The Titlo and the Number of the Beast

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  1. Apousía

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    Most folks are unaware of this thing known as a titlo

    You may have even looked right at it, and not even noticed

    Or, you may have seen the titlo written over Christ's name in other manuscripts

    Here is the example of 666 with the titlo from Revelation 13:18


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    Being that a titlo refers to a " nomen sacrum " ( sacred name ), and not just, but the abbreviation of the sacred name, would you like to take a guess what 666 abbreviates and how it is an abbreviation ?
     
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    Not really. Just more end times nonsense.
     
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    Hhmmm, this is really more about teaching how to properly read Greek

    But thanks for the post !

    :)
     
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    If you want to open a thread about reading Greek, then do that. This just reads like more speculation about end times.
     
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    Can I pick not guessing and just getting it explained to me? :)
     
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    OK, well I guess based on your previous teaching on this website, regarding classical Greek notations, mods you can go ahead and close this thread

    Thanks !

    :)
     
  7. Apousía

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    No, don't want to close it ?

    OK, then I guess I can go on ( For those of you who didn't already Google it for yourselves )

    When I started studying the scriptures, I really tended to read what other people had written, instead of diving in and really going deep, and it actually took me several years to really look a little closer and notice the titlo, which led me to question the fact it's never discussed

    It's funny to me, that many take Revelation's call for " he who has wisdom " to " reckon / count the number of the beast " to refer to them, personally

    " OOH , that's me !! I'm the one with wisdom ! "

    I've seen 666 explained as everything from chakras to carbon to microchip implants, when in fact the very textual content of 13:18 spells out very clearly it is a name ( onoma )

    The fact 666 has a titlo over it is exactly for that reason, a titlo signifies the word is a name

    Not just used over any name, the titlo is reserved for a " nomen sacrum " ( holy name ) in Greek Bible manuscripts

    Here in Papyrus 46, we can see the titlo over 666 in 13:18 ( 666 ), as well as some other names ( See if you can identify the other names with the titlo in papyrus 46, just for fun :) )

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    And here is an example from a different manuscript, part of Matthew, in which we can clearly see the abbreviated form of the name Jesus, spelt "ΙΗΣΟΥΣ" in Greek capitals, below as IHC



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    Considering that 666 is an abbreviation for the name " Christ " in Greek, containing the first and last letters in the word ( plus the number 6 ), I would say that microchip implants, chakras and carbon do not come anywhere near the truth of the topic

    Naturally I don't expect everybody to be an expert in ancient Greek, but this topic should have been well understood by anybody who is a serious student of the Bible
     
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    No, 666 is the number of the beast not an 'abbreviation for the name "Christ" '.
    Rev 13:18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666. ESV
    Actually the image you have posted is Papyrus 47 not Papyrus 46. The segment you are attempting to discuss is shown below and is noted as P47:
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    Strong's Concordance Greek G5516.


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    Isopsephy (iso meaning "equal" and psephos meaning "pebble") is the Greek equivalent for the Hebrew system called gematria, by which number values of the letters in a word add up to a resulting number. Revelation which was written in Greek, in 13:18 tells the reader to count the number of the beast. There John uses the word psephizo (G5585) for "count", which is derived from G5586, the same Greek word that composes Isopsephy. John was indicating that numerology, counting the numeric value of a name, was the way to arrive at the solution of six hundred sixty six. "Pythagorean sources would indicate that this practice goes back at least six or seven centuries prior to 180 CE (the approximate date that Irenaeus produced his heresiology)". - Source. See Irenaeus below.

    G5585. psephizo, psay-fid'-zo; from G5586; to use pebbles in enumeration, i.e. (gen.) to compute:--count.

    G5586. psephos, psay'-fos; from the same as G5584; a pebble (as worn smooth by handling), i.e. (by impl. of use as a counter or ballot) a verdict (of acquittal) or ticket (of admission); a vote:--stone, voice.

    Below is verse 18 with Chi Xi Stigma (underlined in red) in P47, a third century papyrus in the Chester Beatty collection.

