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The Seals of Rev 6

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One Scripture does not a doctrine make.
Yes, The Church, the body of Christ is all one in the body of Christ. He is speaking of the Church in the Epistles of the NT. The nation of Israel and the House of David will be rebuilt to her former glory after He has called out the Church with the Gentile.(Acts 15:13-18)
Soooo Israelites are not in the body of Christ?
 
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Acts 15:15 "And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,"

The prophets declared this hundreds of years prior.

Acts 15:16 " `After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:"

James is quoting from Amos 9:11, 12; "In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:"

Amos 9:12 "That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by My name, saith the Lord That doeth this."

That remnant of Edom, and all the heathen nations which will be called out, are being called out today. They are taking a new name, and that name is Christian, after "My Name, saith the Lord that doeth this." God is using men and women to preach and teach to Gentiles, and when they hear the voice of the Holy Spirit talking to them, they believe.

God tells us in Amos 9:9; "For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth." It doesn't matter where these people of the house of Israel are, or even those to be grafted in, God knows where each of them are, and he will sift all nations to find his own, those that will believe on the name of Jesus Christ, and by faith repent of their sins and follow His ways, shall find salvation.

Acts 15:17 "That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom My name is called,' saith the Lord, `Who doeth all these things.' "

It is the wish of the Lord that not only the men of Israel, and Adomites take His name, but people of all races and nations will come to seek after the Lord. Those that call on the name of the Lord, call on Jesus' name, and they are the ones that shall be saved. James is quoting again here from the Old Testament, back in Amos 9:12.

Acts 15:18 "Known unto God are all His works from the beginning of the world."
 
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Where are they now?
They are in their land and God is calling them back (Ezekiel 36:18-38) , even as He dispersed them. (Deut. 28:63-68). Study the Scriptures, there is no mistaking their meaning. It is strange how men will follow the doctrines of men (Israelism) over clear Holy Script.
 
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They are in their land and God is calling them back (Ezekiel 36:18-38) , even as He dispersed them. (Deut. 28:63-68). Study the Scriptures, there is no mistaking their meaning. It is strange how men will follow the doctrines of men (Israelism) over clear Holy Script.
I do,that's how I know only Judah returned,along with those that call themselves Jew's but are not,the ones that don't believe in Christ

What would you have us do with Judah,as scripture clearly distinguishes them?
 
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Israel now comprises the Christian nations,that's why they are the Church
All the Nations that are saved will (in the future) (Rev. 21:1-27) bring their glory into the New Jerusalem, The Holy City of God, The Lamb and the Bride of Christ (Church). God never confuses Israel with other nations, only that they are saved through Israel.
 
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Missing the point of my question.Do the Prophets belong to the Church or Israel?And the Apostles,same question?
It would be far better that you call upon the name of the Lord to seek after salvation then to disrupt the flow of the Spirit of Grace by non Biblical controversies. (2 Tim. 2:14-15) (1 Tim. 6:3-5)
 
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And what would you have us do with Judah again?
I'm not going to do anything with the house of Judah. Christ is going to save Judah along with the house of Israel. (Heb. 8:7-13)
All Israel will be saved. (Romans 11:25-27) Study the Scriptures, They answer the questions you ask of me.
 

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One Scripture does not a doctrine make.
Yes, The Church, the body of Christ is all one in the body of Christ. He is speaking of the Church in the Epistles of the NT. The nation of Israel and the House of David will be rebuilt to her former glory after He has called out the Church with the Gentile.(Acts 15:13-18)
The literal House of David will never be built again as there will never be an actual third Temple made by hands. What is being spoken of in Acts 15:13-18 is that of Rev 11:15 when the kingdoms of this world will have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ and He shall reign forever. This is when Christ will take His seat on the throne in the tabernacle of David in the New Jerusalem at the end of the seventh trumpet.
 
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The 6th sell was. Jesus sent out the Apostles to seal the remnant of Israel. Its in acts, thousand were added and God was adding to the number on a daily basis, and come the multitude of the gentiles recieve the Holy Spirit, God is no respecter of man. Its in the book of acts.

Christ sent his 12 Apostles from the 12 tribes to Israel that was seal the 144000 remnant from Israel, and then the multitude come is right there in the book of acts.

Everyone who believed wasn't waiting for the wrath of God, they were made clean, and hunger no more and they thirst no more and Christ lead them to living water. They were saved.
 
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The 6th sell was. Jesus sent out the Apostles to seal the remnant of Israel. Its in acts, thousand were added and God was adding to the number on a daily basis, and come the multitude of the gentiles recieve the Holy Spirit, God is no respecter of man. Its in the book of acts.

Christ sent his 12 Apostles from the 12 tribes to Israel that was seal the 144000 remnant from Israel, and then the multitude come is right there in the book of acts.

