Bible Study The sons of God and daughters of men?

[chessman]

All flesh was corrupted.

Read it again, stop misquoting Scripture and be prepared to answer relevant questions (like Peter taught and Jesus did).

The passage does NOT say all flesh was corrupted.

Genesis 6:12 And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth.​

The earth (that God had made good) was corrupted.

All the flesh had corrupted "its way" (not its flesh).

The fallen Angels...I'm pretty sure that the Book of Enoch says that they were imprisoned for 70 generations. So they're probably out by now.

Stop ignoring what the Scripture verses do say:

2 Peter 2:4, 9 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but held them captive in Tartarus with chains of darkness and handed them over to be kept for judgment, ...then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to reserve the unrighteous to be punished at the day of judgment, ​

The fallen angels are held captive in Tartarus with chains ... to be punished at "the day of judgment" (not imprisoned for 70 generations.

By the way, you failed to answer my question as to how angels that are in chains in Hell (before the flood) in prison and reserved to be punished "at the judgment" are free to have sex with women on the corrupted Earth before or after the flood.

If you don't know how they could be free yet in prison, you're not alone. It's a contradiction.

But, that's Enoch, so I'm a false prophet, right?

Let's test:

Are the angels that sinned before the flood (fell) in Hell in chains, reserved for the day of judgment, or are they frolicking around having sex with women?

 

[Edward]

Genesis 6:12 And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth.
The earth (that God had made good) was corrupted.

All the flesh had corrupted "its way" (not its flesh).

Sigh. Ok. So what is...flesh's way? The way of the flesh. What is it? Jesus said the life is in the blood. That is the DNA my friend. God created manind and he had a particular DNA sequence such as is common to man. It is a corruption of the flesh to have corrupted DNA brought about by inter-species hybridization. If I'm wrong then go ahead and tell me what is, it's way?

The passage does NOT say all flesh was corrupted.

Ok, it doesn't say that, but it does spell it all out for you!

Stop ignoring what the Scripture verses do say:

2 Peter 2:4, 9 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but held them captive in Tartarus with chains of darkness and handed them over to be kept for judgment, ...then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to reserve the unrighteous to be punished at the day of judgment,
The fallen angels are held captive in Tartarus with chains ... to be punished at "the day of judgment" (not imprisoned for 70 generations.

Well I didn't exactly visit them or anything, but that's what Enoch says. I believe Enoch. You don't have to. Keep a heavy rifle around though Brother, just in case. I think this world is in for some seriously twilight zone stuff in the future/trib. Beyond our comprehension at the present time (most of us), because it's been peace time too long and we've grown soft.

Let's test:

Are the angels that sinned before the flood (fell) in Hell in chains, reserved for the day of judgment, or are they frolicking around having sex with women?

Well personally I am not sure where they are...but you seem to be implying that it was all of the 1/3 Angels of heaven who are bound now? And forever until Judgement day?
Excuse me Brother, but isn't there scriptures which speak of beasts and demons and stuff coming out of a pit somewhere?

You are going to have to agree with all scripture to have truth. You don't right now. These nephilim scriptures and bound angel scriptures, and beasts coming out of a pit scriptures do agree with...many many other scriptures.

So where's the scripture that says that all of the 1/3 fallen angels were bound in chains? Please?

 

[Edward]

I gotta go do a job, I'll come back later.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Enoch says. I believe Enoch. You don't have to. Keep a heavy rifle around though Brother, just in case. I think this world is in for some seriously twilight zone stuff in the future/trib.

There is a reason the Book of Enoch was not canonized and the reason is it, as I understand it, it disagrees with points the known and accepted Word of God says. Any attempt to make a point from that book book is mute! You have a free will and you can choose to go to Heaven or to Hell, it is your right to do so but as for me and my family, will not teach cleverly crafted heresy to avoid Heaven and all of us will speak against it.

 

[chessman]

life is in the blood. That is the DNA my friend.

