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This thread is the same as I have seen on many other forums.

ok, with your premise of ,"without exception."

Give me one verse that says Jesus died for His elect "without exception" And I can hold you to the same Eisegesis that you use and PROVE to you that I am right. 1 John 2:2

What a disservice you are doing to the body of Christ. But you do bring out hyper calvinism so well that the subtle untruths in reformed theology are easier to see for us all. So it is a blessing in disguise.

On another forum I saw a great quote from someone, you will most likely remember it:

You do such a great job at refuting everything you say, that if I were to debate you, I would just give you all my allotted time so you can refute yourself.

How many times have you copied and pasted this stuff?
 
If this were a soccer game and I was the referee, I'd issue team yellows to both benches and send them all off for a one-minute cooling off period.

(Putting in a context non-soccer fans can grasp, I'd issue bench technicals to both teams and call an official's time out.)
 
I would say the OP's argument was refuted, but continues to build straw man arguements based on his own circular reasoning throwing in an equivocation here and there to escalate the argument.
 
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Stone-yarder said:
Really?

2 corinthians 5;15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

The definition of "all" is everybody. To easy, what else you got?
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Where is the previous verse?

2 Corinthians 5:14-15
14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.

He died for all who died in Him (verse 14). Christ died for all believers.
In Christ, believers die to sin (Romans 6:1-14)
 
Not sure what you mean, are you asking me why I didnt post the previous verse?
 
The elect are the one's who choose to believe in God, or those specially willed by God to perform a good work.

While free will and predestination are splitting issues among denominations, the Church has always held that we choose within Divine Providence. That is to say, free will and predestination simply coexist.

Of course we are not saved without exception- that would take away the entire object of justice and righteousness. Hell shouldn't even exist if that were the case, you see.

One is subject to Hell in the event of living in mortal sin (living outside the New Covenant). Jesus did not promote lawlessness, only an alternative to the Old Law which we, as fallen beings, cannot endure in hopes of reaping eternal salvation.
Christ's sacrifice cannot be reaped in one's life if they do not obey the commands thereof. Christ's righteousness is fused by the believer's faith and obedience, not involuntarily imputed upon and after declaration. One can lose their salvation, it is just that simple.
 
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eden

The elect are the one's who choose to believe in God,
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Thats false. The Elect are the Ones that were Chosen to believe in God ! Isa 43:10

Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

One comes to Believe in God by Jesus Christ 1 Pet 1:18-21

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
 
I'm not sure how that works, but before I was a sheep, I was a goat, and an aweful goat at that, then I accepted the gospel, and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, and He transformed me into one of His sheep...........So did Jesus die for a sheep or a goat
 
2 Peter 3:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward,that any should not willing that any perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 
vocal

So did Jesus die for a sheep or a goat
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Jn 10:15

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life[Or Die] for the sheep.
 
vocalyocal said:
I'm not sure how that works, but before I was a sheep, I was a goat, and an aweful goat at that, then I accepted the gospel, and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, and He transformed me into one of His sheep...........So did Jesus die for a sheep or a goat
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Jesus died for all
 
Deborah13 said:
2 Peter 3:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward,that any should not willing that any perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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Applies to the Sheep. They shall not perish Jn 10:28

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
 
savedbygrace57 said:
The Sheep !
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bahhhhhhhhhhhhhh he died for all............................... salvation is a free gift available to all who call up on him for salvation from a true heart...... i realize you reject that.. but i was to guess all your family is the elect. he has elected us to salvation..........John 6:37

Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of John 6:37.


All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. "we just have to go to him.." Romans 3:24 and are "justified " " freely" by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus . the price was paid at calvary .he died for the worst of the worst of the vilest sinner to the john a moral q . sorry salvation is not a wait and pick and chose deal. like the price is right..:readbible
 
savedbygrace57 said:
The Sheep !
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So I'm really curious. I don't know if you have children but if not you surely know someone of your faith who does. How do you reconcil the scripture with your belief? It would seem to me that you would not believe this scripture as the child may be a bad seed created by God for evil? How does one carry a child for nine months believing that the child may have been created by God for evil? I am completely serious in these questions I am not being facetious.
Proverbs 22:6

King James Version (KJV)

6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
 
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