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Probably more compact and easier to carry than a long gun so convenience could have played a role in its development I guess.
 
WIP said:
Probably more compact and easier to carry than a long gun so convenience could have played a role in its development I guess.
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JLB said:
Self Defense.
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You're both right. A pistol is to stop fights. Also, anyone who knew that that'd be fighting for their life this afternoon would undoubtedly arm themselves with a long arm. So they needed a compact version of a rifle because it's just not always appropriate to carry a full sized rifle.

So in essence, a pistol is just a compact rifle. I thought about it like that when considering concealed carry. So if I'm needing a compact rifle, then even the big pistols are mighty compact in comparison. So I carried a full size (5") 1911 pistol for many years. Why not? big pistols are easier to shoot well than small ones.

Or, lol...A pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle, that you shouldn't have laid down in the first place...:nono
 
This thread kinda died, huh? Let's see if we can get it going again, lol.

If a guy wasn't a gun nut, but wanted to keep a very few around for emergencies...Say, three for instance...Which three guns would make up an effective 3 gun battery, in your mind? Only three, but would cover all needs.

My first thought would be, pistol-rifle-shotgun. The pistol for walk around self defense, the SG would cover household defense plus hunting for food, and a rifle for both (big game) hunting and self defense of ones property, or last resort anti-tyranny...I think, lol.

Personally, I'm not a big SG guy. I know that SG's are very versatile depending on which ammo you feed it, but the range is so limited that (in my mind) it becomes largely useless in the out of doors...

So my own 3 gun battery would be one handgun, two rifles. A versatile handgun, (prolly a convertible model), a small caliber rifle (prolly a 223), and a big-bore rifle. That would cover all bases.
 
I like all three platforms, so I would go pistol, rifle, shotgun. Handgun for walking-around insurance, probably a SIG 9mm. Rifle for serious stuff, has to be a Mini-14. Mossberg 500 for the shottie; sometimes I think a powerful but range-limited weapon is useful, like for close-range self-defense but wanting to mimimize collateral damage.

If I could have more, I'd add a revolver, in case I need to arm someone with something less-complicated than a semi-auto. Also a bolt-action deer rifle, good for hunting as well as sniping.
 
Edward said:
This thread kinda died, huh? Let's see if we can get it going again, lol.

If a guy wasn't a gun nut, but wanted to keep a very few around for emergencies...Say, three for instance...Which three guns would make up an effective 3 gun battery, in your mind? Only three, but would cover all needs.

My first thought would be, pistol-rifle-shotgun. The pistol for walk around self defense, the SG would cover household defense plus hunting for food, and a rifle for both (big game) hunting and self defense of ones property, or last resort anti-tyranny...I think, lol.

Personally, I'm not a big SG guy. I know that SG's are very versatile depending on which ammo you feed it, but the range is so limited that (in my mind) it becomes largely useless in the out of doors...

So my own 3 gun battery would be one handgun, two rifles. A versatile handgun, (prolly a convertible model), a small caliber rifle (prolly a 223), and a big-bore rifle. That would cover all bases.
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I'm a subsonic guy, and load my own subsonic ammo, to go along with night vision hunting.

Quiet, unseen.

Anybody hunt pigs?



JLB
 
KevinK said:
I like all three platforms, so I would go pistol, rifle, shotgun. Handgun for walking-around insurance, probably a SIG 9mm. Rifle for serious stuff, has to be a Mini-14. Mossberg 500 for the shottie; sometimes I think a powerful but range-limited weapon is useful, like for close-range self-defense but wanting to mimimize collateral damage.

If I could have more, I'd add a revolver, in case I need to arm someone with something less-complicated than a semi-auto. Also a bolt-action deer rifle, good for hunting as well as sniping.
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I like how you think, that would cover it all. I think the SG is a devastating inside the house gun, but have you ever actually patterned a SG? it isn't nothing like how people say it is. (Don't need to aim, it'll spread and get em anyway...LOL) That is the biggest bunch of bunk that I've ever heard in my life. Bird shot may be good to minimize collateral damage, but there isn't enough room in most typical houses to have enough distance for the shot load to begin spreading, it'll stay together and hit them like a slug all at once. IME, it takes a good 15-20 yards for it to begin spreading. I found out real quick, that one must aim that shottie like a rifle. I'd feel good about having a shottie around the house, but if I gotta step outside onto the porch or further, give me a rifle! I think that handy dandy 223 Remington is a great caliber for the city where there's potential for lots of collateral damage. That teeny little 55 grain bullet from the 223 will break up fast going through building materials to present little hazard to those in the neighborhood, but a 223 on a man will take him out of the fight...or so it seems to me.

This three gun battary is...limiting! I didn't even list any kind of 22 rimfire on me list, and that's bunk. The 22 is very useful. Maybe convertibles are the answer here? Maybe the AR should have a 22 conversion, and one of the handguns be convertible too. They have 1911 type conversion kits and they say that they're pretty good.
 
Edward said:
I've never hunted pigs. It sure sounds fun. Hunting them at night with subsonics and NV sounds...super cool.
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I will send some texts to your phone of some huge Hogs under the feeder, even last night.