Everyone who believed wasn't waiting for the wrath of God, they were made clean, and hunger no more and they thirst no more and Christ lead them to living water. They were saved.
We are only sealed by the Holy Spirit, not the Apostles, when after hearing the Gospel message we begin to trust in Christ, Ephesians 1:1-14.

Rev 7:1-8 John is given another vision after these things, meaning after the first six seals that are revealed to him. He now sees four angels standing on the four corners of the earth holding the four winds of the earth in order that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree until Gods servants were sealed.

These servants are the generational 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel, except for the tribe of Dan and Ephraim as they fell to idol worship and allowed God to be removed from them, Judges 18:30; 1 Kings12:25-33. To keep it twelve tribes since Dan and Ephraim are not mentioned in vs. 4-8 the tribe of Joseph appears twice, once under his own name and once under the name of his son Issachar/Manasseh. Judah is mentioned first as Messiah was to come from the lineage of David.

This is the importance of the 144,000 of the house of Israel and their generations unto the end of days. There were those of the old covenant that were faithful to God in keeping all his commandments and repented of their idol worshipping. Their generations who have also come back to Gods grace that are still alive during the seven trumpet sounds will continue to preach to the Jews as it was with the twelve disciples in Matthew 10:6. The generations of the 144,000 that are still alive have the seal of God on them which are the seven Spirits of God as they will have to endure much persecution until the end of days before the return of Jesus.
 
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We are only sealed by the Holy Spirit, not the Apostles, when after hearing the Gospel message we begin to trust in Christ, Ephesians 1:1-14.

Rev 7:1-8 John is given another vision after these things, meaning after the first six seals that are revealed to him. He now sees four angels standing on the four corners of the earth holding the four winds of the earth in order that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree until Gods servants were sealed.

These servants are the generational 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel, except for the tribe of Dan and Ephraim as they fell to idol worship and allowed God to be removed from them, Judges 18:30; 1 Kings12:25-33. To keep it twelve tribes since Dan and Ephraim are not mentioned in vs. 4-8 the tribe of Joseph appears twice, once under his own name and once under the name of his son Issachar/Manasseh. Judah is mentioned first as Messiah was to come from the lineage of David.

This is the importance of the 144,000 of the house of Israel and their generations unto the end of days. There were those of the old covenant that were faithful to God in keeping all his commandments and repented of their idol worshipping. Their generations who have also come back to Gods grace that are still alive during the seven trumpet sounds will continue to preach to the Jews as it was with the twelve disciples in Matthew 10:6. The generations of the 144,000 that are still alive have the seal of God on them which are the seven Spirits of God as they will have to endure much persecution until the end of days before the return of Jesus.
The Apostles baptised and people were sealed with the Holy Spirit. What was it, 5000 one day and 2000 another day, and God was adding to the number dailys, these number were tbous. That was the 144000 remnant of Israel sealed by the Holy Spirit through the 12 Apostles from the 12 tribes specifically sent to the House of Israel.

And gentiles come in. And the Message was preached to the nations.

Many were saved. Paul was saved. Many in Israel believed.
 
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The Apostles baptised and people were sealed with the Holy Spirit. What was it, 5000 one day and 2000 another day, and God was adding to the number dailys, these number were tbous. That was the 144000 remnant of Israel sealed by the Holy Spirit through the 12 Apostles from the 12 tribes specifically sent to the House of Israel.

And gentiles come in. And the Message was preached to the nations.

Many were saved. Paul was saved. Many in Israel believed.
Paul was born into a Jewish family even though he was a Roman citizen so he would be included in one of the tribes of Israel.

If by what you say those 144,000 would well be dead by now so can you explain who the 144,000 Jews are in Rev 7:1-8 during the opening of the sixth seal?
 
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Paul was born into a Jewish family even though he was a Roman citizen so he would be included in one of the tribes of Israel.
glory, Paul was born a Jew from the tribe of Benjamin and was a Pharisee. His Jewish name was Saul of Tarsus, a province in Turkey where many an Armenian and Hebrews dwelt. I'm not sure how he became a Roman citizen.
 

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glory, Paul was born a Jew from the tribe of Benjamin and was a Pharisee. His Jewish name was Saul of Tarsus, a province in Turkey where many an Armenian and Hebrews dwelt. I'm not sure how he became a Roman citizen.
I know all this. I was replying to kiwidan in our conversation about the 144,00 to show that Paul was a Jew by birth. He was a Roman citizen because he lived there that's all.
 
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Paul was born into a Jewish family even though he was a Roman citizen so he would be included in one of the tribes of Israel.

If by what you say those 144,000 would well be dead by now so can you explain who the 144,000 Jews are in Rev 7:1-8 during the opening of the sixth seal?
Why dont you believe it has been fullfilled?. Is it because you seek signs, or, because its not specifically recorded 144000 sealed in scripture or historical documents, or, because you did not see it?.
 
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