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    See also: The text of the New Testament: an introduction to the critical editions and to the theory and practice of modern textual criticism, Kurt Aland and Barbara Aland, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 1995, plate 23, pg. 90.
    By the black line above Chi Xi Stigma, an abbreviation is being indicated by the copyist, in this case indicating the characters represent their numerical values, rather than their alphabetic meaning. These each have a different numerical value. They are Chi = 600, Xi = 60, Stigma = 6. Papyrus 47 (P47) is considered to be perhaps the earliest extant copy of any portion of Revelation. Early church fathers within a few years of Revelation being penned were already applying isopsephy (Greek), gematria (Hebrew), or Roman numeral values to solve the riddle.
     
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    Lol, OK, so I accidentally wrote 46 instead of 47, but all of a sudden you are an expert on the titlo ?

    Please point me out to the past posts you have made on this subject, thanks

    And, btw, it is an abbreviation for the word " Christ "

    Prove me wrong by identifying which letters are used to write the number 666 and we can go from there

    :)
     
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    The mark of the beast is Christ, for ALL receive the mark; both free and bond. ALL receive his mark. The image of the beast is the image of a man hanging upon a cross. And he shall cause them to worship the image of the beast, all those who are not written in the book of life.
     
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    Oh, I'm sure that for people like apostates and naysayers, Christ is most certainly something to dread

    I have posited that Christ would be a nightmare for some, and a dream for others

    Fulfilling antithetical roles simultaneously would be something that only Christ could accomplish, imo

    Offending the sensibility of future apostates ( or current apostates ) would only further help clarify the sheep from the goats
     
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    It is written in the scripture the he who was made the head cornerstone, the same was made the chief stumbling stone. And it was written of Christ as he hung upon the Cross, let their eyes be darkened that they see not; and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap unto them.
     
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    As I noted on another thread, maybe you would find a better reception for this nonsense on another forum. Enjoy your time here.
     
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    Ahhh yes, you bring up an excellent point !

    In the parable of the tenants, where Christ describes how he is rejected, mocked and ridiculed on his return, by his own followers, he quotes the Tanakh :


    Mat 21:42 " Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? "

    He goes to say

    Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

    Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.


    Now, considering that 666 is an abbreviation of his name, it would bear out that he was well aware of gematria ( Most folks in that day would have well familiar with it )

    In the verse he quotes, we find that:

    " The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner "

    לראש ( head = 531 ) + פנה ( stone of the corner = 135 ) = 666


    And the verse where he gives that chilling warning:

    " And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. " = 6660



    But then again, we know that that there are many future apostates, and I would wager a toe that the people Christ describes in the parable ( His followers who mock / reject him on his return ) are indeed ....apostates

    Cheers

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    Ahhh, don't worry friendo, I will

    Now since you weren't able to produce the answer, ( maybe you can't read simple Greek letters ? ) I will explain the " nonsense " as you call it


    “IC XC” is a Christogram, a monogram of Jesus’ name. As we know, “Jesus Christ”, when it is translated into Greek, looks like this:

    ΙΗΣΟΥΣ ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ

    If we take the first and last letters of ΙΗΣΟΥΣ (“Jesus”) and ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ (“Christ”) we are left with:

    ΙΣ ΧΣ

    The sigma character (“Σ”) was often represented using a lunate sigma which looks like a “C”, thereby giving us:

    IC XC

    Finally, a line (“titlo”) is often placed over each pair of letters to indicate that it is an abbreviated sacred name. So there we go! “IC XC” is yet another shorthand for writing “Jesus Christ” in Greek.


    The number of the beast 666, is written as ΧΣϛ

    That is the first and last letters of the name Christ

    ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ

    with the letter for the number 6, ϛ

    Leaving us with the fact that

    XC + ϛ = 666



    Now, I know that youtube is full of videos explaining how the reptilian overlords are going to come and put microchips in our foreheads, for Satan, so we can't buy anything at the secret Walmart FEMA camps, and Niburu portals from CERN and " end times prophecy alerts " and all that good stuff

    ...but honestly, if you want to label something nonsense, you should start there ( Unless you are a fan of that stuff, which in that case, I would say it's best you stick with your beliefs )

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    Now that somebody was kind enough to copy-paste the Wikipedia definition of gematria, a topic I personally have studied at great length, ( From it's origin in mathematical astronomy texts of Mesopotamian High Priests, in cuneiform and pre-cuneiform logograms all the way on up to the Bible ) I will continue, because it's actually a great topic, especially if you are a fan of the Bible

    But first, is there a pre-biblical source for this concept of " being marked " ?

