
Re: The Great Roman Catholic Hoaxes

stray bullet said:
Protestantism (16th Century)

Protestant groups display a wide variety of different doctrines. However, virtually all claim to believe in the teachings of (1) sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone"â€â€the idea that we must use only the Bible when forming our theology) and (2) sola fide ("by faith alone" the idea that we are justified by faith only).

The great diversity of Protestant doctrines stems from the doctrine of private judgment, which denies the infallible authority of the Church and claims that (3) each individual is to interpret Scripture for himself. This idea is rejected in 2 Peter 1:20, where we are told the first rule of Bible interpretation: "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation." A significant feature of this heresy is the attempt to pit the Church "against" the Bible, denying that the magisterium has any infallible authority to teach and interpret Scripture.

The doctrine of private judgment has resulted in an enormous number of different denominations. According to The Christian Sourcebook, there are (4) approximately 20-30,000 denominations, with 270 new ones being formed each year. Virtually all of these are Protestant.

The great Roman Catholic hoaxes

(1) Sola Scriptura
http://www.justforcatholics.org/a74.htm

(2) Sola Fide
http://www.justforcatholics.org/a59.htm

(3) Private Interpretation Of The Bible
http://www.justforcatholics.org/a79.htm

(4) 30,000 denominations?
http://www.justforcatholics.org/a86.htm

Enjoy!
:)
 
If you'd like to discuss them, then let's. Just don't copy and paste a LINK and treat it like it sufficiently ends any discussion.
 
BTW- Calling them "Roman Catholic hoaxes" is a nice touch. I'm glad to know the Catholic Church has managed to pull one over on every encyclipedia and history book in the world.

Sola Scriptura was created in the 16th Century, you wanna deny that?

Sola Scriptura is not found in the bible, you wanna show me otherwise?

Go for it Gary... show me I'm wrong.
 
I am happy to discuss them.... have you read the links? Can you see how shallow your catholic.com paragraph was?

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Gary said:
I am happy to discuss them.... have you read the links? Can you see how shallow your catholic.com paragraph was?

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There's nothing shallow about it. If you have something to say in response to what was posted, then posted. However, do not feel that posting a series of links from an uniformed, confused and inaccurate site is a suffecient rebuttle.
 
Can I suggest an actual discussion rather than a whining match :roll:
 
KnarfKS said:
Can I suggest an actual discussion rather than a whining match :roll:

It would be helpful if people make contributing responses, you included.
 
Since this discussion is about Heresies perhaps the following should be discussed as well:

Catholic Heresies:
Prayers for the dead--310 AD
Doctrine of Purgatory--593 AD
Indulgences Sold--1190 AD

(I am sure there are more but that is all I could think of at this time)

Oh yeah the Crusades and the Inquisitions were not Christ-like either.
 
Nocturnal_Principal_X said:
Since this discussion is about Heresies perhaps the following should be discussed as well:

Catholic Heresies:
Prayers for the dead--310 AD
Doctrine of Purgatory--593 AD
Indulgences Sold--1190 AD

(I am sure there are more but that is all I could think of at this time)

Oh yeah the Crusades and the Inquisitions were not Christ-like either.

There are no prayers to the dead.
Purgatory is suggested in the bible
Indulgences were abused by individual priests. They have not been 'sold'.
 
20-30,000 denominations - the lie
http://www.justforcatholics.org/a86.htm

So, the existence of many Protestant denominations supposedly proves that the Sola Scriptura is dangerous, that we should not try to understand the Bible for ourselves, that the church of Rome is the one true church and of course that all the other churches are false.

Elsewhere I (Joe Mizzi) have written briefly on the significance of the heterogeneity among Christians. (See: (a) That they may be one and (b) Disagreement among Protestants). Here I simply want to make one important addition, namely, that the allegation so often repeated by Catholic apologists that there are 20,000 to 30,000 Protestant denominations is simply FALSE...not to mention the double standard employed, for the Catholic church is not exactly united - there are untold factions and divisions, and diverse understanding of doctrine within Catholic groups and by different Catholic theologians and individuals.

In an article entitled "30,000 Protestant Denominations?", Evangelical apologist Eric Svendsen exposes the falsehood of this fabrication. Briefly:

  • Svendsen shows that the source of this figure is the World Christian Encyclopedia (David A. Barrett; Oxford University Press, 1982).

