The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

[savedbygrace57]

So I'm really curious. I don't know if you have children but if not you surely know someone of your faith who does. How do you reconcil the scripture with your belief? It would seem to me that you would not believe this scripture as the child may be a bad seed created by God for evil? How does one carry a child for nine months believing that the child may have been created by God for evil? I am completely serious in these questions I am not being facetious.
Proverbs 22:6

King James Version (KJV)

6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Thats a rabbit trail. Christ did not die for none but the Sheep ! I have a whole thread of explanations for my view, you have ignored every last one of them. Begin addressing some of my posts that I put work into . All you do is quote a scripture 2 Pet 3, no explaining, no study,

 

[savedbygrace57]

ezra

we become his sheep at salvation

The Sheep are Sheep before thy are saved. You ever heard of the Lost Sheep ? Lk 15:6

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

 

[Deborah13]

Thats a rabbit trail. Christ did not die for none but the Sheep ! I have a whole thread of explanations for my view, you have ignored every last one of them. Begin addressing some of my posts that I put work into . All you do is quote a scripture 2 Pet 3, no explaining, no study,

No I have read many of your posts and gone to the internet to study the very things that you believe.
What I see now is evasion on your part. I have asked very straight questions that you appear not to want to answer.
The scripture speaks for itself. I do not need to interpret it.
If you feel that I am not interpreting it correctly please feel free to give me your interpretation within the context of my questions.

 

[savedbygrace57]

deb

What I see now is evasion on your part.

Call it what you will, I am not going to answer it. You show no effort at all in dealing with all the scriptures I have gave to support the Truth.

If you feel that I am not interpreting it correctly please feel free to give
me your interpretation within the context of my questions.

There you go, putting all the work on me. You want me to study and explain what you bring to this thread, without you studying it for yourself and sharing it. Everything I bring, I have given the necessary research to post it.

I am not doing your work. If all you going to do is post a passage like 2 Pet 3:9 and then tell me to explain it ! Sorry !

 

[Deborah13]

Call it what you will, I am not going to answer it. You show no effort at all in dealing with all the scriptures I have gave to support the Truth.



There you go, putting all the work on me. You want me to study and explain what you bring to this thread, without you studying it for yourself and sharing it. Everything I bring, I have given the necessary research to post it.

I am not doing your work. If all you going to do is post a passage like 2 Pet 3:9 and then tell me to explain it ! Sorry !

I'm not asking you to explain the passage. I'm asking you about what you believe in relationship to the questions I asked. You don't have to study anything in order to tell me what you believe or to answer the questions, for the amount of posting you do I'm fairly sure you can you must have some belief or at least thoughts. If not .....hmmmm??

But...oh well, I won't bother you anymore, I got my answer as to whether I would believe your posts were truly trying to teach or something else.

 

[savedbygrace57]

deb

I'm asking you about what you believe in relationship to the questions I asked

I consider that question a diversion, and whatever question I answer requires for me to be scriptural and explanatory. And since you show no effort to put much into your posts, likewise. I have put much more labor into this thread than you have !

 

[ezra]

Thats a rabbit trail. Christ did not die for none but the Sheep ! I have a whole thread of explanations for my view, you have ignored every last one of them. Begin addressing some of my posts that I put work into . All you do is quote a scripture 2 Pet 3, no explaining, no study,

its NOT a rabbit trail you need to answer the question and what if say your parents or your children are not of the elect chosen for salvation? you want us to answer all your questions. but you want to tip toe around ours.......

 

[ezra]

ezra



The Sheep are Sheep before thy are saved. You ever heard of the Lost Sheep ? Lk 15:6

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

yup i have read about the lost sheep... but we still become his sheep AFTER salvation .. thats like saying i am going to clean my act up then get saved... NOT ..also you have took scripture and redefined the words.. yes i am more than familiar with your way of believing. but i totally reject it..

 

[savedbygrace57]

Scripture that teaches limited atonement !

A scripture or passage that does teach the definite or particular redemption is Gal 4:4-5

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Notice for whom Christ came to specifically to redeem ' To redeem them that were under the Law [a specific people] that we [those under the law] might receive the Adoption of Sons ! Now what can be more particular than this phraseology used by the Spirit of God through the chosen Apostle, Paul says that WE [Believers] who were under the Law, might receive the Adoption of Sons [New Birth]. Now this Adoption was predestinated to occur Eph 1:4-5, and who was it that was predestinated to the Adoption of Sons ? It was the Chosen in Christ before the foundation, Eph 1:4 So this confirms the definite intention of Redemption for a definite People !

 

[ezra]

So this confirms the definite intention of Redemption for a definite People !

in your own mind.... i have yet to meet a full pledged die hard Calvinist to ever admit error in scripture .

Romans 5:8
New International Version (NIV)
8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:6-11
King James Version (KJV)
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

i have used scriptures we can,t be be sinners made sinless first and then saved ..its saved then made sinless by the Blood of Jesus of course to you this is a rabbit trail. the we is us after salvation . keep twisting you might convince somebody.. but it won,t be me..i have studied this out debated it --E mail correspondence this.. in fact the man gave up after i wouldn't budge ..so this aint my 1st rodeo . i noticed you never answered the part of your family being the elect..

 

[WIP]

These continued personal attacks are too much. Thread closed.