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Bible Study The Judgement of Christ

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2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

John 5: 21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Some Christians believe in three different judgments:
1. judgment of sheep and goats - Matthew 25:31-33
2. judgment of believers works referred to as the bema seat of Christ - 2 Corinthians 5:10
3. judgement of unbelievers at the great white throne - Revelation 20:11-15

There are not three, but only one final judgment, but two different books opened at the great white throne judgment. Scripture is clear at this time of the great white throne judgment the books that are opened are the book of life where those who are of Christ will be judged for their deeds and receive their promised inheritance of eternal life with the Father as their names were found in the book of life. The other book that is opened is also Christ judgment, John 5:22; John 5:26, 27, of those whose deeds led them to reject Him and they are judged and receive their inheritance of eternal punishment in the lake of fire. God has commited all judgment unto Christ and at His second coming on the last day, John 6:40, all who are alive and asleep in their grave will hear the voice of Christ to rise, John 5:28, 29, and then final judgment is declared. Everyone will stand before God at the great white throne judgment to give an account of themselves as Christ will judge everyone for their deeds. Some will hear "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" and others will hear "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels".
 
aww so the saved stand in judgement with the Lost
Have you never read Matthew 25:31-46?
That's Jesus describing how he will judge when he comes.
He will judge both the righteous and the wicked at that judgment.
Don't believe me.
Read it for yourself.
 
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Have you never read Matthew 25:31-46?
That's Jesus describing how he will judge when he comes.
He will judge bother the righteous and the wicked at that judgment.
Don't believe me.
Read it for yourself.
i have read it and i still stand where i am separate judgement for the Lost vs the saved i will not stand the great white throne judgment of the lost
 
i have read it and i still stand where i am separate judgement for the Lost vs the saved i will not stand the great white throne judgment of the lost
There is only one judgement and it is clearly described in the Mat 25 passage.
Also, when judgment is referred to in the NT, it is referred to as "judgment" (singular) and never as "judgments." (plural)
Mat 25:31 He will sit on the throne of His glory.
Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne
They are both referring to the same thing. (Even if it doesn't make for exciting preaching about two judgments.)
 
There is only one judgement and it is clearly described in the Mat 25 passage.
Also, when judgment is referred to in the NT, it is referred to as "judgment" (singular) and never as "judgments." (plural)
Mat 25:31 He will sit on the throne of His glory.
Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne
They are both referring to the same thing. (Even if it doesn't make for exciting preaching about two judgments.)
separate judgement..i dont do exciting preaching not going to budge on inch
 
Question for the OP and responders, what do you do with Rev 20:4-5 "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection."

This shows 2 resurrections, one of those who reign with Christ for 1000 years and one called "the rest of the dead" after 1000 years. How do you interpret this to be consistent with your interpretation of your other prooftexts?
TD:)
 
i have read it and i still stand where i am separate judgement for the Lost vs the saved i will not stand the great white throne judgment of the lost

If you would study the scriptures I gave in the OP all final judgement is made at the great white throne judgement as God gives to Jesus to separate the sheep from the goats at this time as the books are opened, including the Lamb's book of life. We who are of Christ will be judged separate from the goats, but yet all at the great white throne judgement when all are judged by Christ.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire
 
separate judgement..i dont do exciting preaching not going to budge on inch

What you are not understanding is that it is a separate judgement, but it all takes place at the great white throne judgement.

We who are the sheep will be placed at the right hand of Christ as He says, "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world"

Those who are the goats will Christ place at His left hand as He says "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

Two sets of books, two different types of judgements, both made on that day by Christ at the great white throne judgement
 
Question for the OP and responders, what do you do with Rev 20:4-5 "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection."

This shows 2 resurrections, one of those who reign with Christ for 1000 years and one called "the rest of the dead" after 1000 years. How do you interpret this to be consistent with your interpretation of your other prooftexts?
TD:)

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

All means all, saints and sinners together will hear His voice and rise from their graves for after they are resurrected, some to eternal life and some to damnation, then death and hell are cast into the lake of fire as being the second death, Rev 20:13-15.

I believe a 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
 
What you are not understanding is that it is a separate judgement, but it all takes place at the great white throne judgement.

We who are the sheep will be placed at the right hand of Christ as He says, "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world"

Those who are the goats will Christ place at His left hand as He says "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

Two sets of books, two different types of judgements, both made on that day by Christ at the great white throne judgement
ok i will turn the table what is it you dont understand when i say separate
 
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

All means all, saints and sinners together will hear His voice and rise from their graves for after they are resurrected, some to eternal life and some to damnation, then death and hell are cast into the lake of fire as being the second death, Rev 20:13-15.

I believe a 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

You are still interpreting 1000 years as a "period of time," so the resurrection of those who reign with Christ happens before that "period of time," and the resurrection of the "rest of the dead" happens after that "period of time," and therefore you still get 2 resurrections with a period of time between them. How do you work around this?
TD:)
 
Why should I ask Jim when you are the one who said this. If you don't want to tell me that's fine. I was just curious by what you meant by it.
I think I introduced the term.
I was thinking about preachers who preach messages about exactly what every symbol in Revelation means and shows their charts and power point presentations and keeps everyone on the edge of their seats. Their primary function is to fill the pews and the collection baskets by tickling itching ears with their profound insights into the mysteries of God.
What they peddle as "deep knowledge" is mostly fluff and nonsense, Paul called "winds of doctrine", it but it wow's the yokels.
For some reason, a lot of them are named "Jimmy." Don't know why that is.....
 
You are still interpreting 1000 years as a "period of time," so the resurrection of those who reign with Christ happens before that "period of time," and the resurrection of the "rest of the dead" happens after that "period of time," and therefore you still get 2 resurrections with a period of time between them. How do you work around this?
TD:)

Everything from Rev 19:11 through Rev 20:1-15 takes place on the last day when Christ returns. There is no more days here on this present earth when He returns as all will be finished like in a twinkling of an eye. I already explained the 1000 years being symbolic in its numbering as I do not see it being literal for what would be the need of another 1000 years before Satan is let loose and cast into the lake of fire. What would possibly take place within a literal 1000 years.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
 
I think I introduced the term.
I was thinking about preachers who preach messages about exactly what every symbol in Revelation means and shows their charts and power point presentations and keeps everyone on the edge of their seats. Their primary function is to fill the pews and the collection baskets by tickling itching ears with their profound insights into the mysteries of God.
What they peddle as "deep knowledge" is mostly fluff and nonsense, Paul called "winds of doctrine", it but it wow's the yokels.
For some reason, a lot of them are named "Jimmy." Don't know why that is.....

Thank you Jim for explaining this.
 
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