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This is the problem. There is a person, Jesus Christ, and because we call the Scriptures the Word of God, people start reading their Bible and think the sacred writings that we call the Bible, are the person whose name is called The Word of God.

If that happens, who is a person supposed to get to know Jesus Christ the person? It would happen. So we are no longer preaching Jesus Christ but the Bible.

There is the Father, Son, and Spirit. One of the names for the Son is "The Word of God" It is His name.

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called "The Word of God"

This is the person we usually call Jesus Christ. The One that the Father spoke of saying, This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-please. 'LISTEN TO HIM'. (Mat 17:50

And His sheep hear His voice. (Jn 10:27)

His words He speaks to us are spirit (Jn 6:62) And the come from the Spirit, who does not speak on His own initative but as He hears from the Lord Jesus Christ He, the Spirit, speaks them to us. So the Spirit takes the words of God, that belong to the Son, from the Son and speaks them to us. (Jn 16:13 -15)

The Spirit act kind of like a living telephone line to the Son. So just like you can hear the voice of a friend when you talk to them on the phone, you can hear the voice of Jesus Christ, the person, when you are in the Spirit. And the Scriptures (your Bible which we also call the Word of God, bringing in confusion) explain all this to us. So it is that the Scriptures (the scared writings) are able to give you wisdom that leads to salvation which is by faith in Jesus Christ, the person. (2 Tim 3:15)

So we see that the Scriptures (Graphe in Greek) are good for study, for reproof, for correction, for training, and for teaching! But they are not the Son of God who was in the beginning with God and is God. He, the Son, took on flesh and walked among men in the flesh. He, the person, came to those who should have known Him, but they killed Him. We should know Him, and He is a "Him" not a 'book', but instead of receiving Him, we search the Scriptures thinking in them we have eternal life instead of coming to Him.

Jn 1:11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life

That is what happened, and the problem still exists. We have access to the Son via the Spirit of God. But we search the Scriptures which were written to give people the wisdom to seek the Son by faith, but we search the sacred writing instead of seeking Him. So we have replaced the Son of God, Jesus Christ, with our understanding of the Sacred writings. And if you replace God with a physical item, it is call idolatry. We have made an idol out of the Bible! So we don't come to know the Son.

Many on that day will say the healed the sick in His name, cast our demons in His name, and prophesied in His name, and He is going to tell them, I never knew you. And Hell is hot. But He won't tell me that I never knew Him. We talk.

This morning is Monday morning, and I have a business which I have to get the weekend order out for. So I was planning on getting right to it, but He My Lord told me to go to the forum and see if there wasn't a response on there that needed to be answered.. Like the son who first says 'no', but goes a does it. I reluctantly went to my computer, and only because He my Lord told me to. That instruction did not come from the Bible, it was spoken to me from the One I know. The first words He ever spoke to me were "Read your Bible" but life is so much more that just reading your Bible, and He will talk to you about all of it, so He is not your Bible! He is the Word that was in the beginning with God, is with God, and is God - the Son.
 
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This is the problem. There is a person, Jesus Christ, and because we call the Scriptures the Word of God, people start reading their Bible and think the sacred writings that we call the Bible, are the person whose name is called The Word of God.

If that happens, who is a person supposed to get to know Jesus Christ the person? It would happen. So we are no longer preaching Jesus Christ but the Bible.

There is the Father, Son, and Spirit. One of the names for the Son is "The Word of God" It is His name.

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called "The Word of God"

This is the person we usually call Jesus Christ. The One that the Father spoke of saying, This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-please. 'LISTEN TO HIM'. (Mat 17:50

And His sheep hear His voice. (Jn 10:27)

His words He speaks to us are spirit (Jn 6:62) And the come from the Spirit, who does not speak on His own initative but as He hears from the Lord Jesus Christ He, the Spirit, speaks them to us. So the Spirit takes the words of God, that belong to the Son, from the Son and speaks them to us. (Jn 16:13 -15)

The Spirit act kind of like a living telephone line to the Son. So just like you can hear the voice of a friend when you talk to them on the phone, you can hear the voice of Jesus Christ, the person, when you are in the Spirit. And the Scriptures (your Bible which we also call the Word of God, bringing in confusion) explain all this to us. So it is that the Scriptures (the scared writings) are able to give you wisdom that leads to salvation which is by faith in Jesus Christ, the person. (2 Tim 3:15)

So we see that the Scriptures (Graphe in Greek) are good for study, for reproof, for correction, for training, and for teaching! But they are not the Son of God who was in the beginning with God and is God. He, the Son, took on flesh and walked among men in the flesh. He, the person, came to those who should have known Him, but they killed Him. We should know Him, and He is a "Him" not a 'book', but instead of receiving Him, we search the Scriptures thinking in them we have eternal life instead of coming to Him.