    Barrett cites a figure of 20,780 denominations. However not all of them are Protestants. According to Barrett, Protestants account for 8,196 (and incidentally, Roman Catholics account for 223).

    However, even this figure of eight thousand Protestant denominations is misleading, for Barrett defines "distinct denominations" as any group that might have a slightly different emphasis than another group. The distinction is made on the basis of jurisdiction, rather than differing beliefs and practices.

    Barrett breaks down the Protestant bloc into twenty-one major "traditions" which are much closer to what we usually mean by the word "denominations." It is interesting that Roman Catholics are subdivided into sixteen such "traditions."

    Svendsen concludes, "In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly - and, as a result, irresponsibly - glanced at Barrett's work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded."

More about this Roman Catholic lie:
http://www.ntrmin.org/30000denominations.htm
http://www.ntrmin.org/30000denominationsrevisited.htm

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BTW- Calling them "Roman Catholic hoaxes" is a nice touch. I'm glad to know the Catholic Church has managed to pull one over on every encyclipedia and history book in the world.

Sola Scriptura was created in the 16th Century, you wanna deny that?

Sola Scriptura is not found in the bible, you wanna show me otherwise?

Go for it Gary... show me I'm wrong.


You are still avoiding it Gary.

STAY ON TOPIC :)
 
I am on topic... showing you where your original paragraph was wrong.

Please stay on topic. I have addressed each point that is wrong in the paragraph.

If you find something wrong with what I posted, please highlight that and bring it forward.

OK?
 
Gary said:
I am on topic... showing you where your original paragraph was wrong.

Please stay on topic. I have addressed each point that is wrong in the paragraph.

If you find something wrong with what I posted, please highlight that and bring it forward.

OK?

What's a matter Gary, are you unable to show me where in the bible your belief in sola scriptura is?

You called sola scriptura a HOAX, therefore, I am calling you out on it.

If the Catholic Church is wrong on Sola Scriptura, then prove it.
Just show me where... ANYWHERE in the bible sola scriptura is found?

You can't answer it... it is impossible. It is not in the bible.

You sir, have unbiblical beliefs and you can't admit it. You would rather dance around and make excuses. I'm sorry if I am coming off harsh to you, but you have to realize that this heresy is not found anywhere in the bible and people need to come face to face with it. :sad
 
stray bullet said:
There are no prayers to the dead.
Purgatory is suggested in the bible
Indulgences were abused by individual priests. They have not been 'sold'.
A convenient dismissal of the facts as expected.

The simple reality that you of course, and many others, fail to see is that the “church†today is failing in general anyway (When I say church I mean all denominations that follow the essential doctrine that make them Christian). Many churches act like the Pharisees and Sadducees of Jesus’ day in that they act all high and mighty and do not realize how hypocritical they are. In that reality of course comes the false notion that a “church†is better then the lost, well guess what a saved person is no better then an unsaved person. Both are ‘totally depraved’ and in need of a savior, and the only difference of course is that the saved are saved by Christ and will not be condemned to Hell. The sinner be it Christian or not will be punished not only in this life but in the after life as well.

It is a sad truth but often the biggest stumblingly block to a Christian is another Christian. I myself pray for a day when denomination will not be the focus of a Christian and displaying the love of Christ will once again be the central focus.

Well, that is all I have to say because such a topic in my opinion is ultimately unproductive and pointless because at the very beginning is contempt and hatred under the surface. If perhaps the topic where presented in a purely objective manor and the goal of glorifying God were apparent I would think differently, but unfortunately that is not the case.
 
God's Word...First Place, Final Authority!

stray bullet said:
BTW- Calling them "Roman Catholic hoaxes" is a nice touch. I'm glad to know the Catholic Church has managed to pull one over on every encyclipedia and history book in the world.

Sola Scriptura was created in the 16th Century, you wanna deny that?

Sola Scriptura is not found in the bible, you wanna show me otherwise?

Go for it Gary... show me I'm wrong.
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Hey not so sharp shooter,

You have spent to much time in your theology books and not enough time in the real book...The Word of God!

God's Word is the only foundation for the Christian life.

Anything that is exaulted above the Word of God is straight from the devil himself! God and His Word are One. You cannot seperate Him from His Word. In the beginning was the Word...and the Word (Jesus) became flesh.