There is no DNA is red blood. That is why DNA samples are taken from flesh, not blood, most often. You can "extract" DNA from a large enough blood sample, but what you are doing in reality is extracting the fleshly particles that are mixed with red blood. It's easier and more reliable just to obtain DNA from another bodily source, such as skin or hair, etc.

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/who...whatisdnasequencing/wheredodnasamplescomefrom

Well personally I am not sure where they are...but you seem to be implying that it was all of the 1/3 Angels of heaven who are bound now? And forever until Judgement day?

The angels that sinned spoken of in Peter/Jude are in Tartarus, in chains, reserved for the Day of Judgment. You should know where they are.

Excuse me Brother, but isn't there scriptures which speak of beasts and demons and stuff coming out of a pit somewhere?

Yes, in Revelation concerning events post resurrection of Jesus. And by the way, never are they called "sons of God" in Revelation. We are discussing events before the flood. Where you and JLB claim these angels had sex with women and produce tall men. Even though the Text says so such thing there or anywhere else.

So where's the scripture that says that all of the 1/3 fallen angels were bound in chains? Please?

The angels we are talking about are from 2 Peter and Jude which were, for some reason, brought into the conversation about Gen 6 (before the flood). And again, that Text tells us exactly were those angels are.

If I'm wrong then go ahead and tell me what is, it's way?

Any deeds done by men or angels that violate His commands:

Deuteronomy 8:6 So you must keep the commandments of Yahweh your God by walking in his ways and by fearing him.​

Ezekiel 20:43-44 And you will remember there your ways, and all of your deeds by which you were made unclean, and you will feel a loathing for yourself for all of your evils that you have done. And you will know that I am Yahweh when I deal with you for the sake of my name and not according to your evil ways or according to your corrupted deeds, house of Israel,” declares the Lord Yahweh.​

I gotta go do a job

I gotta go watch some very tall men try to move pig skin back and forth across the earth.

 

[Winnie]

Both the men and women would have to be giants procreating because a little women physically could not handle a giant and a giant baby would not fit. So they are BOTH mankind.
Africans are tall, the tallest? Yet other races can be really short. No big deal. As far as the philistine with extra toes and fingers, that happens to cats also.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Both the men and women would have to be giants procreating because a little women physically could not handle a giant and a giant baby would not fit. So they are BOTH mankind.
Africans are tall, the tallest? Yet other races can be really short. No big deal. As far as the philistine with extra toes and fingers, that happens to cats also.

Have you observed this? There are some women in the three to five foot range that give birth to children that grow to be six to just over eight foot tall. thisw is, first, a very brash statement to stand flat footed on and not to have observed the phenomena.

 

[Chopper]

Hi Bill. We under estimate the power of possession of demons in a human being, and what they can do with a human that they possess. If a demon takes control of a man, he can, thru that man, have sex with a woman using the sperm of that man and create a demon/man mix.

In the case of Genesis six, it was to create a race of giants to overcome the descendants of Abraham and Satan almost succeeded, except for one man, Noah. If you read what demon possessed men did to the women of that day, you will discover Satan's plan to stop Messiah from being born. Thank God for Noah and his obedience to his God (Elohim) to build that arc to save the line of which Messiah Jesus would be born to save mankind.

 

[Chopper]

Read it again, stop misquoting Scripture and be prepared to answer relevant questions (like Peter taught and Jesus did).

The passage does NOT say all flesh was corrupted.

Genesis 6:12 And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth.​

The earth (that God had made good) was corrupted.

All the flesh had corrupted "its way" (not its flesh).



Stop ignoring what the Scripture verses do say:

2 Peter 2:4, 9 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but held them captive in Tartarus with chains of darkness and handed them over to be kept for judgment, ...then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to reserve the unrighteous to be punished at the day of judgment, ​

The fallen angels are held captive in Tartarus with chains ... to be punished at "the day of judgment" (not imprisoned for 70 generations.

By the way, you failed to answer my question as to how angels that are in chains in Hell (before the flood) in prison and reserved to be punished "at the judgment" are free to have sex with women on the corrupted Earth before or after the flood.

If you don't know how they could be free yet in prison, you're not alone. It's a contradiction.