Jn 1:11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life

That is what happened, and the problem still exists. We have access to the Son via the Spirit of God. But we search the Scriptures which were written to give people the wisdom to seek the Son by faith, but we search the sacred writing instead of seeking Him. So we have replaced the Son of God, Jesus Christ, with our understanding of the Sacred writings. And if you replace God with a physical item, it is call idolatry. We have made an idol out of the Bible! So we don't come to know the Son.

Many on that day will say the healed the sick in His name, cast our demons in His name, and prophesied in His name, and He is going to tell them, I never knew you. And Hell is hot. But He won't tell me that I never knew Him. We talk.

This morning is Monday morning, and I have a business which I have to get the weekend order out for. So I was planning on getting right to it, but He My Lord told me to go to the forum and see if there wasn't a response on there that needed to be answered.. Like the son who first says 'no', but goes a does it. I reluctantly went to my computer, and only because He my Lord told me to. That instruction did not come from the Bible, it was spoken to me from the One I know. The first words He ever spoke to me were "Read your Bible" but life is so much more that just reading your Bible, and He will talk to you about all of it, so He is not your Bible! He is the Word that was in the beginning with God, is with God, and is God - the Son.
Our Lord certainly did guide you well brother in writing that teaching of his. Well done good and faithful servant. :clap:hug
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#43
This is the problem. There is a person, Jesus Christ, and because we call the Scriptures the Word of God, people start reading their Bible and think the sacred writings that we call the Bible, are the person whose name is called The Word of God.

If that happens, who is a person supposed to get to know Jesus Christ the person? It would happen. So we are no longer preaching Jesus Christ but the Bible.
problem yes your out in left field .the scriptures testifies of Jesus. see your point in there is no need to read the Bible . yes one can be saved and no read the Bible ...but you will never have a understanding of a relationship . you give very bad advice
 
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problem yes your out in left field .the scriptures testifies of Jesus. see your point in there is no need to read the Bible . yes one can be saved and no read the Bible ...but you will never have a understanding of a relationship . you give very bad advice
Just sarcastic, right?

There are lots of reason to read the Bible, and I have mentioned lots of them already,

So we see that the Scriptures (Graphe in Greek) are good for study, for reproof, for correction, for training, and for teaching!
So, as I mentioned and is confirmed in the Bible; the Scriptures are good for study, for reproof, for correction, for training, and for teaching. That is a lot of very good reasons for reading the Bible but that is not all. Obedience is another very good reason. Perhaps you didn't notice where I wrote.

The first words He ever spoke to me were "Read your Bible"
The Lord is wise. In fact we see Him called Wisdom, in proverbs. So He is probably going to tell you read your Bible. And He is probably going to talk to you about it, He is also called Teacher, and it is written that they will all be taught of God.

So reading the Bible is wise, That is not the problem. The problem is making it about reading the Bible instead of knowing the Lord. That is the problem. If someone has a problem, do we as Christian say 'read your Bible', or do we say 'talk to the Lord Jesus Christ?' Perhaps we might say both, but the emphasis must be on getting them to talk to Jesus Christ if we are indeed Christians. But that is not what I see happening.

Often, when I have told people Jesus Christ is the Word of God, so we need to listen to Him, I have gotten the sarcastic response 'So, we shouldn't read the Bible, huh? The above post is not the only time. But why? Why does that happen?

The Bible clearly calls Jesus Christ the Word of God. That is His name, He is called that all over the Bible. (Gen 15:1 ... the word of the Lord came to Abarm in a vision saying...) So anyone reading and studying the Bible read and studied that Jesus Christ is the Word of God. And if they are indeed talking to Him and hearing from Him everyday that is called "Today", which they would have also read and studied, must certainly understand that Jesus Christ is called the Word of God because His sheep hear His voice. So again, why does that happen?

I think it could only be happening because they don't hear His voice and thus they don't know Him as The Word of God!

But I don't believe that is entirely their fault. I believe our zeal for God has to often turn to knowing the Bible instead of the knowing the Lord!.