    Yes, as it turns out, there are several

    First, there are the Platonic and Aristotelian concepts:

    Rhema and Onoma

    Both Plato (c. 428–347 BC) and Aristotle (384–322 BC) used the terms logos, rhema and onoma. In Plato's usage, a logos (often translatable as a sentence) is a sequence in which verbs are mingled with nouns and every logos must have an onoma and rhema. For Plato, every logos was either true or false and in a logos, names included:

    1. rhema which denotes actions

    and

    2. onoma a mark set on those who do the actions



    Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek

    It is a word that signifies the action of utterance or speaking

    In Greek philosophy, it was used by both Plato and Aristotle to refer to propositions or sentences

    In Christianity, it is used in reference to the concept of Rhematos Christou; Jesus Christ's sayings

    As per the notes in the Concordance:

    rhḗma (from /rhéō, "to speak") – a spoken word, made "by the living voice" (J. Thayer). /rhḗma ("spoken-word") is commonly used in the NT (and in LXX) for the Lord speaking His dynamic, living word in a believer to inbirth faith ("His inwrought persuasion").

    Ro 10:17: "So faith proceeds from (spiritual) hearing; moreover this hearing (is consummated) through a rhēma-word ( /rhḗma) from Christ" (Gk text).

    there are 70 different verses using this word rhḗma

    [See also Gal 3:2,5 which refers to "the hearing of faith" (Gk text) – i.e. a spiritual hearing that goes with the divine inbirthing of faith.]


    ónomaname; (figuratively) ( Philosophically in Greek- a mark set on those who do the actions ) the manifestation or revelation of someone's character, i.e. as distinguishing them from all others. Thus "praying in the name of Christ" means to pray as directed (authorized) by Him, bringing revelation that flows out of being in His presence. "Praying in Jesus' name" therefore is not a "religious formula" just to end prayers (or get what we want)!

    ["According to Hebrew notions, a name is inseparable from the person to whom it belongs, i.e. it is something of his essence. Therefore, in the case of the God, it is specially sacred" (Souter).]

    There are 231 verses using ónoma

    That leaves us with over 300 verses for these two most important words

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    The next topic that would have to do with " marking / being marked " is Palmoni, which you can read on my thread on Palmoni

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    The next would be the Hebrew letter Tav, ( † or X in Paleo-Hebrew , or ת in modern Hebrew ) which was used to brand animals like sheep and goats to denote ownership by a shepherd

    cf. the Hebrew word " Tavah " ( to mark ) or the name of Christ " Aleph-Tav " for more insight

    In that a Tav is a word meaning :

    1. " mark,
    2. " sign "
    3. " seal "

    , it comes as no surprise that in the system of gematria ( Mispar Gadol ) the letter Tav in the Hebrew alphabet has the value of 400


    Where else do we find this ?

    We know for one, that we see eclipses ( signs in the sky ) because of the relative sizes of the Sun and Moon as well as the distances from each other and Earth in the 3-Body system

    As I have stated, probably several times in several threads now, we see eclipses ( signs in the sky ) because the sun is ~ 400 times the distance from the Earth as the Moon, and ~ 400 times the size of the Moon

    It is thus, no surprise that we find this to be the direct source of Revelation's terms, using the exact same approximate sizes as defined in Mesopotamian priestly texts

    144,000 / 666 = 216.216...
    144,000 / 216 = 666.666...
    144,000*6 = 864,000 ( Miles, diameter - Sun )
    216*10 = 2,160 ( Miles, diameter - Moon )

    864,000 / 2,160 = 400 = gematria of a mark / seal / sign

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    As I gradually break down these topics in this thread, we will see it's nowhere near as cut and dry as people would like it to be, which in my opinion, just shows that the complexity of the Bible is far far beyond what most people grant to it

    It's selling the book short, imo

    Cheers

    :)

     
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    Now in the Greek verse in Revelation, it uses the word " Charagma " for " mark " which is very specific - [ engraving ]


