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Yes I know that. The Law stands there and says "This person did not do what I say and disobeyed me", and the judge then decides on what penalty to give.


Do you believe this will happen on the Day of Judgement, when we are Judged according to our deeds, whether we obeyed what Christ commanded us or not?


31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did itto one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Matthew 25:31-46



JLB
 
What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?


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I purchased the book, Stories with intent by Snodgrass several years ago and in my opinion did a great job summarizing it.

In my own words, we know that Jesus said that all the laws and prophets hung on the two greatest commandments. In summary, these two great commandments are love the Lord and love your neighbor.

The word abolish doesnt mean to do away with as we understand it in English. To properly hear what Jesus is saying, it helps to understand their language.

A Rabbi interpreted Torah and that interpretation was to get as close to the intent as possible. If a Rabbi were to totally miss the intent, it was said that he "abolished" the commandment. In other words, he totally missed the mark. On the other hand, if the Rabbi perfectly interpreted the commandment, he was said to have fulfilled it. We have to remember that these were ideas that HAD to be lived out. They were not simply philosophical ideas.

Jesus starts his sermon on the mound to his Jewish audience basically saying, you have heard it said, but I will tell you the truth of the matter. In other words, here is the correct interpretation.
 
If a Rabbi were to totally miss the intent, it was said that he "abolished" the commandment.

Agreed.

If the Rabbi misinterpreted the scriptures in any way, he was said to be destroying the law, through his misrepresentation of God’s word.

The Torah was to never be abolished.

The law of Moses, however, is an altogether different discussion.

We should never insist that the commandments originated with Moses, knowing that Abraham kept them 430 years before the law.




JLB
 
Jesus starts his sermon on the mound to his Jewish audience basically saying, you have heard it said, but I will tell you the truth of the matter. In other words, here is the correct interpretation.

Yes.

Jesus was unfolding to them, that He was the promised One, spoken of by Moses.

The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,
Deuteronomy 18:15

In addition the righteousness that exceeds is the righteousness of faith, which comes from a one on one relationship with the Lord teaching and speaking directly to each of those whom He dwells in.

A righteousness whose source is the Lord Himself, flowing as a fountain of Life from within the believer, who yields to Him, that He may express Himself through our life, by practicing righteousness, even the righteousness of faith.

The obedience of faith.



JLB
 
Yes.

Jesus was unfolding to them, that He was the promised One, spoken of by Moses.

The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,
Deuteronomy 18:15

In addition the righteousness that exceeds is the righteousness of faith, which comes from a one on one relationship with the Lord teaching and speaking directly to each of those whom He dwells in.

A righteousness whose source is the Lord Himself, flowing as a fountain of Life from within the believer, who yields to Him, that He may express Himself through our life, by practicing righteousness, even the righteousness of faith.

The obedience of faith.



JLB
I too have come to embrace this truth through my studies, experiences and prayer.

Dan Spader put out an excellent workbook called, Walking as Jesus walked which is based on 1 John 2:6. He explores both the message and methods Jesus used which we can model our life. However, this takes faith... faith in action because to a Jew, believing also means doing.

We often breeze through Hebrew 11 but a close study gives us insight to the trials of the ancients. When we understand their trials, we see it was their faith / trust in God that caused them to act in obedience.

To some, obedience conjures up this idea of cohersion. In other words, do it or else, yet we hear Mordecai say,
For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance for the Jews will arise from another place, but you and your father's family will perish. And who knows but that you have come to your royal position for such a time as this?" NIV

God will always find a willing soul to do his good works.
 
An absolutely beautiful song with such a simple, yet deep seated sentiment.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the encouragement, It is my thinking that so many songs to chose from due to inspiration for its context, as long as a person is gifted for the Lord use. Colossians 3:16
 
I purchased the book, Stories with intent by Snodgrass several years ago and in my opinion did a great job summarizing it.

In my own words, we know that Jesus said that all the laws and prophets hung on the two greatest commandments. In summary, these two great commandments are love the Lord and love your neighbor.

The word abolish doesnt mean to do away with as we understand it in English. To properly hear what Jesus is saying, it helps to understand their language.

A Rabbi interpreted Torah and that interpretation was to get as close to the intent as possible. If a Rabbi were to totally miss the intent, it was said that he "abolished" the commandment. In other words, he totally missed the mark. On the other hand, if the Rabbi perfectly interpreted the commandment, he was said to have fulfilled it. We have to remember that these were ideas that HAD to be lived out. They were not simply philosophical ideas.

Jesus starts his sermon on the mound to his Jewish audience basically saying, you have heard it said, but I will tell you the truth of the matter. In other words, here is the correct interpretation.
The above statement is to be prayed about, but I would say from my personal study of the scriptures, I will get back with the above statement, but below is from:

Christ did come to fulfil
 
The above statement is to be prayed about, but I would say from my personal study of the scriptures, I will get back with the above statement, but below is from:

Christ did come to fulfil
Thanks, it was a good read.
For some reason, we gentiles like to look at the law as some terrible thing, even though Paul tells us that the Law is good.
Roman's 7:12 and 1Timothy 1:8 , but both need to be read in their proper perspective.
I can already tell you that somebody has already decided that I am teaching works based salvation. I'm not, so we can rest easy ok.
Jesus didn't look at the Law as a bad thing, and neither did Paul within the proper context.

