The impact of not really accepting Jesus Christ

[K2CHRIST]

I guess we all feel we know what it means to us, when we don't accept Jesus Christ into our lives, but can we really fully grasp the full impact. I don't think so.

This morning the Lord woke me up and started talking to me about this topic. He specifically was covering the impact it made and the effects on us today, when He was rejected by the people the first time He came. If just that generation had not hung Him on a cross and had accepted Him then, we would not have the book of Revelation and all the disasters prophesied. We are going to have them and we have suffer so much since then, and it could have been changed if only that little group of people had only listen to the Lord instead of want Him dead.

And even to this day, just very little groups of people who do actually seek the voice of the Lord make huge differences!!!

Now seeking the Scriptures is not exactly the same thing. The disciples were being taught by the Lord and He covered Scriptures. But there were also those religious leaders who studied the Scriptures, and they were the ones that wanted Jesus dead. They paid money so that He could be found and brought it.

If that little group, the religious leaders, had not wanted Him dead, and if the relatively little group of people called Jews (but they were still people just like us) had not called out for His death, He would not have to come a second time. If people, just like us and including us, didn't reject Him we don't have wars, sickness, and so forth today. Because He would not have died and because His flesh would not decomposed and gotten old. He would still be walking in the flesh around us to this day. And that would have made a difference.

But I guess we have to learn. We can of course still speak to Him via the Holy Spirit, but some want to kill that message also. We can still get healing via His Holy Spirit, but some want to kill that message also.

Of course there is still the accuser of the saints, and we need to be aware of him too. But it really comes down to accepting and seeking the Lord Jesus Christ, which means listening to Him, and of course test the spirits. See 1 John 4: 1-3 for how to do that. It has something to do with Him taking on flesh, but we people killed that.

 

[Hermit]

Jesus knew from the beginning he was to be crucified.
Luke 18:31-34

 

[reba]

Long before Jesus waked this earth this was written
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The rejection of Jesus the Christ was Gods plan..

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Jesus knew from the beginning he was to be crucified.
Luke 18:31-34

Yeah, that's the sad part isn't it. He came knowing we reject Him. In Rev 3:20 We see that He stands at the door and knocks, and doesn't He know that generally we reject still. But He stands there, still knocking, and knocking, and knocking, and knocking..............

And if we just didn't reject Him, it would change the world!!!

It would start by changing our world!

And it does when we give Him just a little time and listen to Him without cutting Him off. But how much time do we really spend actually listening to the words that come from His mouth to us personally? And how many people even do that at all?

He knew, just like you explained, and still He came. It was written that He was going to suffer, and that because God knows us all too well. My question to us in general, do we know us that well to understand that we reject Him and it causes all the problems in this world. It meant that He suffered and even more than that it really means we suffer and suffer and suffer and suffer........

So what happens if we stop rejecting Him, and start listening to Him, as a group?

 

[reba]

I dont know Christians who reject Christ .

 

[K2CHRIST]

Long before Jesus waked this earth this was written
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The rejection of Jesus the Christ was Gods plan..

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Isaiah wrote after Adam and Eve ate from the tree. Did God plan that too?

I don't doubt that God even knew Adam and Eve would do that, but I don't think it is quite fair to God to say He made a plan that had both men and His only begotten Son suffering. I really think it is best to think of it as a backup plan for men's rejection of His Son. If and since Jesus Christ is the Word that was in the beginning with God, who told them not to eat of the tree?

They rejected the Christ when they rejected the word to not eat of the tree. But if the command was not to eat of the tree, was eating from the tree the real plan? Even if God knew they would eat of the tree, the command to not eat of it indicates another plan was in effect at that time. But they ate, so another plan came forth. A very sad plan that would take into account man's continued rejection of the living Word of God (Jesus Christ)

Someone recently wrote me saying that we all (Christians) hear from God. I wrote back noting that we all (and I mean all of us) don't take time hearing from Him like we should. He forgave us at the cross and we get salvation, but does that mean we still don't reject Him like those who went before us? Even all His disciples fell away from Him. He still loved them, and came back to them.

Yeah, there is a plan of action that God has now, but is that the plan He wants? Isn't it the plan we forced on Him because we people reject Him?

I am thinking that perhaps if we really understand this, we might not reject Him as much. Perhaps we will turn back to Him through out the day, and every day called "Today". Then, I believe we will make a difference.