    χαραγμα charagma {khar'-ag-mah} ; TDNT - 9:416,1308; n n AV - mark 8, graven 1; 9 1) a stamp, an imprinted mark 1a) of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the badge of the followers of the Antichrist 1b) the mark branded upon horses 2) thing carved, sculpture, graven work 2a) of idolatrous images

    Was originally any impress on a coin or a seal, used by an engraver on a die (stamp, branding iron).

    from the same as 5482:

    χαραξ charax {khar'-ax} from charasso (to sharpen to a point,);; n m AV - trench 1; 1 1) a pale or stake, a palisade 2) a palisade or rampart 2a) pales between which earth, stones, trees, and timbers are heaped and packed together

    akin to 1125 through the idea of scratching:

    γραφω grapho {graf'-o} a root word; TDNT - 1:742,128; v AV - write 206, writing 1, describe 1, vr write 1; 209 1) to write, with reference to the form of the letters 1a) to delineate (or form) letters on a tablet, parchment, paper, or other material 2) to write, with reference to the contents of the writing 2a) to express in written characters 2b) to commit to writing (things not to be forgotten), write down, record 2c) used of those things which stand written in the sacred books (of the OT) 2d) to write to one, i.e. by writing (in a written epistle) to give information, directions 3) to fill with writing 4) to draw up in writing, compose

    Let's turn to yet another New Testament verse:

    Let's examine the statement in Romans, where Christ is compared to Adam { Twice in scripture, actually }

    " Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come "

    Romans 5:14

    In the Greek concordance, it says about this word " figure " :

    τυπος tupos {too'-pos} from 5180; TDNT - 8:246,1193; n m AV - ensample 5, print 2, figure 2, example 2, pattern 2, fashion 1, manner 1, form 1; 16 1) the mark of a stroke or blow, print 2) a figure formed by a blow or impression 2a) of a figure or image 2b) of the image of the gods 3) form 3a) the teaching which embodies the sum and substance of religion and represents it to the mind, manner of writing, the contents and form of a letter 4) an example 4a) in the technical sense, the pattern in conformity to which a thing must be made 4b) in an ethical sense, a dissuasive example, a pattern of warning 4b1) of ruinous events which serve as admonitions or warnings to others 4c) an example to be imitated 4c1) of men worthy of imitation 4d) in a doctrinal sense 4d1) of a type i.e. a person or thing prefiguring a future (Messianic) person or thing


    Therefore we can see that " tupos " ( mark / stamp / engrave ) is cognate to " charagma " ( mark / stamp / engrave )

    Then we go on to Hebrews:


    Hebrews 8:5

    " Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount "



    The Greek concordance says about this word " pattern ":

    Surprise !



    τυπος tupos {too'-pos} from 5180; TDNT - 8:246,1193; n m AV - ensample 5, print 2, figure 2, example 2, pattern 2, fashion 1, manner 1, form 1; 16 1) the mark of a stroke or blow, print 2) a figure formed by a blow or impression 2a) of a figure or image 2b) of the image of the gods 3) form 3a) the teaching which embodies the sum and substance of religion and represents it to the mind, manner of writing, the contents and form of a letter 4) an example 4a) in the technical sense, the pattern in conformity to which a thing must be made 4b) in an ethical sense, a dissuasive example, a pattern of warning 4b1) of ruinous events which serve as admonitions or warnings to others 4c) an example to be imitated 4c1) of men worthy of imitation 4d) in a doctrinal sense 4d1) of a type i.e. a person or thing prefiguring a future (Messianic) person or thing

    " And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God ( Jesus Christ ) is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God "

    Revelation 21:3

    This makes the association between the Tabernacle, Christ, and the mark


    " And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God "

    Revelation 21:3

    Then there is the " devil " to contend with, and although this is well covered in the discussion of the Levite scapegoat rituals involving the goat, modern people love to repeat that " 666 is the devil's number ", so let's examine that a little closer

    The Levite scapegoat that Christ replaced is a parallel to the Greek " Pharmekos "

    The Greek concordance says:


    φαρμακος pharmakos {far-mak-os'} the same as 5332;; adj AV - sorcerer 1; 1 1) pertaining to magical arts


    φαρμακευς pharmakeus {far-mak-yoos'} from pharmakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion);; n m AV - sorcerer 1; 1 1) one who prepares or uses magical remedies 2) sorcerer



