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Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Jesus immediately began to describe events leading up to His Coming and the end of the age.
He defined the timeline by signs that led up to The Sign that marked the end of the age, making sure the reader understood these timeline markers were not The Sign by saying, but the end is not yet.
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Wars and rumors of wars, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.


  • · nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom

  • · famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places

All these are the beginning of sorrows


  • · Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.

  • · many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.
he who endures to the end shall be saved.

· 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

It is important to notice here that The Sign that marks or defines the end of the age has not been mentioned, therefore as of this event the end of the age has not come!

17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened. 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Still at this point, Jesus describes this time line event marker, but The Sign that marks the end of the age has not been listed by The Lord yet.

At this point the end of the age has not yet come. Jesus has described the time line marker events such as:


  • · Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

  • · the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand)

  • · this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations

  • · Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.

  • · many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.

  • · Wars and rumors of wars,

  • · famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places
But has not said the words - Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

At this point He keeps telling us the end is not yet.

We know the harvest is the end of the age –

the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. Matthew 13:39-40

We know in the next age we are resurrected from the dead and are equal to the angels and do not die anymore.

35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36

How many years take place between the first time line marker -

6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

And the time line marker just before The Sign that marks the end of the age which is –

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.


No events listed in Matthew 24:1 - 31 have a date associated with it so how can a person know when the end of the age is!


JLB
 
Huh, and I thought it was just a cardboard sign that said "The End of the Age."
 
Why worry about it? No virgin has birthed a son named Immanuel so it hasnt even started yet , right? You are a literalist arent you ?
 
But the church is not looking for such signs. The church, the body of Christ, is looking for the Rapture, 1 Thess. 4.
"Even so, come, Lord Jesus" (Revelation 22).
 
No events listed in Matthew 24:1 - 31 have a date associated with it so how can a person know when the end of the age is!
You're wrong. Even you know, accurate to within plus/minus several years, exactly when this conversation took place. And what did Jesus tell the disciples?

Mat 24:34 - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

It's not about what we would like the sign to be, but what first century Jews thought the sign would be. For those Jews who would not see Jesus as an escape from the Temple/Law system, the holocaust at the hands of the Romans seemed like the end of their world.
 
You're wrong. Even you know, accurate to within plus/minus several years, exactly when this conversation took place. And what did Jesus tell the disciples?
Mat 24:34 - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
It's not about what we would like the sign to be, but what first century Jews thought the sign would be. For those Jews who would not see Jesus as an escape from the Temple/Law system, the holocaust at the hands of the Romans seemed like the end of their world.

Key phrase -

33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near--at the doors!

All the signs that Jesus just spoke of and are listed starting in verse 4 defines "all these things"!

Now where in this list of signs that Jesus referred to is the phrase destruction of the city and sanctuary as spoken of by Daniel the Prophet!

The generation that witness's these signs, especially "The abomination of desolation", for Jesus use's the same phrase FOR WHEN YOU SEE THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION... Furthermore, Jesus associates the following phrase's with The Abomination of Desolation - 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it.

To deceive the "elect" into believing the false messiah is the real one these "sign and wonders" would need to be worked from the TEMPLE!

So, this generation that sees the abomination of desolation STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE, AS WELL AS THE FALSE CHRIST PERFORMING SIGNS AND WONDERS, will witness the COMING OF THE SON OF MAN ON THE CLOUDS WITH GREAT POWER AND GLORY!

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near--at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. 36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

The clear context in which the phrase was written - Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place, and prefaced by the phrase So you also, when you see all these things tells us to examine closely what all these things are! It would be very foolish to assume, since not a word or phrase about the temple being destroyed is used as a reference in all the signs listed by Jesus, that this generation that sees all these things is referring to the events of 70 AD!

JLB
 
The entire conversation is about when the temple will be destroyed. So the 'signs foretelling when the temple will be destroyed' are not going to be 'that the temple is destroyed'. Jesus proclaims that the temple the disciples are looking at will be destroyed, and so the disciples want to know when, and what to look for.
 
The entire conversation is about when the temple will be destroyed. So the 'signs foretelling when the temple will be destroyed' are not going to be 'that the temple is destroyed'. Jesus proclaims that the temple the disciples are looking at will be destroyed, and so the disciples want to know when, and what to look for.


Let's look at what the actual scripture says and evaluate it with what you say.


3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"


The disciples asked Jesus two questions as Matthew records.

Since Jesus does not mention the destruction of the temple, nor the city in His discourse, as Matthew records it would be foolish to presume He was speaking of such, without ant language to support that presumption.

Would would be wise, is to think about why He chose NOT to mention the destruction of the city and the sanctuary, as Daniel teaches and to study Daniel 9:24 -27 and learn and understand from it rather than the presumptuous commentary that is plaguing this Forum.

the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Daniel 9:26
Why is that phrase not mentioned in Matthew 24 or 25 ?Jesus specifically referred to Daniel the prophet to understand what He was teaching?


JLB
 

Let's look at what the actual scripture says and evaluate it with what you say.



Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
 





Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

My point exactly.
 





Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

My point exactly!
 
My point exactly!


Awesome! Now that you see that Jesus is addressing the question of His coming and the end of the age, it should be clear by the context of His answer, that the destruction of the temple has no significance to His coming and the end of the age.


JLB
 
Awesome! Now that you see that Jesus is addressing the question of His coming and the end of the age, it should be clear by the context of His answer, that the destruction of the temple has no significance to His coming and the end of the age.


JLB

Unfortunately you are mistaken. I agree with reba, not you. Within the context of all scripture it emerges that the destruction of the temple signifies His coming and the end of the age. Moreover, His coming and the end of the age signifies the destruction of the temple. There is a forty year generation in which both the physical and spiritual realities coexist. For example; when Jesus left the temple for the last time, He pronounced it "desolate". This spiritual reality was ratified in the physical world when Jesus sent Rome in judgment forty years later.
 
Unfortunately you are mistaken. I agree with reba, not you. Within the context of all scripture it emerges that the destruction of the temple signifies His coming and the end of the age. Moreover, His coming and the end of the age signifies the destruction of the temple. There is a forty year generation in which both the physical and spiritual realities coexist. For example; when Jesus left the temple for the last time, He pronounced it "desolate". This spiritual reality was ratified in the physical world when Jesus sent Rome in judgment forty years later.

The context of this generation is tied to His Coming not the destruction of the temple.

JLB
 
They are inseparable events. Period.
Agreed to a point. If the judgement of ad 70 ,certainly a 'coming of the Lord' was the Second Advent then math is seriously flawed, since it follows His 'coming to Egypt' , physically invisible, must have been an Advent as well. Which leads to the notion that the agreed upon First Advent is a glaring error,and not the First at all.
 
They are inseparable events. Period.

Show me in Matthew 24 or 25 where Jesus Christ answers His disciple's privately ie: Matthew 24:4 - 25:46, where He mentions the events of 70 AD in His answer.

How can you tie the phrase "this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place" to the events of 70 AD, when the events of 70 AD are not mentioned in Matthew 24.

Where's the context! It's not anywhere to be found in Matthew 24 or 25!

Total Presumption!

JLB

 
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