Yeah I like this verse you quoted:

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

But I don't believe it means we should still think it is ok to go astray and for every one of us to turn to their own way. It maybe covered because of the cross, but that doesn't mean it is ok. It may happen, but don't we have some choice in the matter?

Heb 3:7 So, as the Holy Spirit says; "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion ...

The above verse indicates we do have a choice. Today is the day we hear His voice. He said He would never leave us. So did we actually hear it "Today" or did we harden our hearts? Perhaps we hear from Him a few times and harden our hearts a few times? This is not a message for the people in the past, it is a message for the people of "Today".

 

[reba]

I do not understand how one can be a Christian and reject Christ.. That is not possible ...

 

[K2CHRIST]

I dont know Christians who reject Christ .

I don't think you know a Christian that hasn't rejected Him at some point, and that point is more that we think.

You already provided the verse

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Romans 3:11 There is none who understands, there is none who seek for God

1 Jn 1:8 If we say we have not sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us

1 Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

Christian are supposed to be those who believe in Him, but that does not mean we understand and seek Him like we should. We are still included in the group called "none" by Paul who wrote to the early Christians.

 

[reba]

I understand the Scriptures are not thee authority to you .. For me they are.
Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Christ was slain from the foundation of the world .. According to God's Word.

 

[reba]

I don't think you know a Christian that hasn't rejected Him at some point, and that point is more that we think.

When the wording is changed in the above manor i agree in part to your statement... We Christians mes up we sin.. In my understanding that is not rejection of Christ.. To me an example of rejection of Christ would be Judas.. Peter repented ..

 

[K2CHRIST]

I do not understand how one can be a Christian and reject Christ.. That is not possible ...

Is 30:21 Your ears will hear a word behind you, "This is the way, walk in it," whenever you turn to the right or to the left.

I don't know about you, but there are times when I have literally heard Him talking to me like that. It has kind of been like the voice on the phone that tells you directions as you go down the freeway. 'Turn left in 200 feet on to elm st' But while I have and do at times hear Him talking to me like that, but normally I get busy and forget to listen to Him. And I have meet many Christians that have no idea that it can be like that. I once meet a pastor that told me that he had only heard the small voice of the Lord twice in His entire life.

So how are we really, as a group, when it comes to seeking Him by faith? I think Paul was indeed correct when writing Romans 3:11 There is none who understands, there is none who seek for God.

I think we need to first be honest with ourselves, and realize that applies to us. I have heard it said the to solve a problem you must first realize you have the problem. If I think I am fine by doing what ever I want to do, then am I not going to just go my way?

And again I think your verse applies

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

I love that verse for this thread. It gets right at the heart of the problem, but first we have to see it as a problem, and not ok to just keep turning away from Him, like we do.

 

[K2CHRIST]

I understand the Scriptures are not thee authority to you .. For me they are.
Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Christ was slain from the foundation of the world .. According to God's Word.

I don't doubt that God knew what was going to happen. But that does not change the instruction to not eat of the tree, which still indicates another plan was in effect at that time, even if God knew that plan would not work and had also plan for Christ going to the cross from the foundation of the earth.

And "authority" is not what this thread is about. That is just getting off the subject, but perhaps this verse might help on the question of authority:
Mat 28:18 The Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

So the Scriptures explain Jesus has all authority. And I think the Scriptures are correct!

 

[Hermit]

Yeah, that's the sad part isn't it. He came knowing we reject Him. In Rev 3:20 We see that He stands at the door and knocks, and doesn't He know that generally we reject still. But He stands there, still knocking, and knocking, and knocking, and knocking..............

And if we just didn't reject Him, it would change the world!...

Rejection is based on fearing the consequence of not rejecting. To accept Christ fully is an act of profound faith, because it is about letting go of ALL our fears. All our fears come from our self-will, and not from God's will. For most people that is too scary to contemplate, because what it implies, is that we are totally responsible for all of our own thoughts and actions. Meaning, no-one to blame, no-one to forgive. This world (collective self-wills) is a false reality based on fears (no faith in the Truth).

The truthful person will see that this world is not geared for accepting the Truth. Truth in itself is unconditional, it is or it is not. To change this false world to a True one. God sent His only Son to reveal the Truth unconditionally. Meaning, God sacrificed His only Son unconditionally for anybody who believed in His Son and in His name. It had to be unconditional because that is what Truth is, that is what God is. God does not recognize anything untrue, if He did, the recognition would make the untrue true.

Jesus on the cross said "Father, forgive them for they do not know what they are doing." [Luke 23:34].
I strive to remember to do this too.