    In the Hebrew concordance, it says about " magicians ":


    חרטם chartom (Aramaic) {khar-tome'}; TWOT - 2742; n m AV - magician 5; 5 1) magician, magician-astrologer

    From 2748:

    חרטם chartom {khar-tome'} - magician 11; 11 1) diviner, magician, astrologer 1a) engraver, writer (only in derivative sense of one possessed of occult knowledge, with " occult " meaning " hidden ", which one again points to the real story behind " the pit / abyss " ( proper exegesis of written texts pertaining to a High Priest, by that High Priest himself )


    As far as the ancient paleo-Hebrew Tav being used as a brand, I'd like to point you to chapter 3 of Zechariah:


    Clean Garments for Joshua the High Priest

    " And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. And the LORD said to Satan, The LORD rebuke you, O Satan; even the LORD that has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. And he answered and spoke to those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And to him he said, Behold, I have caused your iniquity to pass from you, and I will clothe you with change of raiment. And I said, Let them set a fair turban on his head. So they set a fair turban on his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by.

    And the angel of the LORD protested to Joshua, saying, Thus said the LORD of hosts; If you will walk in my ways, and if you will keep my charge, then you shall also judge my house, and shall also keep my courts, and I will give you places to walk among these that stand by.

    Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, you, and your fellows that sit before you: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; on one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the engraving thereof, said the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. In that day, said the LORD of hosts, shall you call every man his neighbor under the vine and under the fig tree. "



    Not only does God ask Satan:

    " is not this a brand plucked out of the fire ? "

    ... referring to Jesus { Joshua } as a brand, just like the Hebrew Tav was used to mark livestock like goats and sheep



    ... it goes to say:


    " behold, I will engrave the engraving thereof "


    When we examine the crown of the High Priest, we once again find this number 666, as well as phrasing

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    In other words, Jesus is the " engraver "

    This makes the association between the identity of the 2nd coming of Christ and the " mark ", by way of the concept of stamping / marking / engraving, thereby merely reinforcing that the reason 666 is used as an abbreviation of Christ's name, and hence the reason it was written as a sacred name with a Titlo

    But, this is a rather extensive topic, and I have several more posts to make tonight, so I will break this post in a few parts

    Cheers

    :)
     
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    In that last panel, we find the verse in Exodus describing the engraving on the crown of the High Priest

    "And you shall make a crown of pure gold, and engrave on it in the manner of a signet ring: " Holy to the Lord.'" (Exodus 28: 36)

    The crown was a thin plate constructed of one piece of pure, solid gold. Unlike the crown worn by royalty on top of the head, this is worn across the forehead and extends from ear to ear. It was thin enough to arch across the forehead like a bow. Its width is described by Maimonides as 2 fingerbreadths, or app. 11/2 inches

    This crown was engraved with the words "Holy to the Lord."

    We know that the word " holy " means " set aside ", which shows the relationship to the " cutting off " ( keritot / karet ) of the Messiah as defined by the Koadashim, dealing with the Temple and the objects within, the sacrifices, the High Priest, etc ( 7th tractate ), and as I am covering in my thread on Palmoni, we start to see how well intertwined these topics actually are

    The crown was worn at all times while the High Priest was within the Temple, as the Bible states: "And it shall be worn on Aaron's forehead, that he shall carry the iniquity of the holy things which the children of Israel shall sanctify in all their holy gifts; and it shall always be upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the Lord."

    (specifically, this is a reference to ritual impurity as covered by the Kodashim, I highly suggest reading it, especially as an insight into " end times " prophecies )

    How were the letters on the crown engraved ?