Let's test:

Are the angels that sinned before the flood (fell) in Hell in chains, reserved for the day of judgment, or are they frolicking around having sex with women?

Not ALL fallen angels are locked up.

 

[Edward]

There is a reason the Book of Enoch was not canonized and the reason is it, as I understand it, it disagrees with points the known and accepted Word of God says. Any attempt to make a point from that book book is mute! You have a free will and you can choose to go to Heaven or to Hell, it is your right to do so but as for me and my family, will not teach cleverly crafted heresy to avoid Heaven and all of us will speak against it.

I haven't read anything in Enoch that disagrees with canonized scripture. What are we saying Bill? That Enoch was the most righteous man that ever lived...so much so that God took him. Why did God take him? Because he wrote a book of lies about God?! No Sir.

You said something about Enoch disagrees with scripture, or some points made in scripture? Give us an example Brother Bill, please? What points in scripture?

 

[Edward]

The angels that sinned spoken of in Peter/Jude are in Tartarus, in chains, reserved for the Day of Judgment. You should know where they are.

Not all of them.

Yes, in Revelation concerning events post resurrection of Jesus. And by the way, never are they called "sons of God" in Revelation. We are discussing events before the flood. Where you and JLB claim these angels had sex with women and produce tall men. Even though the Text says so such thing there or anywhere else.

You are correct. In revealation Nephilim (or fallen Angels) are not referred to as sons of God...and in Genesis, Seth's family isn't referred to as Nephilim! Nor is man, nor is the daughters of men. Nephilim are...nephilim.

The angels we are talking about are from 2 Peter and Jude which were, for some reason, brought into the conversation about Gen 6 (before the flood). And again, that Text tells us exactly were those angels are.

Can you point me to the scripture that says all of the fallen Angels are imprisoned? I can't seem to find it.

Any deeds done by men or angels that violate His commands:

Deuteronomy 8:6 So you must keep the commandments of Yahweh your God by walking in his ways and by fearing him.
Ezekiel 20:43-44 And you will remember there your ways, and all of your deeds by which you were made unclean, and you will feel a loathing for yourself for all of your evils that you have done. And you will know that I am Yahweh when I deal with you for the sake of my name and not according to your evil ways or according to your corrupted deeds, house of Israel,” declares the Lord Yahweh.

Corrupted deeds? Sin? Sin is why God made the flood and destroyed everyone? No Brother God loves us and did not would not do that to us. Choppers right. Abraham had promises from God, so satan knew he had 400 years to lay a mine field and try to stop the messiah from being born. He almost did it.

If man is that bad, that God would wipe us out for sin...Then why would He send His only Son to die for us?! That just doesn't make sense Brother.

I gotta go watch some very tall men try to move pig skin back and forth across the earth.

Did they win?! Hope so. I won! Made some bill money, praise the Lord!

 

[Edward]

They're not just tall men. Numbers 13:33

And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.../

Sounds like there's a little bit more to it than just being tall. There's a bunch of other scriptures too. What about Og of Bashan?

Deuteronomy 3:11
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.../

That's over 13 feet tall. And what about David and Goliath? Are we just going to ignore them? Do you not believe in David and Goliath, Brothers?

We don't call tall men Nephilim now.

(You asked for more scriptures? Sure Brother! Want some more? I have a list of them.)

 

[chessman]

Not ALL fallen angels are locked up.

The angles who sinned that Peter spoke of in 2 Peter 2:4 are.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but held them captive in Tartarus with chains of darkness and handed them over to be kept for judgment,​

Yet somehow people think they have sex with women on Earth. Odd.

Not all of them.

The ones that were pointed to as having sex with women in Gen 6 are.

Nephilim (or fallen Angels)

Nephilim are not fallen angels.

They were people (not sngels) "men of great size" that eats its inhabitants.

Numbers 13:32-33 And they presented the report of the land that they explored to the Israelites, saying, “The land that we went through to explore is a land that eats its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in its midst are men of great size. There we saw the Nephilim the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim, and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their eyes.”​

Can you point me to the scripture that says all of the fallen Angels are imprisoned?