As a spiritual mentor once said to me, "Don't worry about how others are, worry about how you are."

 

[K2CHRIST]

Rejection is based on fearing the consequence of not rejecting. To accept Christ fully is an act of profound faith, because it is about letting go of ALL our fears. All our fears come from our self-will, and not from God's will. For most people that is too scary to contemplate, because what it implies, is that we are totally responsible for all of our own thoughts and actions. Meaning, no-one to blame, no-one to forgive. This world (collective self-wills) is a false reality based on fears (no faith in the Truth).

The truthful person will see that this world is not geared for accepting the Truth. Truth in itself is unconditional, it is or it is not. To change this false world to a True one. God sent His only Son to reveal the Truth unconditionally. Meaning, God sacrificed His only Son unconditionally for anybody who believed in His Son and in His name. It had to be unconditional because that is what Truth is, that is what God is. God does not recognize anything untrue, if He did, the recognition would make the untrue true.

Jesus on the cross said "Father, forgive them for they do not know what they are doing." [Luke 23:34].
I strive to remember to do this too.

As a spiritual mentor once said to me, "Don't worry about how others are, worry about how you are."

Just a couple of questions if you don't mind.

My first is: Don't you think it might be best to find out how God thinks you are instead of worrying about how you are?

The second has to do with Jesus saying He was the Truth. How does His statement go with your post? It probably does, but your comments on truth seem a bit mystifying.

Jn 14:06 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life....

 

[Hermit]

Just a couple of questions if you don't mind.
My first is: Don't you think it might be best to find out how God thinks you are instead of worrying about how you are?...

Of course, that is why we need to discern our truth, through faith in prayer and meditation (including introspection) with Christ via the Spirit of Truth. That is how we do a fearless moral inventory of our self, and discover our truth (sins and all).

...The second has to do with Jesus saying He was the Truth. How does His statement go with your post? It probably does, but your comments on truth seem a bit mystifying.
Jn 14:06 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life....

...God sent His only Son to reveal the Truth...

 

[K2CHRIST]

Of course, that is why we need to discern our truth, through faith in prayer and meditation (including introspection) with Christ via the Spirit of Truth. That is how we do a fearless moral inventory of our self, and discover our truth (sins and all).

Ok - So if I understand you right, you are saying Jesus is the Truth because He is the One sent to reveal the Truth. I agree

Then rejecting Him must be rejecting the Truth, correct?

 

[Hermit]

Yes.

 

[reba]

Here are a few people who had the mistaken idea they new more or new better then the Scriptures Cause God told them...
By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding traditional Christianity as "fly away religion", rejecting the Bible as being a tool to oppress women and non-whites, and denouncing a "Sky God" who was no God at all.[1] Jones wrote a booklet titled "The Letter Killeth", criticizing the King James Bible.[4


When Koresh announced that God had instructed him to marry Rachel Jones (who then added Koresh to her name),


Other than the Bible, the majority of the LDS canon constitutes revelation received by Joseph Smith and recorded by his scribes which includes commentary and exegesis about the Bible, texts described as lost parts of the Bible, and other works believed to be written by ancient prophets


Kim said that he had been approached by Jesus on Gangsan mountain, and was given the mission to spread the message of a "new Israel” throughout the world. In the 1940s Moon attended a church in Sangdo dong that was led by Kim.[48] Moon later said that Kim was a "John the Baptist figure".[


Armstrong had the time to take up this challenge. He began what would become a lifelong habit of intensive, lengthy Bible study sessions. He soon felt God was inspiring this, opening his mind to truths that historical Christian churches had not found or accepted.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Here are a few people who had the mistaken idea they new more or new better then the Scriptures Cause God told them...
By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding traditional Christianity as "fly away religion", rejecting the Bible as being a tool to oppress women and non-whites, and denouncing a "Sky God" who was no God at all.[1] Jones wrote a booklet titled "The Letter Killeth", criticizing the King James Bible.[4


When Koresh announced that God had instructed him to marry Rachel Jones (who then added Koresh to her name),


Other than the Bible, the majority of the LDS canon constitutes revelation received by Joseph Smith and recorded by his scribes which includes commentary and exegesis about the Bible, texts described as lost parts of the Bible, and other works believed to be written by ancient prophets


Kim said that he had been approached by Jesus on Gangsan mountain, and was given the mission to spread the message of a "new Israel” throughout the world. In the 1940s Moon attended a church in Sangdo dong that was led by Kim.[48] Moon later said that Kim was a "John the Baptist figure".[


Armstrong had the time to take up this challenge. He began what would become a lifelong habit of intensive, lengthy Bible study sessions. He soon felt God was inspiring this, opening his mind to truths that historical Christian churches had not found or accepted.