    The Talmud (BT Gittin 20) describes the process by which the letters were fashioned on the crown. They were raised, not sunken - "like a golden dinar." This was accomplished by digging out the letters from the opposite side until they were raised up. Maimonides (Laws of Temple Vessels, Ch. 9) writes that "they would pound out the letters in a form until their shapes were formed on the other side "

    Where it pays to actually look at what the verses say, is here:

    " engrave on it in the manner of a signet ring "


    In otherwords, in the style of a signet ring, which would have been worn by the High Priest, and more importantly

    ...the signet ring would be used to stamp / mark / seal a covenant or contract written on a scroll, usually by pressing into wax or resin


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    The Key of David also ties into this topic of marking / engraving, which requires an examination of the root of the word " key "

    " And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open "

    Isaiah 22:22


    מפתח maphteach ( key ) {maf-tay'-akh}; TWOT - 1854f; n m AV - key 2, opening 1; 3 1) key, opening instrument


    from 06605

    פתח pathach {paw-thakh'} a primitive root; TWOT - 1854,1855; v AV - open 107, loose 13, grave 7, wide 3, engrave 2, put off 2, out 2, appear 1, drawn 1, break forth 1, set forth 1, misc 4; 144 1) to open 1a) (Qal) to open 1b) (Niphal) to be opened, be let loose, be thrown open 1c) (Piel) 1c1) to free 1c2) to loosen 1c3) to open, open oneself 1d) (Hithpael) to loose oneself 2) to carve, engrave 2a) (Piel) to engrave 2b) (Pual) to be engraved




    Now, I did my study in this topic of engraving by a High Priest into other languages, knowing that the things in the Bible are based on longstanding ancient traditions and customs, it seemed reasonable, and it turns out, it is

    First, the term in cuneiform


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    This immediately piqued my interest, as the word " sar " by itself is a not just a unit used by a High Priest for mathematical astronomy, it also means " garden ", but it's also part of the name of what is called an " incantation priest "

    This is rather important, because as well all know, it is by the very words spoken from the mouth of the High Priest that create and shape reality itself

    Just like God spoke everything into creation :)




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    Now this alone, wasn't enough to convince me of anything, just that there were some associations that seemed to be pre-biblical in nature, but nothing really tying them into the Bible itself, directly, so I went with what the High Priest is most well known for in the Bible, and that is role of head astronomer

    It's important to recognize that the Jewish council of the Sanhedrin decided that 2 witnesses were required to announce New Moon, after they decided that they no longer had a High Priest , which is who would have done this in the Temple, originally, but I will cover these " 2 witnesses " in a later thread

    So, the fact that the High Priest was who originally announced New Moon ( Being that he was also acting as the court astronomer ), coupled with the fact that " sar " ( garden ) is used in the phrasing referring to New Moon, I knew I was on the right track

    ( You can disregard the angi for now, although keep in mind that the length of the month that was used to calculate New Moon, was also the same one used to predict eclipses ( signs in the sky )

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    Not only those words, but " garden " also is used in the construction of the word " moon "





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    So then, I thought, OK, this is interesting, for sure, but ....

    Mesopotamian cultures really revolved around astronomy, and that was done by priests / a High Priest, and that they were focused on eclipses, New Moon, and various Mazzaroth ( zodiacal ) calculations

    This itself is no secret or surprise


    So, back to the Bible I went

    Turns out there is a word that means " mark " that has a connection to the mathematical astronomy I kept seeing hinted at

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    this word is from another word:



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    This was when I realized this led right back to the topic of Palmoni ( cf my thread on Palmoni, I will continue it in the coming days )



    Not just Palmoni, but also Christ himself, because as we know, " oth " ( signs ) is the root of " aleph-Tav ", which we know as a sobriquet of Christ, and first found as the untranslated word in Genesis 1:1



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  19. Apousía

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    Now, from " oth " ( signs, root word of Aleph-Tav, a name of Christ first found in Genesis 1:1) we can immediately spot something interesting here

    " oth " is first used in Genesis 1:14

    Using the number line to count the letters in the Torah shows that the 666th letter is in the verse of Genesis 1:14, and specifically, in the word " seasons "

    This was interesting not just because we know that when Jews write a Torah scroll ( sefer Torah ), they are very careful to maintain every single letter, and thus the order of them as well

    I thought this perhaps something to take note of, that the Vav is the 666th letter ( in seasons ) in that it as a word " Vav " means " hook " ( used to build the Tabernacle ) as well as " nail " ( used to crucify Christ )

    I thought, " Odd, I know this from the well-known verse that usually uses the word " Leviathan " in place of " Mazzaroth " ( Zodiac )

    Job 38:32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth ( Leviathan ) in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons ?

