The papcys foundation

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  1. barelohim

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    The Catholic hierarchy states Matt 16 as their foundation to the papacy to todays Pope. But scriptures states " that all things are to be confirmed by two or three witnesses."

    I find however that more witnesses speak against such falicy and find it hard to imagine, that a whole hierarchy, for hundreds of years have leaned on this foundation as the truth.

    [1] Mark and Luke were both at this meeting with Jesus and Cephas/Peter, and they don't relate that Cephas/Peter was made head of the Church by Jesus.

    [2] Cephas/Peters own letters don't mention this either.

    [3] Pauls epistles don't even hint at this being so.

    And to say Cephas/Peter was in Rome,
    Acts 18:
    1 After these things he departed from Athens, and came to Corinth.
    2 And he found a certain Jew named Aquila, a man of Pontus by race, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had commanded all the Jews to depart from Rome: and he came unto them;

    Seven years after Pauls conversion he was led to go to Jerusalem to meet with the apostles, and Peter was there.
    Fourteen years later Pauls again went up to Jerusalem to meet up with the apostles, and Peter was there also.

    So as I see it, Matt 16 Jesus was speaking of the " revelation from God " as to the rock by which He will build the Church, not Cephas/Peter....

    And since the Lord isn't partial to any, as to one above another.
     
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    That's the way I see it too.
    It was Peter's statement of faith and truth upon which Christ would build His church: "You are the Christ; the son of the living God." not the person of Peter. ( Mat 16:16; Mar 14:61; Luk 4:41; Jhn 6:69)

    Jhn 20:31 ... these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

    Act 4:10-12 “let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. “This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

    Mat 21:42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
    ‘The stone which the builders rejected
    Has become the chief cornerstone.
    This was the LORD's doing,
    And it is marvelous in our eyes' ?


    Mar 12:10 “Have you not even read this Scripture:
    ‘The stone which the builders rejected
    Has become the chief cornerstone."


    Luk 20:17 Then He looked at them and said, “What then is this that is written:
    ‘The stone which the builders rejected
    Has become the chief cornerstone'?


    1Pe 2:6-7 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,
    “Behold, I lay in Zion
    A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
    And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”[fn]
    Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,
    “The stone which the builders rejected
    Has become the chief cornerstone,”


    Eph 2:19-22 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
     
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    Yes, and the whole Catholic Hierarchy stands on the Matt 16 foundation to justify the papacy! Meanwhile leading literally millions astray..
     
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    The Catholic Hierarchy stands firmly on the teaching of scripture that states that the ministers of the church are the deacons, the elders (who have been called priests since the late 1st century) and overseers. (Greek: EPISCOPOS; English: BISHOP)

    I notice that you do not also observe the millions led astray by modern, American, Protestant pop-Christianity which teaches people not to bother doing good works in spite of Jesus' very clear statements to the contrary.

    "People in glass houses should not throw stones"?

    iakov the fool
     
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    Ephesians 4: states that the gift to the church is the apostles, prophets, evangelist, pastor, and teacher. For this purpose...
    11 And he gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12 for the perfecting of the saints, unto the work of ministering, unto the building up of the body of Christ:
    13 till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    I don't care what the first century christians said, there is no way of telling if they were even christians. I believe what the scriptures alone tell me. Paul wrote by inspiration.....that the Galatians had gone beyond the WORD to follow another gospel.....
     
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    o my you just kicked the golden cow of religion over ...for the record i agree with you
     
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    Ephesian 4:11 And he gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12 for the perfecting of the saints, unto the work of ministering, unto the building up of the body of Christ:
    13 till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    T
    his is what I see in a mirror, changing little by little every day...
     
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    Let me clarify. This thread is closed for review because it violates the Termis of Service. Since there was a report on my "Closed for review" post, I'm re-posting for clarification. Here's the issue:

    10) Discussion of Catholic doctrine is allowed only in the One on One Debate and End Times forums. (ToS 2.2)
    RCC content in the End Times forum should relate to End Times beliefs. Do not start new topics elsewhere or sway existing threads toward a discussion or debate that may be viewed as ‘Catholic’ in nature.

    Discussion of Catholic doctrine is limited and will only be allowed in the One on One Debate Forum and End Times forum only. RCC content in the End Times forum should relate to End Times beliefs. Do not start new topics elsewhere or sway existing threads toward a discussion or debate that is may be viewed as ‘Catholic’ in nature.

    Therefore this thread is closed and won't be reopened per the TOS. Direct your questions to TWITS forum .
     
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