WalterandDebbie
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The Sabbath and which day is it on?
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Friday evening and Saturday till sundown.
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His_nee (Jeff)
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"go to" church, or "be" ekklesia ?
Obadiah
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Aren't they the same thing, only in different languages? I say I'm "going to church" a lot and what I mean is that I am going to a place where Christians are going to meet to worship God. I think that's what most english speaking Christians mean. I'm not sure what you mean by "be" ekklesia, but ekklesia is simply the greek word meaning a gathering of people in a public place. In a Christian context, it's referring to an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting. In other words, "going to church" and "going to ekklesia" mean the same thing.
There is no specification of what day of the week or what kind of public place that "ekklesia" occurs.
What does "be ekklesia" mean?
But on the topic of the sabbath, that's a different thing. As has been said, the sabbath is from Friday evening until Saturday evening. My question would be are Christians required to observe the sabbath as it was in the Old Testament? Or are we simply to gather for fellowship and worship wherever or whenever we can?
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His_nee (Jeff)
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as far as i know, simply, ekklesia is the ones called out , set apart, by Yhwh, from the world from sin from death, in the body of Christ Jesus in Righteousness and holiness(set apartness) .
i.e. 'born again' believers
not a building(which you may not have meant, but i see ekklesia as "we are ekklesia" who live immersed in Yeshua by grace from and in ABBA) --- one of the very first things i unlearned was that we don't "go to" church, we are church, in biblical terms. the development of the word 'church' (as a building to go to) has ruined a lot of peoples trusting n Jesus and faith to seek Him and live in HIm, and misconstrued entirely the meaning and purpose of Life in Christ Jesus.
i.e. 'born again' believers
not a building(which you may not have meant, but i see ekklesia as "we are ekklesia" who live immersed in Yeshua by grace from and in ABBA) --- one of the very first things i unlearned was that we don't "go to" church, we are church, in biblical terms. the development of the word 'church' (as a building to go to) has ruined a lot of peoples trusting n Jesus and faith to seek Him and live in HIm, and misconstrued entirely the meaning and purpose of Life in Christ Jesus.
Obadiah
Member
According to greek dictionaries, ekklesia simply means a gathering of people in a public place.
But, yeah, I think you're talking about people who think God lives in the church building and things like that. So they "go" there to pay their respects to God, to pray to Him, or whatever, when in reality they should be constantly doing these things wherever they are or whatever day of the week it happens to be. They don't understand what worship and a relationship with God truly is. Is that what you are talking about when you refer to "going to" church?
For those who understand Christianity we know that the word "church", like many english words, has more than one meaning. It refers to the "body of Christ" but can also refer to a physical building where Christians meet for worship, and can also refer to an earthly organization of religious people (not always "Christians"). This is just semantics, and what is important is what people mean when they say they are "going to church".
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agua.
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This is my Sabbath rest thank You Jesus.
Mat 12:8 KJV For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Heb 4:8-11 KJV For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. (11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Mat 12:8 KJV For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Heb 4:8-11 KJV For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. (11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
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His_nee (Jeff)
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a perfect rest, as Yhwh planned , also. just as it is written.
and in the same Scriptures, Yhwh gives other instructions also, that just as Yhwh rested on the seventh day, ... well, you know where it is i guess.
and in the same Scriptures, Yhwh gives other instructions also, that just as Yhwh rested on the seventh day, ... well, you know where it is i guess.
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His_nee (Jeff)
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(although almost no one remembers "work six days" ) (no matter if paid or not)
Man needs a day of rest during the week.
When we take a day of rest, we also know that there will be a 1000 year rest for the saints, when He comes.
JLB
Sandy Zalecki
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Sabbath to me, not some theological explanation or anything, is when you rest is Jesus. I do that on Sunday. We go to church in the morning, have a meal, and then spend the rest of the day just resting, reflecting on the past week, and planning the weak ahead.
WalterandDebbie
Sabbath Overseer
But according to that is called out to do the Sabbath on the 7th.day/Jewish is on Friday sunset until Saturday with the civil calendar, Exodus 20:8, Lk. 4:16/as his custom was and also in Acts 17:2 http://triumphpro.com/newsflash_006.htm
WalterandDebbie
Sabbath Overseer
But according to that is called out to do the Sabbath on the 7th.day/Jewish is on Friday sunset until Saturday with the civil calendar, Exodus 20:8, Lk. 4:16/as his custom was and also in Acts 17:2 http://triumphpro.com/newsflash_006.htm
TOG
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[quote="Obadiah, post: 928411, member: 3311"My question would be are Christians required to observe the sabbath as it was in the Old Testament? [/quote]
What did Jesus say about the Sabbath?
Jesus goes on to say that the Sabbath was "made for man". So God made the Sabbath for man. It's a gift He has given us. Why do we ask whether we are required to receive this gift? Have you ever heard anyone ask "Are we required to be healed?" or "Are we required to be blessed financially?" It's hard to answer questions like that, because the questions themselves don't make sense. The Sabbath isn't a burden God has placed on us, but a wonderful gift that He has given us. It's not a requirement, but a delight.
What did Jesus say about the Sabbath?
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”(Mark 2:27-28 ESV)
Most people tend to emphasize verse 28, which says that "the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath". Many seem to think that this somehow abolishes the Sabbath, but the truth is something entirely different. Far from abolishing it, these verses show how highly Jesus thought of the Sabbath. People seem to over look one word in verse 28 - "even". He is lord of everything, even, the Sabbath. That wording shows a very high regard for the Sabbath. But what I want to point out is in verse 27. Jesus starts by saying "The Sabbath was made". If it was made, then who made it? The very next verse says that Jesus is lord of the Sabbath, so it's logical to conclude that Jesus made it. If not, then the Father made it and made Jesus lord over it. Either way, since Jesus is God, then we can say that God made the Sabbath.
Jesus goes on to say that the Sabbath was "made for man". So God made the Sabbath for man. It's a gift He has given us. Why do we ask whether we are required to receive this gift? Have you ever heard anyone ask "Are we required to be healed?" or "Are we required to be blessed financially?" It's hard to answer questions like that, because the questions themselves don't make sense. The Sabbath isn't a burden God has placed on us, but a wonderful gift that He has given us. It's not a requirement, but a delight.
The TOG
tim-from-pa
Member
I'm with the OP. But despite that, do we really need another Sabbath thread? Those of us who know the true day of the Sabbath need not convincing. Any other day is due to calendar issues (and a lot of rationalization). Or to put it another way, as Daniel would say, the times were changed. Thank God there are some here who understand the calendar and Sabbaths. But then again, I'm a person obsessed with time so I guess proper time-keeping comes naturally to me, lest I inflate myself portraying myself as being extra righteous. I'm just compulsive. 