John was zealous for Jesus Christ. He walked with Jesus while Jesus was in the flesh here on earth. He must have known Jesus Christ as Jesus, but he starts off an account about Jesus - In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. John, who walked with Jesus know Jesus as "The Word". We don't.

So we don't sound like John. We don't call Jesus the Word. And because of that we get that silly theology of about the Sacred Writings being in the beginning with God and being God. How silly is that! There is something written about strange fire, and this concept that the writing were around before the event written about is strange indeed. What does that have to do with being wise? Is that the truth? They have a zeal for God, but not because they know the Lord but because they search the Scriptures thinking in them they have life.

This problem was even recorded in the Bible..

Rm 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvations. For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes

Christ, not the Bible, is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. You have to know Him!!

Rm 10:6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "DO NO SAY IN YOU HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?" (that is, to bring Christ down)

They don't know Jesus Christ as the Word of God because they have said in their heart, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?) So they conclude that because He is in heaven they can't talk and hear from Him today. So they feel they must rely on their Bible as the Word of God, and so get offended and sarcastic about their belief in the Bible, because they don't know the Lord.

How then can they be helped, except to explain the problem. Perhaps over and over, patiently until they get the message.

2 Tim 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction

My friends. Jesus Christ is the Word!! We preach Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. He still talks to us today, via the Holy Spirit (who is not the Bible, but the Spirit) You can have a personal relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ. You can walk and talk with Him. You can and should get instructions, wisdom, knowledge, and truth from Him everyday called Today. He will almost certain tell you to read your Bible, but your life is not made up of reading your Bible! You can hear Him in the streets, you can hear Him in the shower, you can hear Him at work, you can hear Him at play. He will never leave you. So is it about knowing the Bible or about knowing Jesus Christ? What does the Bible explain to us?

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

It is a conversation with the Lord. It is a personal relationship in the true meaning. But to all seven churches it was written, "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. God made the heavens and the earth, so if you have a physical ear you already have a spiritual ear. Why do they have to be told to let us hear what the Spirit has to say?
 
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I disagree. In point of fact the article that takes but one minute to read helps to inform you of your error in your question, and your presumptions based on your lack of understanding the phrase, 'well done good and faithful servant."
Well I disagree. The Bible clearly states that the Lord will say those words as perfect judge. Your post doesn’t address your use of the words only the Lord is able to legitimately speak.

Your second query was offensive and I will not give it attention other than to say that. Please do not repeat the personal attack through implication against my faith. Thank you.
There was no personal attack.
 
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As those are the words the Lord will speak as the perfect judge, perhaps we should refrain from using them of each other.
If you’re part of the Church, you won’t hear this from the Lord because it’s His faithfulness that preserves you, not your own."
The comments above amaze me. If you know the Lord you have to know He is an encourager. He not only reproves those He loves but He also encourages us. He is the good Father.

And as for the judgement have we not read;

For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind.

And "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

So there is a judgment, but He already came into this world, and he who hears His word has already passed out of death into life. So have you not already hear Him encourage you be telling you "well done" after you have done what He has asked. Do you not see? Do you not have ears to hear, now?
 
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So, after I make the post above He tells me to take walk with Him. He wants to talk. There is a judgment, to be sure. But when? We don't know, or do we?

He was talking about a knowing in our spirit. He was talking about how if a person is talking about a day of judgment coming in the future, then are they not aware, in their spirit, that they still face such a judgment? So they have not yet passed out of death and into life! They know that in their spirit, and it is so.

Yet He pointed out how His words are spirit and are life. So if a person has His words (or did He say word? I can't remember exactly) inside them, then they must already have life. And He asked something about, 'If a person walks and talks with Me, will that be taken away from them? Perhaps the flesh has to go. How will that survive? Yet I am about the relationship, so can that not survive?"

He is what I know. I know a person that walks and talks with me. He teaches, reproves, and encourages me. He asks me to do things, like take walks with Him, and listen to Him.

He asks me to do things like work in a Christian healing ministry. It meets once a week, and on the day He usually asks me to go and usually needs to encourage me to go. Because I have things I could do that make money, and I don't think I am very good at dealing with the people who need help, and I think He surely has more faithful people to do it than me. But He tells me He needs me, and somehow gets me to go. So I go and I try to listen extra well while doing that ministry. Miracles often happen, but I always come away thinking about how I must have messed things up. And so, He usually asks me to sit with Him a while after the ministry is over. We talk.

