the security of our salvation

[ezra]

1 John 2:24-26 King James Version (KJV)
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

1 John 5:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 John 5:19-21 King James Version (KJV)
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.


John 10:27-29 King James Version (KJV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Jude 23-25 King James Version (KJV)
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

see these scriptures i cant begin to remember the last time they was used in a message .

people are legalistic in belief. so busy worrying about losing salvation. worry about blaspheme . see none of this is the osas doctrine. its bible folks should be mature enough to say i am secure in Christ. i have a spiritual inheritance kept by the power of God . do we cringe at the thought of by his divine power ( dunamis ] the power belongs to Him .he simply transfers this power to give us the ability to live the Life john 1:
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. it takes growing in Grace and knowledge to under stand the promises correctly dunamis divine power divine authority/energy. for us to get this power we have to be connected to the true vine . we must remember we simply are the branches with out him we can do nothing .who are we in Christ. we are the righteousness sanctified .bought with a price given a advocate

 

[Christ_empowered]

thanks for this.

 

[ezra]

just remember this security is not a license to sin .but rather a promise of what he will do for us.

 

[Christ_empowered]

good point.

 

[ezra]

many lookers not many responds

 

[JLB]

many lookers not many responds

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9



Do you believe a brother who transgresses the doctrine of Christ, still has Christ?



JLB

 

[ezra]

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9



Do you believe a brother who transgresses the doctrine of Christ, still has Christ?



JLB

STOP i am not going to squabble over this read my post to c. i .p

 

[ezra]

just remember this security is not a license to sin .but rather a promise of what he will do for us.

-------------------------------- some people simply can not handle the word security

 

[JLB]

STOP i am not going to squabble over this read my post to c. i .p

Squabbling?

Your kidding, right?


You posted a thread with your scriptures, and I responded with a scripture.


How is that squabbling? LOL!!!


You have got to know people on this Forum have the right to discuss their views, when you start a thread.



It’s a very simple question.





Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9



Do you believe a brother who transgresses the doctrine of Christ, still has Christ?



JLB

 

[ezra]

It’s a very simple question.

ezra said:
just remember this security is not a license to sin .but rather a promise of what he will do for us.
lol the discussion is you want is can you lose your salvation... lol undertsand this is not my first rodeo when i posted this i simply gave scriptures of promise ..if you want to start a thread saying we can lose our salvation so be it . but no i am not going down this road i know in whom i have believed

it takes growing in Grace and knowledge to under stand the promises correctly dunamis divine power divine authority/energy. for us to get this power we have to be connected to the true vine . we must remember we simply are the branches with out him we can do nothing .who are we in Christ. we are the righteousness sanctified .bought with a price given a advocate

 

[ezra]

Your kidding, right?

nope i am not very serious . when it comes to the promises in scriptures i am very serious

Do you believe a brother who transgresses the doctrine of Christ, still has Christ?

i have doubts they was ever a brother ..but i am not the judge of who goes to heaven and who does not . i am only deliver the message the rest us up to the Holy Spirit ..i will repeat so please read slowly and carefully. this is only a post with scripture what he promises to us who believe. paul covered your question in romans 6.. GOD FORBID

 

[JLB]

lol the discussion is you want is can you lose your salvation...

Jesus is our salvation, and He is never lost.


However, we can indeed become lost.


Here let’s try another one.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15


Does a brother who begins to hate his brother still have eternal life remaining in him?




JLB

 

[ezra]

Does a brother who begins to hate his brother still have eternal life remaining in him?

start your own post i am through i have gave you enough i will remind of the tos you raked another member over the coals for in his opinion..enjoy the rest of your thanksgiving

 

[JLB]

i am only deliver the message the rest us up to the Holy Spirit .

Yes, I agree.


Giving people the message of truth, in hopes they will believe it, and walk in it, is part of the ministry of reconciliation.


Unfortunately their are some promises from Him, in the Bible that are not pleasant.

Are we to ignore these promises?


He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:7-8



JLB

 

[ezra]

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 {And such were some of you:}
but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[WIP]

ezra said:
just remember this security is not a license to sin .but rather a promise of what he will do for us.
lol the discussion is you want is can you lose your salvation... lol undertsand this is not my first rodeo when i posted this i simply gave scriptures of promise ..if you want to start a thread saying we can lose our salvation so be it . but no i am not going down this road i know in whom i have believed

You started this thread in the Theology Forum. In the Theology Forum we discuss theology and our various differences because in the end we seek the Truth. Not our truth but the Truth. We must remember to present our differing opinions without hostility.

If your intention was to preach your truth without question, then maybe you should choose a different forum.

 

[chessman]

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15


Does a brother who begins to hate his brother still have eternal life remaining in him?

Your assumptive question assumes the “whoever” once had eternal life (was of God) to begin with. Yet the evidence says otherwise.

Another assumptive question
Did Abel’s “brother” stop have eternal life?
Or; Have you stopped beating your wife?

not as Cain, who was of the evil one and violently murdered his brother. And for what reason did he violently murder him? Because his deeds were evil and the deeds of his brother were righteous.​

1 John 3:12 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 John 3:12&version=LEB
A reasonable question based on this Passage would be more like; Did Cain have eternal life abiding in him???

Nope, he murdered his brother.

 

[ezra]

You started this thread in the Theology Forum. In the Theology Forum we discuss theology and our various differences because in the end we seek the Truth. Not our truth but the Truth. We must remember to present our differing opinions without hostility.

If your intention was to preach your truth without question, then maybe you should choose a different forum.

then delete it problem solved

 

[ezra]

look when i posted this i posted it under the theme the security of our salvation !!! i also posted this was not a license to sin.. but rather the promises of God. when john wrote .that ye may may know you have eternal life .that is exactly what he wrote that we can know we are saved . a know so salvation... not one time did i post it was ok for a child of God to sin .if a Christian can not be secure enough to say they have security in Christ .then they may not even be saved .Jesus plainly said in john 15 .we are to abide in him. he also said with out him we can do nothing . read Romans 6 the apostle paul covered this or should we remove this chapter also . even those who teach eternal security like charles stanley preach against sin .all though i differ with them .which sin that we commit will send us to hell? after being saved . every body take a deep breath .its ok to say we are secure in Christ , two words eternal and security creates havoc .. no i do not wish to discuss this ..i did all this in Bibical conflict once again it created havoc . i would love to discuss this but there is no way it can be done. with the golden cow of religion gets broke..
Romans 6 King James Version (KJV)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[ezra]

If your intention was to preach your truth without question, then maybe you should choose a different forum.

for one i am not here to preach 2. are you telling me to leave this forum as i am not welcome? what does the rules say about posting on eternal security ? that is exactly where the post was headed at the last response .