    Going by that I was repeatedly told " Leviathan " is the " dragon " in Revelation and that that is " Satan / the devil " as per the scriptures ( Revelation ) I thought

    " If 666 is some number attached to these ( Leviathan - the mazzaroth, the Dragon in Revelation, Satan, the Devil ) it seems rather contrary in that the traditional dogmas normally teach that these are all adversarial in nature to Christ, when in fact NT writers wrote the number 666 as a sacred name, so obviously something is being overlooked by people

    In fact, given that only a High Priest like Jesus would know the correct interpretation of a text pertaining specifically to him, it's actually much more likely that most people are completely wrong than right with their exegesis, especially concerning prophecy, as they are not prophets in that they are indwelt with the traditional Ruach Hakodesh ( Holy Spirit ) of a prophet,



    So I started looking at the systems of astronomy in the texts that we know were integral in the roles of a High Priest in Mesopotamia, in specific, for calculating the appearance of " signs " , so the conventions they used, mathematically


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    The exact reason we have " seasons " in the first place is because of the axial tilt of the planet from the ecliptic, which is ~ 66.6 degrees { it does periodically altar from this angle over cycles of ~ 25,920 years and ~ 41,000 years }


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    Not only do we find this with the reason for the seasons, we find this tilt to also be integral in the phenomenon of eclipses ( floods / signs )



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    Now considering that as a High Priest, Jesus would have been knowledgeable not just about mathematical astronomy knowledge above, he would have been well familiar with gematria, as any student of the Torah is


    So then I began to examine the month length that was part of the priestly texts, because as I mentioned earlier, you need this calculated month average to successfully predict an eclipse or a new moon, especially if you want to intercalate the luni-solar calendar with the stellar ( Mazzaroth ) as defined in the nominal precession length of 25,920 years

    We know the Babylonians used the average month length, ( 29.53... days ) for predicting eclipses and New Moons, and that this was acquired from Sumerian priestly sources, as handed down through the Akkadians ( Hence the reason that Babylonian magic / astronomy texts were written in Akkadian which was writing out the original Sumerian ideograms, but in Akkadian cuneiform , this was only true for these particular texts, the rest of Babylonian texts were written in Babylonian scripts )

    Much like the Biblical scribes and sefer Torah writers are intent on maintaining information in the scriptures, priests in Mesopotamia were intent on preserving their information as well

    I knew from my studies into Newton's work ( Both his mathematical astronomy / formulation of the universal laws for gravitation as well as his studies into the Bible and gematria ) that his calculations give the same ratio that is from the average month length:

    Which is written in base 60 by Mesopotamians ( sometimes alternating base 60 with base 10 )

    but in base 10 is written using the repunit expansion for fractions

    6...........60
    66.........60*60
    666.......60*60*60
    6666.....60*60*60*60

    Realizing this, I saw that these numbers like 6,66,666,6666 and such were integral in astronomy, but also implied by their absence in the scriptures, for example, the " dragon sweeps 1/3 of the stars from the heavens "

    ...leaving 2 / 3, which is .666.....


    But the same thing found in Newton's calculations, are found to be far older, here we can see both the average month length AND the principle unit of the priestly texts dealing with astronomy ( The saru - 3600 , which is the source of the Greek " Saros " ( cycle of eclipses in where the 3-body system returns to the same relative positions on the ecliptic, this cycle is well known to have been recorded / calculated / known by Chaldean priests in Ur, Babylon, where Abraham was called out of by God )

    This alone is almost 100% proof that the ancients did indeed have a treatment for gravity ( I challenge any academic or degree'd mathematician to enter a formal debate on that exact topic of the treatment of Gravity in Mesopotamian astronomy texts, if they are reading this, or feel up to it :) )



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    For fun, see if you can guess where the low accuracy approximation of the math constant of e is in the above panel ( There's a reason )

    So seeing that once again the " garden " ( sar ) unit of Mesopotamian astronomy texts was involved..... what I did at this point, was dove headfirst into the study of mathematical astronomy AND measurements in Mesopotamia, using great online sites provided by universities like Yale and Oxford, but at the same time always looking back to the Bible

    Pretty much going from modern astronomy equations all the way back to Sumerian ideograms and then to the Bible

    Always back to the Bible

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