In anonther post (which is now locked) you asked for proof about the
Word of God being first place, final authority in the believers life.

Here It Is Dude:

Luke 11:28 (Amplified Bible)
But He said, Blessed (happy and to be envied) rather are those who hear the Word of God and obey and practice it! Luke 11:27-29 (in Context) Luke 11 (Whole Chapter)

Matthew 4:4 (Amplified Bible)
But He replied, It has been written, Man shall not live and be upheld and sustained by bread alone, but by every word that comes forth from the mouth of God. Matthew 4:3-5 (in Context) Matthew 4 (Whole Chapter)

Titus 1:8-10 (Amplified Bible)
8But he must be hospitable (loving and a friend to believers, especially to strangers and foreigners); [he must be] a lover of goodness [of good people and good things], sober-minded (sensible, discreet), upright and fair-minded, a devout man and religiously correct, temperate and keeping himself in hand.

9He must hold fast to the sure and trustworthy Word of God as he was taught it, so that he may be able both to give stimulating instruction and encouragement in sound (wholesome) doctrine and to refute and convict those who contradict and oppose it [showing the wayward their error].

10For there are many disorderly and unruly men who are idle (vain, empty) and misleading talkers and self-deceivers and deceivers of others. [This is true] especially of those of the circumcision party [who have come over from Judaism].

Mark 7:13 (Amplified Bible)
Thus you are nullifying and making void and of no effect [the authority of] the Word of God through your tradition, which you [in turn] hand on. And many things of this kind you are doing. Mark 7:12-14 (in Context) Mark 7 (Whole Chapter)

I do not know much about what you call the Sola Scriptura. I am not
theological...I just hear the Word of God and believe it!

Seminary (Cemetery) teaching is just that...dead man's bone taught as truth. :lol: "...professing to be wise they became fools..."

If God's Word is not first place in our lives, then God is not first place in our lives.

Jesus said, in John 17:17 Sanctify them [purify, consecrate, separate them for Yourself, make them holy] by the Truth; Your Word is Truth.

Stop studying your theology books and go back to the Source...God's Word!

Debtfree
Blessed To Be A Blessing Ministries (You can visit my website by typing my ministry name into any major search engine). :-D
 
God's Word...First Place, Final Authority!

:-D Have a nice day!
 
stray bullet said:
This idea is rejected in 2 Peter 1:20, where we are told the first rule of Bible interpretation: "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation." A significant feature of this heresy is the attempt to pit the Church "against" the Bible, denying that the magisterium has any infallible authority to teach and interpret Scripture.

I wish people who quote this verse would quote verse 21 too. Doing so really gives us a better picture of what's being taught here. If we read the whole passage of the Bible where you found this verse, can we honestly come to the same conclusion as has been specified above? I can't understand it the way it's been presented above.

here's verse 21 for anyone who is interested:
21 for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.
Isn't this passage of the Bible really telling us that no man ever created scripture from his own will or from his own understanding? Rather God is the author of all scripture with man being used to record the word of God.

At least that seems to be what is taught when the passage is read as a whole. It seems surprising to me that an entire belief is founded on this one verse by itself when the rest of the scripture seems to indicate something very different.
 
Wildfowler said:
stray bullet said:
This idea is rejected in 2 Peter

I wish people who quote this verse would quote verse 21 too. Doing so really gives us a better picture of what's being taught here. If we read the whole passage of the Bible where you found this verse, can we honestly come to the same conclusion as has been specified above? I can't understand it the way it's been presented above...

At least that seems to be what is taught when the passage is read as a whole. It seems surprising to me that an entire belief is founded on this one verse by itself when the rest of the scripture seems to indicate something very different.

Wildflower,

Nice post. That is exactly what the Scripture is teaching us. All Scripture came through Divine inspiration, and was not the will of man.

True bornagain believers do not question the Word of God. God wrote it but He used people to write for Him, but they were directed by Him in what to write. All other supposed "lost books of the Bible" are not in agreement with the other 66 books that make up the Bible.

This is why we MUST reject them and all who promote such demonic garbage.


Debtfree :-D
 
I don't know that a misunderstanding is to be viewed as demonic garbage.

However....... Unless there are other teachings that support no private interpretation, I really don't recognize that we are being taught such from that passage.

Can anyone correct me on this? Any catholics out there?
 
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