And also most always He says something like "Well done faithful servant." He is a person and not an ungrateful person. And so He tells you "Well done" and will call you faithful. And He does not judge you when you are waling and talking with Him. He does teach and reprove you, but He doesn't make you feel judged but loved. So when we talk after the ministry He almost always starts with a word of appreciation for me just because I went like He asked. Then He will often correct me, when I thought something didn't go well, and He will often show me how something could have gone better if I had done this or that. He teaches me. And if with me, certainly He is that way with everyone listening to Him. How could it not be?

Then I read what is often written and it is easy to see that they are leaning on their own understanding of the Scriptures instead of their relationship with Him, our loving Lord Jesus Christ. It is clear to see that the Scriptures have become the Word of God to them, and not Jesus Christ the person who said His sheep hear His voice. Thus they present their thoughts as truth inside of Him.

I read, "If you’re part of the Church, you won’t hear this from the Lord because it’s His faithfulness that preserves you, not your own." and it makes me sad. Because they have total misrepresent Him. You didn't choose Him, He choose you, but if chosen you know His love, concern, and care. You know He encourages, You know He will call you faithful, simply because you hear Him and did what He told you to do. Yes, it is His faithfulness that made it all possible, but you still have choices. You can listen and do what He asks or not. I can go to the healing ministry like He personally tells me or not. I can seek Him and what He has to say to me or not. My best efforts in regard to what He has to say to me personally maybe filthy rags to Him, but He'll take them and be appreciative. And if anyone truly knows Him they know this.

My friends, if you seek the voice of the Lord and go and try your best to do what He told you, then you are faithful even if you messed it all up because your best efforts are like filthy rages to Him. So He, being One who loves and encourages you, will tell you something like, 'well done faithful servant', and you will know in your spirit that you have passed out of judgment and into life. You will know that He will not judge you. You have already passed through it. But if you haven't heard that and in your spirit you believe a judgment is still coming, are you not right? You have not passed through and it still awaits. You know that in you spirit. You have not heard His words that are spirit and are life. But perhaps you have read the Bible.
 
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WELL DONE, GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT
"If you’re part of the Church, you won’t hear this from the Lord because it’s His faithfulness that preserves you, not your own."

I understand what you meant be your statement. Some people just don't understand the expression of humility. Just as the scriptures say we shall be judged according to our works, I already know that I have no righteous works, so I will not be judged according to my works.


Well I disagree. The Bible clearly states that the Lord will say those words as perfect judge.
Well done thou good and faithful SERVANT. Are you still a SERVANT? If you are part of the true Church, that being the body of Christ, then are you not called a SON? Is there a scripture that say's well done thou good and faithful SON?

The comments above amaze me. If you know the Lord you have to know He is an encourager.
I have no reason to question whether you hear from the Lord or not. But your comment about being in amazement? What is amazing about it? That you pride yourself on being able to hear the words of God for yourself, but you can't hear it in others? As you say, the Lord is an encourager, and if you hear from the Lord, you should be also, But the only way you can do that is if you first listen for the word of God in others. It's there, even if they don't know it. But you can't encourage it if you don't first listen for it.




Well done thou good and faithful SERVANT, for you shall rule.....


Blessed are those who overcome, for they shall INHERIT all things; And I shall be his God, and he shall be my SON. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you......


I have no doubt that Justicewolf understands this, but for the others who mocked his word, please understand one simple thing: The SONS have AUTHORITY over the SERVANTS. So can a SON say well done thou good and faithful SERVANT? I would suppose so.
 
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This is the problem. There is a person, Jesus Christ, and because we call the Scriptures the Word of God, people start reading their Bible and think the sacred writings that we call the Bible, are the person whose name is called The Word of God.

If that happens, who is a person supposed to get to know Jesus Christ the person? It would happen. So we are no longer preaching Jesus Christ but the Bible.

There is the Father, Son, and Spirit. One of the names for the Son is "The Word of God" It is His name.

