The tale of 2 Cities

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  1. reba

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    After Trump's election, Baltimore mayor reaffirms city as a "welcoming place" for immigrants and refugees.

    Nov 17 2016
    Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake reaffirmed Thursday that Baltimore welcomes immigrants and refugees, joining a growing number of mayors across the country who say they are trying to allay fear in those communities after the election of Donald J. Trump as president.

    Baltimore's mayor said city police will not check the citizenship status of people with whom they interact. Her administration is publishing a community guide that urges immigrants in capital letters: "Do not panic." And city officials are working to steer immigrants toward legal and other resources offered by nonprofits.

    April of 2017 Filed Under: FBI Baltimore, Mayor Catherine Pugh, rising murder rate

    BALTIMORE (WJZ) — Baltimore’s mayor is asking for help from the FBI as the city struggles to contain a soaring murder rate. But will bringing in the feds stop the killings?

    Catherine Pugh pulled no punches earlier this week when she said the violence is out of control.

    “I’m calling on all the assistance we can possibly get because I can’t imagine going into our summer months with our crime rate where it is today, what that’s going to look like by the end of the summer,” Mayor Pugh said. “… Murder is out of control.”
     
  2. Willie T

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    Glad I don't live there.
     
  3. reba

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    They have what they asked for .. .. Is it only us old folks who heard you made your bed now you can lay in it?
     
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    There murder rate seems to corroborate with gang violence rather than immigration and or refugees. Is there any evidence linking the 2?
     
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    does not matter to me.. if Baltimore is not willing to work with the feds the feds can return the favor..
     
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    That can get ugly.

    Fine,trump you need the guard for what,no you may not. The guard unless active under title 10 is state funded and controlled and each state can tell the pentagon we can't release them as we need them.

    A state has a right for a militia in the sense of quelling riots etc. Not that I disagree with your sentiment.
     
  7. reba

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    The FBI is not the Guard...
     
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    The miltary is too small to deploy without either guard or reserves. 20 years ago yes.but well hurricane hunting is a guard mission. Alot of missions are given for the guard to do for the active.I know of trans units moving army gear .

    That's my point
     
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    Baltimore is definitely off my vacation list.
     
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    I thought the Obozo administration sent in the feds to teach the Baltimore police department how to act nicely when they were having issues a couple of years ago???
     
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    There is a vast difference between immigrants and illegal immigrants.

    Immigrants have followed the laws concerning legal entry into the US. Their documentation is legal.

    Illegal immigrants, on the other hand, have broken civil law by illegally entering the US. They break Federal law because their documentation is not legal.

    The illegal immigrants who are targeted at this time by ICE and other federal agencies are those who have committed violent crimes. For anyone to sob and complain that by ridding the US of these violent thugs we're breaking up families and they shouldn't be deported, all I can say is 'Grow up.'

    There's a 12 year old boy who lives in a community near me who was struck from behind by a vehicle who did not stop at the scene of the crime. The boy, aged 9/10 at the time was thrown from his bicycle. All the broken bones have, by now, healed; the scars on his face will require further plastic surgery.

    The illegal immigrant who hit the boy was later caught, arrested, judge granted bail (perp had to post a bond of $3,000), then skipped the state. He was recently caught in one of the southern states by ICE, who found he had been deported several times during the past 8 years. The odds are this person will spend time in prison, then be deported....again.

    However, the 12 year old boy has to live with the results of an innocent bike ride with friends.

    So I want to see one of those illegal, violent offending immigrant supporters explain to this boy why all those violent thugs, including the one who struck him and left him to die, should be kept here in the US.
     
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    And yet police there are aggressive to the point that a good number of them have been indicted for attacking citizens.

    On the other hand, Dallas which formerly had one of the highest murder rates, chose to extensively train police to avoid violence by de-escalating confrontations, has had a marked decrease in murders.

    Violence breeds violence. Who would have guessed it would work the other way?

    He did:
    Proverbs 15:1 A mild answer breaketh wrath: but a harsh word stirreth up fury.

    And yes, Dallas has a much larger immigrant population than that of Baltimore. You see, it's not the immigrants, who tend to be more law-abiding than native-born Americans:

    But several studies, over many years, have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the United States. And experts say the available evidence does not support the idea that undocumented immigrants commit a disproportionate share of crime.

    “There’s no way I can mess with the numbers to get a different conclusion,” said Alex Nowrasteh, immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html
     
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    In the last decade, as the border became harder to slip though, the trend has been increasingly for people to enter legally on a limited visa and then just not go home. As you suggest, they haven't committed a crime, but they are breaking the law.
     
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    Those who have overstayed their visas should be deported as well.
     
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    You and the article are stating correlation and causation without even proving relationship or relevance.

    Both cities have had "sensitivity training".

    But

    Texas tends to execute more people than Boston.
    So I think it's the executions that makes Texas calmer.
     
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    They became criminals the very instant the we to be here no more but stayed,
     
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    Barbarian Take your complaints about cops and law & order to another thread.. This one is about Cities setting them selves up as all wonderful and calling on law and order when they have failed. If you are going to post stay on topic...
     
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    No, that's wrong. It's not a crime to overstay a legal entry. Maybe you can make an argument that it should be. But it isn't. It's a civil violation and not a crime.
     
  19. reba

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    Back to topic .. immigration is not the topic nor is illegal entry
     
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    I wonder what percentage of murders in Baltimore are by immigrants...

    The perception that immigration adversely affects crime rates led to legislation in the 1990s that particularly increased punishment of criminal aliens. In fact, immigrants have much lower institutionalization (incarceration) rates than the native born - on the order of one-fifth the rate of natives. More recently arrived immigrants have the lowest relative incarceration rates, and this difference increased from 1980 to 2000. We examine whether the improvement in immigrants' relative incarceration rates over the last three decades is linked to increased deportation, immigrant self-selection, or deterrence. Our evidence suggests that deportation does not drive the results. Rather, the process of migration selects individuals who either have lower criminal propensities or are more responsive to deterrent effects than the average native. Immigrants who were already in the country reduced their relative institutionalization probability over the decades; and the newly arrived immigrants in the 1980s and 1990s seem to be particularly unlikely to be involvedin criminal activity, consistent with increasingly positive selection along this dimension.
    http://www.nber.org/papers/w13229.pdf

    Unless something very weird is going on in Baltimore, it's understandable why they "welcome" immigrants; they aren't as violent as the natives are.
     
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