I did not claim all the fallen angels are imprisoned (not sure why you'd capitalize angels, but ... nevermind)

Did they win?!

By a 'hail mary'!

 

[chessman]

Sounds like there's a little bit more to it than just being tall. There's a bunch of other scriptures too.

Then post the one that says fallen angels have sex with women and produce offspring.

You asked for more scriptures? Sure Brother! Want some more? I have a list of them.

I just need one that says fallen angelse have sex with women and produce offspring.

 

[Edward]

The angles who sinned that Peter spoke of in 2 Peter 2:4 are.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but held them captive in Tartarus with chains of darkness and handed them over to be kept for judgment,
Yet somehow people think they have sex with women on Earth. Odd.

Right. The Angels who sinned...which was not all of them. I told you they were scared of God's wrath and punishment. They didn't want to do it at first!

Yet somehow people think they have sex with women on Earth. Odd.

That is odd. I don't like the idea. Well, let's see: ...

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.../

I've no clue where an idea like that came from. It's only scripture, right?

It's hard for me to believe how there's so many Christians, good people, who have zero clue how much God really loves them and us.

Nephilim are not fallen angels.

They were people (not sngels) "men of great size" that eats its inhabitants.

Numbers 13:32-33 And they presented the report of the land that they explored to the Israelites, saying, “The land that we went through to explore is a land that eats its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in its midst are men of great size. There we saw the Nephilim the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim, and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their eyes.”

Correct. Fallen Angels are NOT Nephilim. The Nephilim are the children of them, the hybrids, half man, half divine.

I did not claim all the fallen angels are imprisoned

Ok then. So that is how they continued their shenanigans. You asked me that before... There you go.

By a 'hail mary'!

Awesome Brother!

 

[Edward]

I just need one that says fallen angelse have sex with women and produce offspring.

It's right above Brother. Genesis 6:4

 

[Winnie]

The angles who sinned that Peter spoke of in 2 Peter 2:4 are.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but held them captive in Tartarus with chains of darkness and handed them over to be kept for judgment,​

Yet somehow people think they have sex with women on Earth. Odd.


The ones that were pointed to as having sex with women in Gen 6 are.


Nephilim are not fallen angels.

They were people (not sngels) "men of great size" that eats its inhabitants.

Numbers 13:32-33 And they presented the report of the land that they explored to the Israelites, saying, “The land that we went through to explore is a land that eats its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in its midst are men of great size. There we saw the Nephilim the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim, and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their eyes.”​

I did not claim all the fallen angels are imprisoned (not sure why you'd capitalize angels, but ... nevermind)


By a 'hail mary'!

That's a good scripture reference in Numbers 13:32-33. They called them Nephilim in those later days. There is no way they were referring to fallen angels.

 

[calvin]

I haven't read anything in Enoch that disagrees with canonized scripture. What are we saying Bill? That Enoch was the most righteous man that ever lived...so much so that God took him. Why did God take him? Because he wrote a book of lies about God?! No Sir.

Hello calvin here,
No Edward the thing is that the book of Enoch was not written by Enoch, but by several others who used his name. Today we would denounce such a practice as being cheap and tawdry but in those days ie intertestamental years it was widely accepted as Okay.
I believe the one instance where Enoch is quoted is not proof of the inerrancy of the book, but evidence that it was widely read and so served to help make a point in the mindset of Jude's readers.

 

[calvin]

It's right above Brother. Genesis 6:4

Calvin here...again,
That seems to be a circular argument. eg. "The cat sat on the mat" how do we know? Because "the cat sat on the mat"
ie. you can't cite a verse to prove that same verse, you need at least one other.

 

[chessman]

This verse doesn't say anything about fallen angels having sex with women and producing offspring.

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown...

Sons of God are not fallen angels, brother.
Nor are children 'half-breads'.

When "sons of God" have sex with women, "children" are born to them, not half breads.

Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were upon the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God went into the daughters of humankind, and they bore children to them. ​

Got it? They bore CHILDREN, not half-breads.

Romans 8:14 For all those who are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. ​