The Mark of the Beast and the Seal of God - Part One

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  1. kiwidan

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    I dont need to post scripture because I just post what scripture says and people should know scripture.

    You are the one who changed the times and dates. A generation has always been a generation. It didn't simply change with Christ as people decided to make that up. Christ himself said this generation.

    He was to fullfill all things within a generation. Once for Sin and return salvation.
     
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    God is a Spirit, and must be worshiped in Spirit and in truth. So if you say that the Spirit of dwells within your heart, why do you look for the coming of another? The physical appearance that you speak of is will be seen in the Lake of Fire, when the Glory of the Lord shall appear.
     
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    Since we are living in the New Earth and the New Jerusalem has not yet been ushered down from Heaven I guess all things have not yet been fulfilled.
    Do you know every scripture by heart from Genesis to Revelation, I think not as none of us could ever recite them all.

    I never changed anything as Matthew 24 is an outline of future events explained in detail to John in Revelations that Jesus is giving the disciples of things which must come to pass as what was to be fulfilled in that generation was the birth, death and resurrection of Christ. The rest of the end of days prophecy could not be fulfilled until Christ ascended up to heaven to sit at the right hand of God. It's like the parable of the fig tree as the new leaves signified summer is come, (Messiah come).

    Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
     
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    You'll never satisfy them. If you give them the scripture, then they will just look for another scripture to counter it. It seems they are more interested in debating scripture than they are listening to what is being said.

    As far as I am concerned, I want your thoughts and opinions. I can go search the scriptures myself.
     
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    But they are not future events. They were only future events to the people he was speaking with. In Matthew 24 Jesus was speaking directly to a group of people and told them that they would see all those things. He told them the parable of the fig tree and told them when they see all those things the time is near at the door.

    Im not the one who is saying Jesus was not speaking directly to those people.

    If i lived 2000 years ago and was standing there and Jesus told me I would see all those things in Matthew 24, if I was not one of the people standing there to be persecuted, I would expect to see all those things, if not I would call him a liar.
     
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    Christ is in my heart Spiritually not physically and I am indwelled with His Holy Spirit and it is the Spirit that is God that I worship through Christ. I am only looking for the return of Christ in all His glory just as those Galileans who saw Him ascend up to heaven, Acts 1:11, so will we see Him coming in the clouds on the last day in all His glory to gather us to Him, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. Whether in our life or after we are in the grave every eye will see Christ return, Rev 1:7.

    Not sure what you mean by "The physical appearance that you speak of is will be seen in the Lake of Fire, when the Glory of the Lord shall appear." The only physical will be the beast and the false prophet being the son of perdition and all those who have taken its mark being cast into the lake of fire.
     
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    Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to show him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

    Continuing with vs. 7 through vs. 31 Jesus explains all those things which will come to pass before His return, but also told them in vs. 36 and 37 that no man, not even the angels in heaven, but the Father only knows when Christ will return. The disciples did see these things in their lifetime, just as we continue to see them today, but the end still has not come. History does repeat itself with ever generation, just as we have seen these things in our own life, but yet just as all the generations, we still wait for the return of the Lord.
     
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    We will see Him coming in the clouds on the last day. That cloud you will see is the lake of fire. It is the same cloud of fire that Moses saw. That is the cloud that shall appear.

    Zephaniah 1:14-17
    The great day of the Lord is near,
    it is near, and hasteth greatly,
    even the voice of the day of the Lord:
    the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
    That day is a day of wrath,
    a day of trouble and distress,
    a day of wasteness and desolation,
    a day of darkness and gloominess,
    a day of clouds and thick darkness,
    A day of the trumpet and alarm

    against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
    And I will bring distress upon men,
    that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord:
    and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.


    Hebrews 12:18-21
    For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake)

    Deuteronomy 18:15-19
    The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.



    If you have not hearkened unto the words of Christ, if you have not kept your faith in Him, then you shall see the Glory of the Lord coming in the clouds as a burning Lake of Fire.