When Jesus was preaching, he was under the Sinai covenant. However, if you read Israel's history, the author of Hebrew talks about a better covenant. Hebrews 8:6

This "better covenant" was spoken in Jeremiah 31:31 and we see that covenant taking place at the Table. Matthew 26:28

The Author of your link and I come very close to the same end conclusion, but I get there by way of positive affirmation of the Law without having to use the negative passage in Galations to pit against or make a larger point in Matthew 5 that Jesus was trying to express.

The Author you brought up has a lot of great points, and his definition for abolish does fit well with what I said earlier.

In short, the law is no longer binding because we are under a new covenant which makes the old obsolete. Hebrews 8:13

Take care, and keep studying and drawing closer to our Lord.
 
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Thanks, it was a good read.
For some reason, we gentiles like to look at the law as some terrible thing, even though Paul tells us that the Law is good.
Roman's 7:12 and 1Timothy 1:8 , but both need to be read in their proper perspective.
I can already tell you that somebody has already decided that I am teaching works based salvation. I'm not, so we can rest easy ok.
Jesus didn't look at the Law as a bad thing, and neither did Paul within the proper context.

When Jesus was preaching, he was under the Sinai covenant. However, if you read Israel's history, the author of Hebrew talks about a better covenant. Hebrews 8:6

This "better covenant" was spoken in Jeremiah 31:31 and we see that covenant taking place at the Table. Matthew 26:28

The Author of your link and I come very close to the same end conclusion, but I get there by way of positive affirmation of the Law without having to use the negative passage in Galations to pit against or make a larger point in Matthew 5 that Jesus was trying to express.

The Author you brought up has a lot of great points, and his definition for abolish does fit well with what I said earlier.

In short, the law is no longer binding because we are under a new covenant which makes the old obsolete. Hebrews 8:13

Take care, and keep studying and drawing closer to our Lord.
Thanks, it was a good read, and I have casted all my cares upon our Lord for meditation concerning the above. I can understand from your post, that you have been in some deep study yourself. II Timothy 2:15

I'm not trying to go with anyone, as far as with their type of living, just trying to save myself from this generation of vipers: Acts 2:40 40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation."

And doing his commandments: If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:15
 
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Thanks, it was a good read.
For some reason, we gentiles like to look at the law as some terrible thing, even though Paul tells us that the Law is good.
Roman's 7:12 and 1Timothy 1:8 , but both need to be read in their proper perspective.
I can already tell you that somebody has already decided that I am teaching works based salvation. I'm not, so we can rest easy ok.
Jesus didn't look at the Law as a bad thing, and neither did Paul within the proper context.

When Jesus was preaching, he was under the Sinai covenant. However, if you read Israel's history, the author of Hebrew talks about a better covenant. Hebrews 8:6

This "better covenant" was spoken in Jeremiah 31:31 and we see that covenant taking place at the Table. Matthew 26:28

The Author of your link and I come very close to the same end conclusion, but I get there by way of positive affirmation of the Law without having to use the negative passage in Galations to pit against or make a larger point in Matthew 5 that Jesus was trying to express.

The Author you brought up has a lot of great points, and his definition for abolish does fit well with what I said earlier.

In short, the law is no longer binding because we are under a new covenant which makes the old obsolete. Hebrews 8:13

Take care, and keep studying and drawing closer to our Lord.
After in prayer about the above post. I find it to be good meat for that kind of faith experiences. Here a little, and there a little:

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: Isaiah 28:10
 
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After in prayer about the above post. I find it to be good meat for that kind of faith experiences. Here a little, and there a little:

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: Isaiah 28:10
It's good to walk among friends that build us up and encourage growth. Thank you for the music and the passages you've used to express yourself.
 
It's good to walk among friends that build us up and encourage growth. Thank you for the music and the passages you've used to express yourself.
Have a good day or nite until the next time we can come together:

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Ephesians 4:13

http://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-13.htm
 
You as well. Until then, let's continue to speak the truth in love.
Now can we get back to The OP?

What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?
Jesus Christ did all his teaching in words and deeds. But he did not adolish his Law, I think because he leff something for us to do, by following his steps. I Peter 2:21
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31 , and keeping his commandments. John 14:15 and more.
 
Romans 2:15 New International Version (NIV)
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Jeremiah 31:33 New International Version (NIV)
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
 
Romans 2:15 New International Version (NIV)
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Jeremiah 31:33 New International Version (NIV)
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
Amen! Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Ecclesiastes 12:13

The conclusion of The whole matter

How do you see this issue of the OP?
 
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