Can you tell me if the tested the spirit like 1 Jn 4: 1-3 tells us to????

Note: I believe that is a rhetorical question. People don't test the spirits like the Bible says. There are evil spirits and the Bible has really good information and needs to be studied. You have never seen me say otherwise. But if we have studied the Bible and believed what was written in it, then we would have been seeking after the Lord of lords, Jesus Christ. We would be testing the spirits like the Bible says. And it does not say to lean on your own understanding. It has a specific test.

1 Jn 4: 1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God; every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.

Now look closely at those verses. It is a way to tests "spirits"!! So we are not text people this way but spirits. So if you pick up a spiritual voice you need to test the spirit behind that voice by making sure it confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh!

If you have done that then you would be finding the responses rather interesting. At least I have and I found them interesting. Many just disappear. They were talking to me and I asked them to confess Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, and suddenly all was quite in the spirit realm. I guess that is not so extremely surprising, but it is the first few times it happens. It's like "Wow, this really works." More surprising is when they respond "I can't tell you that." They failed the tests and will sometimes flat out admit they can't tell you that.

Ok, how many Christians are doing that, and do you know that those famous examples did that.?

We are to fear God. We are to test the spirits. But so often I find Christians that fear the devil and put God to the test. If that happens the thinking tends to come out something like: 'Oh that devil and enemy might get me. So I am not going to seek the voice of Jesus Christ, the one I am saying is Lord, because it is probably the devil.' As a result they don't practice hearing with their spiritual ears and that are actually rejecting Jesus Christ. They don't realize it, but they are. Then they usually will start trying to live by their own understanding of the Bible, because they are afraid that any spiritual voice is the devil. So they have wound up trying to live by the Law (what the Scriptures tell them) instead of living like Abraham, who heard from the Lord and did what He said even when there were no Scriptures.

They almost certainly did at some point hear from the Lord Jesus Christ. But they turned by to another gospel ( the Bible saves) instead of hearing by faith. The book of Galatians covered this problem. It was a problem then, so you can be sure it is sometimes is still a problem today

This is what Paul wrote to the Galatians.

Gal 1:6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another

The Bible is really not another gospel, but if we are preaching the Bible instead of using the Bible to telling people about Jesus Christ, we are now preaching another gospel.

Gal 1:16 to reveal His Son in me, so that I might preach Him among the gentiles

So the Son is in us! He did say He would never leave us. So if in us obviously we should be able to hear from Him via the indwelling of His Holy Spirit. And as already gone over, Jesus Christ has been given all authority on heaven and earth. And you will note that we "preach Him".

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you; did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Well, as for me, I listen by faith (not doubt) and I received the Spirit.

AND HERE IS THE BIG ONE:

Gal 3:5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law or by hearing with faith?

The Lord has me working in a Christian healing ministry. Especially while working in that ministry I concentrate on hearing from the Lord Jesus Christ via His Holy Spirit, and doing what He says. Then miracles happen!! And if anyone does not understand what I mean, I mean I literally hear His still small voice giving me instructions and lot of very specific instructions, like get the Kleenex because he is going to wind up in tears. You wouldn't think guys would wind up in tears, but even that is not so uncommon when the Spirit comes down upon them with power. And the Lord can and will often tell you that it is going to happen before it does, and many many other things too.

It is about hearing the Lord Jesus Christ, via the Holy Spirit. Jesus stands and the door and knocks and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door, He will come into them and eat with them (Rev 3:20)

So rejecting the idea of hearing from that still small voice of His is rejecting Him!

 

[Edward]

This is getting good fast. That still small voice...Not everyone can hear it. Hardly anyone I suspect. The Holy Spirit is a Spirit, He comes and bears witness with our spirit. Our spirit speaks to us through our conscience (Romans 9:1).

We have to ask ourselves honestly, how often do we go against our conscience? That's going our own way. If we always made sure to do what our conscience says...then we would have no condemnation, no confusion and begin to be able to hear God more clearly.

Aree we in Christ? Well, do you feel guilt about anything in your conscience. If yes, then you are not in Christ. Better make that right. If no then we can know we are in Christ, and Christ in us.