    Zephaniah 2:1-3
    Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;
    Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff,
    before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you,
    before the day of the Lord's anger come upon you.
    Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth,
    which have wrought his judgment;
    seek righteousness, seek meekness:
    it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger.

    Colossians 3:3

    For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

     
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    We have been down that cloud/lake of fire road before in another thread and no need to go down it again as it is not prevalent to this thread, Ty.
     
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    We as in Christians who are alive when Christ Jesus calls those asleep in Christ to come to Heaven to marry the Lamb Jesus, those who are alive must be changed/transformed because our flesh can not enter Heaven, so that suggests we are traveling to Heaven to marry Jesus the Groom of the Bride. Paul never stated he nor them would b alive, he stated WE, as in the Christians who are alive when Jesus calls us home.

    Again, you confuse this passage also. Jesus said not a word, then the High Priest asked him, are you the Christ, the son of the Blessed One, and Jesus said I am and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power and coming in the clouds.

    You do understand that Jesus both sit at the right hand of power when he ascended to the Father and Returned after he ascended to the Father, and both happened while Jesus' Disciples yet lived and thus the High Priest yet lived. To grasp this we must turn to John ch. 20.

    Mary came to Jesus' grave but of course he was not there, so she was crying and the two Angels asked her why she was weeping. She then turned and a man (Jesus) and he called her by her name, Mary, and she knew it was Jesus and called him Master.

    John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    Then Jesus visited later that day but Thomas was not there, so Jesus visited again 8 days later and Doubting Thomas was there, and Jesus told him what?

    26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

    So Jesus told Mary not to touch him (it would have defiled the Sacrifice) but 8 days later Jesus tells Thomas to put his fingers into his healed up wounds (to touch them). So this tells us Jesus had ascended to the Father, where he sit at the right hand of Power, and had descended to be with the Disciples.

    So my friend, Paul and Jesus told the truth because they are of the truth, it is us who misunderstand in many cases what that truth is.
     
  11. kiwidan

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    Lol. You have totally taken it out of context my friend. You stopped when Jesus said but the end is not yet. Continue reading. Read the whole chapter.

    And even as Jesus said "And this gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come". And he continued speaking.

    And even as Paul said in Romans indeed the word went out and the gospel was preached to the ends of the earth.

    There wasn't a billion nations back then, no one even lived in my nation back then, it didn't need to be preached in NZ, unless they wanted to tell a kiwi bird Jesus come. Maybe a kiwi was there.
     
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    I never noticed this till you brought it to light as it is also confirmed in Acts 1:1-5.
     
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    Um, did I not say continuing with vs. 7 through vs. 31, so no I did not end with vs. 6. Apparently the gospel has not been heard in the whole world yet as the end has not come yet. Many ministries in other countries are still finding hidden villages that have never heard the gospel message so no it has not been heard in the whole world yet.
     
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    They might not find tribes in the deep African jungle. And the gospel would reach nations, not every individual or tribe. Nations today didn't even exist then.
     
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    The gospel was preached.
     
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    Exactly, also when Jesus says (Matthew 16:27-28) there be some standing here this day who will not die until they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom, that could possibly be this since at this time he sat on the throne in Heaven, but I think he was speaking of the Visions that he gave to John (Revelation). So John saw Jesus coming in His Kingdom. Atheist really like that one....The truths are in there we just have to dig them out. Amen.
     
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    If Jesus sat on his throne that means he returned. He only sits on his throne when he returns.

    "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"
     
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    Many will come in my name saying I am the Christ and will decieve many, can be taken in a few context.

    1. People will come saying they are Jesus Christ.

    2. People would come claiming they are the Christ.

    3. People will come saying in the name of Jesus they are annointed.

    4. People would come claiming Jesus is the Christ.
     
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    Jesus sacrificed for mankinds sin and returns for salvation.

    I want to get drunk and praise the Lord and thank God.

    Im drunk as a skunk. All glory and praise to God.
     
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