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Has anyone ever tried the concept of self talk or affirmations? I used to steer clear of the idea because of it's occult connotations with the occult and usually any christian leader that seemed to discuss the idea came off as a wolf to me, not because of affirmations, but their overall doctrines.

As I go through life it seems like there is always a grain of truth that works, but is perverted into some other ideology such as a name-it-and-claim-it ideology. So when I think about Job's murmuring about the righteous and evil either prospering or failing, I think is it possible that the godless can reap. the benefits of divine laws of nature? Perhaps this is the reason why a demonic concept of mediation gets applied to prayer.

Back to affirmations, it's popularly a new age concept that you have the power to manifest what you speak, pushing one into the satanic danger of calling themselves a god.

But thinking about it both from a natural and biblical perspective, the scriptures do say "the power of life and death are in the tongue". I think there is a psychological benefit of speaking positive things, to the point that it perhaps goes into your subconscious, effecting your mindset, causing you to act in better ways, and thus it becomes a "self fulfilling prophecy".

I read a book called Gorilla Mindset recently by Mike Cernovich, whom I can't quite say I'd endorse, but I found good advice therein. He talks about basically forcing itself to change your frame and state of mind. How you perceive circumstances, and how you can control your emotional state.

I find the idea of "affirmations" useful in simply speaking and thinking positivity in the recognition of negative thinking.

And the concept of self-talk I like better because it's kind of like affirmations, but it's a more cerebral exercise. It forces you to reason with yourself about your mindset and actions. And it starts with little things, such becoming more absolute about what you tell yourself (e.g. Not "I should," but "I will," or not "I'm trying" but "I am doing"). And putting a reason for motivation. "I will get to bed earlier because I want to see the sunrise, feel refreshed, wake up to earlier opportunities, and potentially avoid future health complications".

Think big, start small, stay humble.
 
Affirmations in New Thought and New Age terminology refer to the practice of positive thinking and self empowerment. It is a blab it and grab it false teaching that comes from these occults that disquise themselves as a religious order. In a sense it is like using your own mental thoughts to bring about anything you want no matter how you achieve it.

This is what Christ says:
Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. (read the whole Chapter)
 
Affirmations in New Thought and New Age terminology refer to the practice of positive thinking and self empowerment. It is a blab it and grab it false teaching that comes from these occults that disquise themselves as a religious order

I agree with you here, as I said above

it's popularly a new age concept that you have the power to manifest what you speak, pushing one into the satanic danger of calling themselves a god.

However pursuing positive thinking is biblical

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Philippians 4:8 KJV

I was simply saying a practice of self talk, in the sense of...

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

And

Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

To get us in the mindset to work us toward

that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2 Thess 3:10 KJV

You can't manifest something into your life as if you are God, but you can change your mindset and actions to work towards bigger goals.
 
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Anyone who has the mindset to achieve anything in this life also has to work towards that goal, but also many think God is going to hand them everything they want on a silver platter scenario of blab it and grab it.

Much of what you are saying about self talk reminds me of the teachings of the Universal Church of God of which I hope you are not a part of. Universal Church of God is a Metaphysical Fellowship Church embracing all religions, all cultures, and all philosophies. As an autonomous New Spirituality Church as they teach a Theology built upon the foundation of Truth as revealed in the Spiritual teachings of the World's religions, while also celebrating and assimilating the contributions and insight of Science, the Arts and Philosophy.
 
Anyone who has the mindset to achieve anything in this life also has to work towards that goal, but also many think God is going to hand them everything they want on a silver platter scenario of blab it and grab it.

Much of what you are saying about self talk reminds me of the teachings of the Universal Church of God of which I hope you are not a part of. Universal Church of God is a Metaphysical Fellowship Church embracing all religions, all cultures, and all philosophies. As an autonomous New Spirituality Church as they teach a Theology built upon the foundation of Truth as revealed in the Spiritual teachings of the World's religions, while also celebrating and assimilating the contributions and insight of Science, the Arts and Philosophy.
I am neither a part of that. Also I did my best to steer clear of being assumed to be a a follower of the "prosperity gospel" which is no different than most gospels (falling under works based lordship salvation).

I think a lot of Christians however fear prospering in the least form by falling into the gnostic error of demonizing the corporeal world.

embracing all religions, all cultures, and all philosophies. As

Also, I want to reiterate myself to say that it's actually the other way around. I believe the world religions are beyond wrong. Satan is subtle, but he's not original. There is nothing new under the sun, so he can only pervert God's truths. This why some religions have the perversion of a dying and rising savior, or perversions of resurrection, for example re-in-carn-ation. Jesus said ye must be born again into the spirit, while Satan says to be born again and again into the flesh. Hence rein-, or again into, carnation, or the carnal flesh. I wouldn't stop praying just because a new ager says prayer is a form of meditation. Meditation is a perversion of prayer.
 
I think there is some value in the idea that your attitude has an impact on your health and your actions. It doesn't mean you can get whatever you want, but it can at least help you cope more healthily.
 
