The sons of God and daughters of men?

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  1. new covenant preacher

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    What are we to understand regarding the sons of God and daughters of men? Were there Giants on the earth, as a result of the relationship between the sons of God and daughters of men? What distinguishes the daughters of men from the sons of God?

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    The sons of God and daughters of men is a false doctrine
    1 Tim 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

    The sons of God and daughters of men doctrine is one of these fables!

    John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    These fables exist simply because men who are without the Spirit of knowledge, can not even begin to really understand the Word of God.

    Gen 3:9-10 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

    Did the Lord God who created all things by merely speaking them into existence, really not know what Adam had done? The spiritual differences between the sons of God and daughters of men, are well known by the Lord. There is indeed a Blessing for those that are called the sons of God (Matt 5:9). The sons of god were not to intermingle with the daughters of ungodly men.

    2 Cor 6:1 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

    The sons of God and daughters of men theory is the stuff of science fiction, it has no place in the minds of those who are in Christ.

    If it were possible, the false Christ and false prophet would deceive the very elect (Matt 24:24). How easy will it be to deceive those who already believe in fairy tales.

    1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    Without the Spirit of knowledge, mankind can not realize the awesome power of God. Also they are unable to discern between truth and fiction.

    The sons of God and daughters of men - Who were the sons of God?

    Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

    To come up with an interpretation of the sons of God and daughters of men referring to fallen angels, having sexual relationships with earthly women, is simply ludicrous.

    Deut 14:1-2 Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead. For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

    The sons of God and daughters of men, also represents the children of God, and all others who were not the people of God (Exodus 6:7).

    Job 1:1-2 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.

    Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    The notion that fallen angels would be able to present themselves before God is ludicrous.

    Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

    To understand the sons of God and who this endearing term refers to, we only need to look at God’s own description of which people He considers His children.

    Ex 29:45 And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.

    There is a clue early on in Genesis. The sons of God call upon the name of the Lord.

    Most who subscribe to the sons of God and daughters of men theory, also believe in two separate creation events. The first creation is to be found in Genesis 1:1 thru 2:3. The second creation is apparently found in Genesis 2:4, and following.

    God clearly defines the identity of the sons of God and daughters of men

    Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

    The fairy tale of the false teachers within the church, would have us to believe that Cain went and found his wife within the group of people from this first creation.

    Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

    The genealogy of the generations of Adam, Noah, Abraham and David do not include every one that is born. Out of these generations God would choose faithful men who were declared righteous through Christ (Luke 1:5-6, Rom 1:17, Heb 10:38).

    Matt 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

    The lineage of Cain who was taken by evil resulting in works of wickedness, is found in Genesis 4:16-23. You shall know them that are of the wicked one by the fruits they produce ( Math 7:17, 1 John 3:12, Jude 1:11).

    Gen 5:1-3 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth.

    The sons of God and daughters of men, represent two very different genealogies. The generations listed in the above verse do not mention Cain, but his lineage would refer to the daughters of men.
     
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    I would suggest that you, new covenant preacher, research the reason that demon sons possessed earthly men to have sex with the daughters of men. [hint] to destroy the human race that the Messiah would come from....Satan's plan almost came about, except by one righteous man, Noah, the human race was saved.

    You would do well to chart the many times that Satan tried to stop the Messiah. Giants have always had a place in the Old Covenant to scare God's servants, like Joshua and Caleb and the other 10.
     
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    You would do well if you would read the Bible as having God for the author and being penned by about 40 scribes, thereof. And there is not a word in the Word that is a fable, that is heresy.
     
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    Don't you think it would be relevant to post the scripture that speaks about the sons of God and daughters of men?

    Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
    3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4

    • There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.

    This verse tells us how the giants were produced.

    If we are honest, we can also see from this verse, that the sons of God were not human.

    Can we discuss what these passages say, from this highly controversial passage of scriptures.




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    I was just curious how many bought into this fallen angels having sex with humans doctrine ??
    Only God creates life
    Angels don't reproduce
    How in the world can the term Sons of God possibly refer to Satan
     
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    Could you please comment on this post, to discuss what the scriptures about this subject say?

    Don't you think it would be relevant to discuss the scripture that speaks about the sons of God and daughters of men?

    Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
    3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4

    • There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.

    This verse tells us how the giants were produced.

    If we are honest, we can also see from this verse, that the sons of God were not human.






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    Fallen angels do, on a regular basis INDWELL unsuspecting men to accomplish what they couldn't do with out their bodies and in this case, sex organs.
     
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    No, no, no. Nowhere in that scripture does it say, nor, imply the Sons of God are or were anything but men who, like myself, have chosen God, unconditionally. What I have, through etrabiblical study at the library is that in ancient Hebrew the Hebrew believers were noted as Christians are today as "The Sons of God."

    That verse literally says that the Hebrew men were willing to disobey God and to couple with the good looking hussies the Gentiles produced, imagine that! I believe Sampson was afflicted with the same malady before he was blinded.

    That and nowhere in the scriptures does it state that God is into allowing Angels to copulate. Matthew 22:29-30 instructs there will be no marrying in Heaven because we will be like the Angels.