I have a wireless trail camera that sends the pictures to my phone.

Do you still have the same cell number?



JLB
 
KevinK said:
Do you use a suppressor?
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Yes.

And I load Match ammo for each Gun.

Subsonic ammo is traveling slower than the speed of sound, and sounds like a pellet gun.
Supersonic ammo through a can is still quiet, but has a crack and sounds like a 22 short.



JLB
 
Edward said:
I like how you think, that would cover it all. I think the SG is a devastating inside the house gun, but have you ever actually patterned a SG? it isn't nothing like how people say it is. (Don't need to aim, it'll spread and get em anyway...LOL) That is the biggest bunch of bunk that I've ever heard in my life. Bird shot may be good to minimize collateral damage, but there isn't enough room in most typical houses to have enough distance for the shot load to begin spreading, it'll stay together and hit them like a slug all at once. IME, it takes a good 15-20 yards for it to begin spreading. I found out real quick, that one must aim that shottie like a rifle.
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Preach it, Brother! Yes, indeed, I have patterned shotguns, and you are right, they need to be aimed like any other projectile weapon. The advantage of SGs for self-defense is limiting long-range collateral damage, has nothing to do with relieving the shooter of the necessity to aim at short ranges (just acts like a slug under about 20 yards, like you said). Also the "stopping power" (however you define that elusive quality).

One of my pet peeves is the number of "urban myths" surrounding firearms, things that get repeated ad infinitum and no-one seems to check their validity. Another one: 2" snubnosed revolvers are only accurate within 10 yards (or so), the bullet isn't stabilized enough for longer distances. The bullet is spin-stabilized after the first revolution; any additional length adds only to velocity, not accuracy per se. I routinely shoot a snubnose .357 Magnum at 100 yards. It's no harder than shooting a rifle with iron sights, with the slight exception being the shorter sight radius. With its flat trajectory (due to the high velocity) I don't even need to use a holdover when sighting (unlike a 9mm at that range).
 
KevinK said:
Preach it, Brother! Yes, indeed, I have patterned shotguns, and you are right, they need to be aimed like any other projectile weapon. The advantage of SGs for self-defense is limiting long-range collateral damage, has nothing to do with relieving the shooter of the necessity to aim at short ranges (just acts like a slug under about 20 yards, like you said). Also the "stopping power" (however you define that elusive quality).

One of my pet peeves is the number of "urban myths" surrounding firearms, things that get repeated ad infinitum and no-one seems to check their validity. Another one: 2" snubnosed revolvers are only accurate within 10 yards (or so), the bullet isn't stabilized enough for longer distances. The bullet is spin-stabilized after the first revolution; any additional length adds only to velocity, not accuracy per se. I routinely shoot a snubnose .357 Magnum at 100 yards. It's no harder than shooting a rifle with iron sights, with the slight exception being the shorter sight radius. With its flat trajectory (due to the high velocity) I don't even need to use a holdover when sighting (unlike a 9mm at that range).
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Lol, I thought I was the only nut who shoots handguns at 100 yards. It's not a normal range for a handgun but one never knows what he might have to do some time. I never really tried it with a snubnose but with 5.5" & 7.5" barrels I do. A 44 mag isn't real hard to hit milk jugs with at 100 yards. I had my wife doing it too. She was hitting milkjugs at 100 yds with my 44 Mag Redhawk 5.5". Not always but a lot of the time.

My hunting rifle had iron sights. (stolen). I put one of those Williams peep sights on a 1895G and a happy trigger kit which turned that rifle into a serious arm. I never have been big on scopes. I didn't buy the kids scopes either, for their huntin rifles. Peep sights all around. How many times have we seen people who have trouble with their scopes...then can't use the iron sights because they never learned with them? I didn't want my kids handicapped like that. My younger son bout crapped his pants when I gave him a Rem 700 adl synthetic youth rifle, with a peep sight on it! But he sure made it work and collected a medium size Elk with it. That was about 80 yards I guess. One shot one kill.

I did have a scope for my A3 flatop, but I only used it for testing ammo at the range then I'd put the handle back on and try to do as good with it as with the scope.
 
Edward said:
Personally, I'm not a big SG guy. I know that SG's are very versatile depending on which ammo you feed it, but the range is so limited that (in my mind) it becomes largely useless in the out of doors...
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In fairness, I should say that when I was a SG guy, I was reloading for them and even casting my own slugs to. I remember being able to increase my SG's range to 100 yds with my cast foster type slugs in reloads with a spoonful of Unique behind them. That load I could keep on a paper plate at 100 yds offhand and with my 18" police trade in barrel. I thought that was pretty impressive,

That said, if any of you guys are loading your SG shells (12 Ga)...I wound up selling off the Mec 12 ga press awhile back but I still have a boxful of reloading stuff for it that I'd let go very reasonable if any of you could use it. I still have the slug mould and the crimper for it. The crimper works on a drill press (I know you have one of those in the garage, lol) and it makes the circular type of crimp that you see on most factory slug loads where you can see the slug in the top and the plastic shell is curled in all around it. Quite a bit of other stuff too. I could easily make a detailed list if you want.
Everything to load slugs is there except the drill press.
 
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