Here's an example. Let's say there's someone with aspergers. He has social complications. In his mental perception he comes to believe that he can't do anything right. He can't make friends. This mindset he really believes. Now he decides to make an effort to improve him self. He decides to change his mindset. "Maybe I can talk to people". He begins to reason with himself, "Well, if I take a step back, and see how people socialize, I can see that I'm withholding myself because I'm doing x, y and z. I can make a friend if I make the effort to do x, y, and z. I believe I can't and that I'm weak because I'm scared of this or that. I don't have to fear this, in fact perhaps another is just as nervous, " so on and so forth.

Is God now looking down at him as some occult Satanist because he decided to make a self-improvement effort, and that's too worldly? Should he just continue in his self-belittlement because having friends is too worldly of a pursuit? Perhaps he should go naked, live in the woods, and not even dare to think he could go for a college degree.
 
I don't think God would ever look down on someone that was deciding to make steps to improve their life and in fact, I firmly believe if this person prayed over their fears, perceived shortcomings, asked for help and guidance and sought answers from God's Word, He will walk with them every step of the way.
Moses was being asked by God himself in a burning bush to go to Pharaoh - he was given a rod that could turn into a snake to show how serious God was about this mission - and he still resisted because he was worried about his public speaking skills. God will give you what you need, but you often have to change your heart and bring your thoughts into captivity.

On another note, here are several places in the bible where people talk to themselves or reason within themselves - for good or bad:
Psalm 14:1
Luke 12: 16-21
Matthew 24:48
Luke 18: 9-14
Luke 15: 17-19
Psalm 42: 3,5,11 and 43:5
Psalm 103: 1, 2, 22

2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Hope this helps!
 
I don't want to sound judgmental or anything--and, keep in mind, in my community, I'm labeled "Schizophrenic," and I'm currently dependent on my parents and disability--but I think -all- parts of Mental Health, Inc. are dangerous.

Psychiatry is more -obviously- dangerous than psychology or counseling, but...watch out. Dr.Thomas Szasz, the libertarian, brilliant psychiatrist who wrote The Myth of Mental Illness in the late 50s/early 60s, also wrote a less popular but (to me...) equally important book in the 70s or 80s, The Myth of Psychotherapy.

Mental Health, Inc. is basically a false religion, one that has the power of the state behind it, at that. In psychology and counseling, self-help, etc. the focus in decidedly -not- on God. The focus is on self, on the past, on inner-(whatever), and the driving ideology is godless, secular philosophy from different "experts" in the field, over time. One therapist might favor Jung, especially if they have affluent, self-pay clients/patients who have the time, money, and inclination for Jungian analysis (or, more often...a watered-down, modern rip-off...). Another might prefer the current "gold standard," cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT). CBT seems to be more popular in more short-term treatment that's covered by insurance, and in people with less severe labels/diagnoses. Thing is...

counseling, psychotherapy...is basically a very, very expensive conversation. I've personally gotten more out of my own writing and talking with a friend The Lord blessed me with (her name is Verna and she's in her 70s) than I did out of however much "treatment" I had with "experts" over the years, voluntarily and involuntarily. The other thing is...

personally, I was led down the path to destruction by people in Mental Health, Inc. Legal stuff arose out of it, which is one reason why I'm now labeled "Bipolar I, high(er) IQ" as opposed to the alphabet soup (ODD, ADD, NPD, etc.) I had going in years past (my parents were blessed w/ higher status...so they sprang for a good lawyer...). Point is...

there's really -nothing- a therapist can say that a genuinely concerned, caring human being cannot. I think a lot of this Mental health stuff is just selling conversation, selling compassion, selling hope, to people who are wandering around, aimless, hopeless, friendless, adrift.

I'm kind of thinking...genuine believers -can- counsel (provide godly wisdom) to other believers, if The Lord leads them to do so, as He did with Verna towards me. In Mental Health, Inc...on a good day, its often the blind leading the blind, and its often also power tripping, labeling, shaming, stigmatizing, controlling, destroying (trust me on this...).

don't sell your soul for self-esteem. pray, read Scripture, pray for good, solid Christian mentors and teachers. think more of the other person, and do not reject The Word for worldly "wisdom," no matter how appealing.

And...that is all. ((off soap box)) :)
 
In everything just be honest with yourself. The New Age mindset has gotten us to this stage with a bunch of narcissists walking around. And entitled people. If you know Christ you will just be honest. None of us are that wonderful and all of us are walking on equal ground. I mean, we should feel loved only because we know "who" love is.

I don't let negative thoughts prevail because I know I'm loved by God. I also don't let my head get too big because I know everyone is in the same boat.
 
In everything just be honest with yourself. The New Age mindset has gotten us to this stage with a bunch of narcissists walking around. And entitled people. If you know Christ you will just be honest. None of us are that wonderful and all of us are walking on equal ground. I mean, we should feel loved only because we know "who" love is.

I don't let negative thoughts prevail because I know I'm loved by God. I also don't let my head get too big because I know everyone is in the same boat.
But the concepts I talked about can be found in scripture and aren't new age.
 
1 John 4:19 We love because he first loved us.

Love stretches to others and yourself, but it is not a fake love that inflates oneself........it is humble as you stated.
 
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