    Now what is Biblical Marriage? When Adam coupled with Eve, they were married. When Issac went into Rebeka, they copulated and they were married. The same with Jacob when he was tricked by Laban into marrying the older daughter first. One did not run down to a Church or a J.P. and get married because the Marriage License Office ad not opened yet. That tax was not there yet. And for anyone guilty of Copulation at the Drive-In, yes, that does mean every7 one of us that did so are guilty of Biblical Marriage and divorce without even giving them a Divorce Paper. Hopefully, we have all repented and are not cheating on our wifes by marrying other young ladies.

    Now, back on course, since Angels do not have the equipment for such an act without God giving them presence in our Time/Space Continuum and we know that God is not into sin, the Idea of a Physical Angel going into any female is just people's sick imagination, nothing more and I will stand by that because without God's consent, such can never occur and God is Omnipresent and would therefore be guilty of sin. And brother, God is just not sin in any form.
     
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    That would be physically impossible since Hebrew, is a reference to the offspring of Eber, of which came Abraham.

    Eber had not yet been born at that time.

    21 And children were born also to Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder. 22 The sons of Shem were Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram. 23 The sons of Aram were Uz, Hul, Gether, and Mash.
    Genesis 10:21-23


    Furthermore, you are implying that men of God, created giants, because of sexual relations with "hussies"?:nono


    Of course it does, let's look.

    Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
    3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4

    • There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.

    The verse plainly says sons of God and daughters of men.

    If the verse said sons of men and daughters of men, then there is no question about it.

    Never the less, that aside let's look at the main fact, that can not be explained away.

    • There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.

    Giants were created when the sons of God came into the daughters of men.

    Please explain what happened to these "men of God", "humans", when the flood wiped out all flesh except Noah and his family.


    • There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.


    Once we realize this there two options.

    1. Noah and his sons were the sons of God, that created the giants.
    2. The sons of God were angels who survived the flood.


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    The Old Testament was written in a time and place that is very foreign to today's Westernised mindset .

    We don't have and haven't had a caste based society for hundreds of years.

    The Bene Elohim (sons of God) were a reference to a religious caste. How they went about determining these people is unknown because Moses and God didn't tell us. (The Bible isn't a history book)

    But if you remember the book of Leviticus then you would be correct in assuming that the religious caste were exceedingly sinful in choosing whoever they wished for spouses and likely had some kind of political clout to ensure that they got away with it.

    As far as Cain...
    His cities were likened as a "City of refuge for those accused of murder" as some of the Levitical cities were. Hardly one of sinful intent at all. But just like Ham cursed his own son (Canaan) so too did Cain curse his own son. (Attitudes and thinking processes are difficult to change)
    And at the time of his murder... exponential increase in population means that at least 20,000 people were running about when he killed Abel. No sister necessary...a distant cousin maybe likely.

    And as far as Giants go...
    Jacob was one. (Using an unscalable pillar as a pillow? Or even lifting a rock so big it uncovers a spring big enough that it can water a whole flock... obviously a big boy)

    Kirith Arba was a city of Giants...Gath had a small suburb of the descendants of Anak. These guys were friends of Abraham. Then killed by David and Caleb.
    The Bible contains stories fantastic enough with out the fantasy stuff.
     
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    All hooey! Moses wrote the first five books after leaving, presumably, the Exodus began.
     
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    This subject is one that have two basic interpretations. 1. Is that the children born to Seth and Cain are the principle heads of this generation. The sons of Seth were classified as the "sons of God" the "daughters of men" were from Cain. The main problem That I see is how they were able to produce giants.

    2. Is the sons of God were initially good Angels, turned rebel with Satan. Sons of God being Angels? Look at Job 38:7....
    Job 38:7 " When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Yep, Angels are called
    Sons of God.

    It is my opinion that Satan's original plan to destroy mankind thru deceiving Adam and Eve, he thought that was it. When they died, no more human race equals no Messiah. Opps, God provided a way for them to be forgiven and continue on God's plan to eventually bring into the human race the Messiah Who would destroy Satan's headship.

    Satan's next plan was to cause the human race to be so wicked that God would have to destroy it because He is so holy. Plan? Take the fallen angels "X sons of God" gave them the power to possess humans "demon possession" and use their organs to produce demon possessed children who grew up to be giants and wicked people who ....

    Genesis 6:5 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."


    Satan's only problem was he didn't notice one man, NOAH. Now you know the rest of the story.
     
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    Ok Bill.

    Thanks for sharing.


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    Any thoughts as to how this religious caste continued after the flood?


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    Apparently from Shem to Abraham. (Ham lost his place) (Shem was alive and most likely the voice that told Abraham to go west)

    Not exactly sure but Abimelech is a "religious" name. (Father of Angels/Messengers) So was Salem's Melchizedek. (Salem later became Jerusalem...from Peace to God's Peace.)

    Babylon was a city that was building a stairway to heaven.

    But in the end...
    To Isaac and then to Jacob then to Levi.

    But of note is that Joseph did marry into the religious caste in Egypt. They had one. On what basis isn't exactly clear. But I'd dare say that they were blemish and defect free. Also living a more pure lifestyle of some kind.
     
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    I see so Shem was one of the sons of God that was responsible for producing the giants?


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    Sons of Anak or Jacob?

    And I added to my last post.
     
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    Let me ask you again in another way.

    Any thoughts on how the sons of God, a religious caste of men, continued producing giants, after the flood?


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    God is the only creator of all life. (Including yours and mine)

    I recommend asking him.
     
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