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called "The Word of God"

This is the person we usually call Jesus Christ. The One that the Father spoke of saying, This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-please. 'LISTEN TO HIM'. (Mat 17:50

And His sheep hear His voice. (Jn 10:27)

His words He speaks to us are spirit (Jn 6:62) And the come from the Spirit, who does not speak on His own initative but as He hears from the Lord Jesus Christ He, the Spirit, speaks them to us. So the Spirit takes the words of God, that belong to the Son, from the Son and speaks them to us. (Jn 16:13 -15)

The Spirit act kind of like a living telephone line to the Son. So just like you can hear the voice of a friend when you talk to them on the phone, you can hear the voice of Jesus Christ, the person, when you are in the Spirit. And the Scriptures (your Bible which we also call the Word of God, bringing in confusion) explain all this to us. So it is that the Scriptures (the scared writings) are able to give you wisdom that leads to salvation which is by faith in Jesus Christ, the person. (2 Tim 3:15)

So we see that the Scriptures (Graphe in Greek) are good for study, for reproof, for correction, for training, and for teaching! But they are not the Son of God who was in the beginning with God and is God. He, the Son, took on flesh and walked among men in the flesh. He, the person, came to those who should have known Him, but they killed Him. We should know Him, and He is a "Him" not a 'book', but instead of receiving Him, we search the Scriptures thinking in them we have eternal life instead of coming to Him.

Jn 1:11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life

That is what happened, and the problem still exists. We have access to the Son via the Spirit of God. But we search the Scriptures which were written to give people the wisdom to seek the Son by faith, but we search the sacred writing instead of seeking Him. So we have replaced the Son of God, Jesus Christ, with our understanding of the Sacred writings. And if you replace God with a physical item, it is call idolatry. We have made an idol out of the Bible! So we don't come to know the Son.

Many on that day will say the healed the sick in His name, cast our demons in His name, and prophesied in His name, and He is going to tell them, I never knew you. And Hell is hot. But He won't tell me that I never knew Him. We talk.

This morning is Monday morning, and I have a business which I have to get the weekend order out for. So I was planning on getting right to it, but He My Lord told me to go to the forum and see if there wasn't a response on there that needed to be answered.. Like the son who first says 'no', but goes a does it. I reluctantly went to my computer, and only because He my Lord told me to. That instruction did not come from the Bible, it was spoken to me from the One I know. The first words He ever spoke to me were "Read your Bible" but life is so much more that just reading your Bible, and He will talk to you about all of it, so He is not your Bible! He is the Word that was in the beginning with God, is with God, and is God - the Son.
I've known plenty of Christians who believe in the Bible. And the way they talk when discussing the Lord is as one absent from knowing what it is to be in the grace filled feeling of God. They defer all things to the Bible. They don't believe God speaks anymore but through the Canon. And if it isn't in the Bible nothing that anyone says as to their personal encounter with God's will for them means anything. They almost call people like that a liar.
They confuse the John chapter one verse with thinking it is talking about the Bible and not God himself. Jesus was God. Try to get them to understand that. Even when pointing out that his earthly mother was told to name him so that everyone who heard the name would know her son was their God. God with us. God, who came to life through the will of God upon an earthly human woman, but a son who had his fathers blood and spirit inside.
Reading the Bible is wonderful. Living what it says in my own life is awesome.




Our Lord certainly did guide you well brother in writing that teaching of his. Well done good and faithful servant. :clap:hug
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Amen!
It's a shame when fellowship is molded into conflict by that which is fond of contentiousness.
 
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Well I disagree. The Bible clearly states that the Lord will say those words as perfect judge. Your post doesn’t address your use of the words only the Lord is able to legitimately speak.
Uncalled for an personal

There was no personal attack.
I see it differently.

I understand what you meant be your statement. Some people just don't understand the expression of humility. Just as the scriptures say we shall be judged according to our works, I already know that I have no righteous works, so I will not be judged according to my works.
Thank you. Very well said.





I have no doubt that Justicewolf understands this, but for the others who mocked his word, please understand one simple thing: The SONS have AUTHORITY over the SERVANTS. So can a SON say well done thou good and faithful SERVANT? I would suppose so.
:thumbsup Beautiful. You do know what I mean. God leads us into all truth brother. Isn't that grand?
 
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The comments above amaze me. If you know the Lord you have to know He is an encourager. He not only reproves those He loves but He also encourages us. He is the good Father.

And as for the judgement have we not read;

For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind.

And "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

So there is a judgment, but He already came into this world, and he who hears His word has already passed out of death into life. So have you not already hear Him encourage you be telling you "well done" after you have done what He has asked. Do you not see? Do you not have ears to hear, now?
I take it as a lesson God wants me to learn from one that does not know what the Lord is saying in, well done good and faithful servant, and so judges me for knowing and invoking that passion in a thread and toward a brother. While at the same time casting aspersions on me for judgment as they judge.
The word of God is a lamp unto my feet. I am not surprised that it lights the message the father intends me to receive from it in my real life.Guidance as to how to see, to cope, to understand, and to respond. Though I know God and know his eternal spirit within me because he speaks to us daily, I am still humbled and amazed to watch the deep measure of his word reflect a foreknowledge of my world as it unfolds just as he said in his word. It is one of the great joys of my life to empty my presumptive spirit thinking I know, and watch him show me who he is for me to see in my moment to moment living.
 
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Well done thou good and faithful SERVANT. Are you still a SERVANT? If you are part of the true Church, that being the body of Christ, then are you not called a SON? Is there a scripture that say's well done thou good and faithful SON?
I agree with Paul that I am also a servant:

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (ESV)

1Co 7:22 For he who was called in the Lord as a bondservant is a freedman of the Lord. Likewise he who was free when called is a bondservant of Christ. (ESV)

Gal 1:10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ. (ESV)

Why do you disagree with Paul? Are you trying to please man? If Paul was wrong here, where else is he wrong? Should we trust anything he says?

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion: Greetings. (ESV)

Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (ESV)

Are James and John wrong too? John even mentions other servants? Is that only select servants or is that all believers? Can we trust anything the NT says?

I have no doubt that Justicewolf understands this, but for the others who mocked his word, please understand one simple thing: The SONS have AUTHORITY over the SERVANTS. So can a SON say well done thou good and faithful SERVANT? I would suppose so.
Seeing as how sons (and daughters) are also servants, do you care to restate this?
 
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I have no reason to question whether you hear from the Lord or not. But your comment about being in amazement? What is amazing about it? That you pride yourself on being able to hear the words of God for yourself, but you can't hear it in others? As you say, the Lord is an encourager, and if you hear from the Lord, you should be also, But the only way you can do that is if you first listen for the word of God in others.
Listen in others?? You mean ourselves don't you?

RM 10:8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, in your mouth and in your heart" that is the word of faith which we are preaching

I hear the Lord speaking to me from inside me!!!

Ok, there are times when I can tell that someone else must have heard from the Lord, but He spoke to them and I could not listen for the word of God in them!! He spoke to them!!

How do you not know this? When He speaks to me, others do not know what He told me!! I can tell them what I heard, and perhaps they, because they have practice hearing the Lord speaking to them, will know I was telling them correctly when I said I hear from the Lord, but they can not listen to the word of God being spoken in me!!

This is what amazes me. Surely Christians a hearing the small voice of the Lord speaking to them personally. And just a surely they then must understand that when He is speaking to them personally, it is not something others can hear. That is; I have conversations with the Lord, back and forth, and other people around me do not know of it. It is personal between Him and me. And even if I let the words that come from Him come directly to my mouth, do they understand it is Him talking to me personally?

And what does any of this have to do with pride?

Jesus said He stands at the door and knock and if anyone hears his voice...

So is being just anyone a reason for pride. Though not listening to the Lord, who is speaking to everyone who is anyone, is foolishness. So I am amazed at the foolishness of those who are saying they know the Lord and don't listen to Him, even enough to know He encourages us "today", by saying "Well done" when we do what He asks today.

So when I wrote "amazes me" it was not pride but a desire to get anyone who is not listening to Him to listen to Him" What did Paul write to the Galatians and why?

Gal 1:6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel.
Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law or by hearing with faith?

So Paul was amazed that they were deserting Him, and was pointing out that they received the Spirit by hearing with faith! But you are not supposing Paul meant hearing the word in him, do you? He meant hearing the word by faith within themselves, didn't he? And thus we are back to the difference between the Scriptures being the Word of God, or what we personally heard spoken to us through the Spirit as being the Word of God.

I am not trying to hear what God has to personally say to me in others, like those who wrote the Bible. But rather I am trying to hear what God has to personally say to me by paying attention to the voice in my heart and which sometime I find coming out of my lips because it was in my heart! And that just like the Bible explains. But that has nothing to do with pride, because "Anyone" can and should be doing the same thing. So is it my pride or someone else's foolishness that we are talking about?

Yes, like Paul, "I am amazed that people are so quickly deserting Him who calls them. That is just foolishness. And they desert Him for a different gospel, which is not really another. The Bible is not really another gospel, but if you stop hearing by faith and turn to leaning on your own understanding of the Bible, to determine what works you are going to do, what part of the Spirit of God to you have then?

Obviously, if they were hearing the Lord telling them to do things, and then did them, they would also be hearing Him encourage them with words like "Well done". Because He not only gives us personal instructions, to anyone willing to listen, but also encourages us when we follow through with what He says! But I hear those words of both instruction and encouragement personally spoken to me and I hear them inside of me, not others!
 
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IT IS AMAZING!

The Lord was talking to me about the above. He also finds it amazing that He has sent His Son and His Spirit so that anyone who believes can now have personal relationship, meaning they can have a conversation with God, yet not everyone is taking the opportunity to get advice from Him.

Obviously God knows more than us! He is God! And now a way has been made, if you care to believe, to talk to God and get advice from Him. Yet that is not what we do. We instead lean on our understanding instead of seeking His voice. Our foolishness it simply amazing!

Ok, perhaps someone doesn't know about this! I guess if you don't know you can't be thought a fool because you didn't know. But what about Christians? What about those who read the Bible? And what about those that have heard and been called by God then turn back to leaning on their understanding? How can we say they are not foolish? How can we not even be amazed at that foolishness. We can hear from God, and anyone who has read the Bible read that. And we have been called by God, or did we not understand that is what happened to make us accept Jesus Christ as our savior, but we start making it about read the Bible as opposed to listening to Him? How is that not foolishness.

Paul came across a group of Christians which were doing this exact same thing, And Paul was not hard on them, as someone might think, when he wrote them;

I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you [fn]by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; (Gal 1:6)

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, (Gal 3:1)

Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (Gal 3:3)

The Galatians had heard the call from God, and instead of hearing by faith they went back to leaning on the Scriptures. And so we today we call the Scriptures the Word of God when the Scriptures call Jesus Christ the Word of God! We think the Jesus saying "Well Done" is something that will happen in the future instead of hearing Him tell us that today? Do you not understand that Jesus, thought the Spirit give us those encouraging words today? And if not, isn't it because you are not hearing from Him and doing what He asks today?

So now someone think I am prideful to being this issue up today. So what do that think of Paul who brought this issue up in his day? Hypocrites, you think Paul a great men of God and fail to realize God caused him to write and kept his writing for you to read today. What did Paul have to do with that? And what happens today? Do you know Paul today? Do you know me today? What do I care of you knowing me, and what did Paul care of you knowing him today? Get to know the Lord, people. That is the message. Of that I care, that all should come to know Him!

It is not my great advice you need, or is it? Perhaps you do need my great advice? My advice is that you come to know the Lord and listen to Him, because you need to know Him. He name is called The Word of God!!! And He stands at the door and knocks, so that if anyone (anyone of you included all that could be called 'You') can now start up a relationship with Him, the Word that was in the beginning with God and who is God. The Word that took on flesh, died on the cross, forgave us our sins, rose again, and sent His Holy Spirit who speaks what He hears. So you can hear from the living Word of God who says things like, 'Well done" when you listen to Him and do what He says to you personally. But amazingly, you don't hear those words, and it is because you don't hear His words and do what He tells you.

Instead, to a group of Christians, the Scriptures have become the Word of God, instead of Him. They have heard the called, but amazingly they are preaching the Scriptures instead of Him who speaks if they listen.

Did they not read:

But the Scriptures has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. (Gal 3:22)

or when they read did they not think the question was to them;

This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? ( Gal 3:2)

And the Father who said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased, LISTEN TO HIM" (Mat 17:5), and who made it possible for anyone to hear His Sons voice via the Spirit is still amazed to this day that we don't. Maybe not surprised, because we are a stiff necked people, but amazed never-the-less.

My friends, the person who is full of pride is the person that thinks they know better that God!! And why do you not listen to God and instead lean on your own understanding, except that you think you know better than God. It has got to be that or that you don't believe in God. So what is it. Do you think you know better than God, so you don't need to listen to Him, or do you not believe that the Omni-present loving God is really with you?

Yeah, I have some pride. I get busy and just start doing what I think is best. But not so much that I don't also seek Him and His advice and also do it. So I have heard Him say "Well Done", and not because I did such a great job, but only because I listened and did what He told me.. And I have heard Him also call me 'faithful' when I was thinking I clearly didn't work as hard at what He told me to do as I should of.

He is an awesome person to know. So kind. So wise. So understanding. So it is amazing that everyone is not seeking His voice, at least everyone how has read about Him in the Bible!
 
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