The Trespasser.

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  1. Douglas Summers

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    In Scripture, to trespass is one who treads where it is forbidden to enter into or where he does not belong. crossing the line. It is sin! One of the Sacred places men tread is the intrusion of Self-will into the sphere of Divine Authority. It is forbidden for man to preach or teach the will of man or another gospel other than what was taught by Christ (The Doctrine of Christ) and preached by His Disciples.

    The arrogant and self righteous trespassers, who know more than what is written in Scripture, and pride their-selves as if everyone is wrong but them. And their self admiration over and above those that know and teach correct doctrine is the epitome of those who have taken the place of Christ. (or those who reject the doctrine of the Apostles of Christ) and replace it with their own doctrines as if it is authoritative over the Apostles teachings. What is most surprising is the flippant attitude and disregard for the pillar doctrines of the early church. The self willed (or Tares) among the wheat mistake pride as the presents of The Holy Ghost. There is joy in the TRUTH and the teachings of Christ to the born again believer, and all that joy is in the assurance of the witness of Christ's Spirit. But the self willed believer claim and think the pillar doctrines of the early church are false over the lying spirits that enter in to the self reformers, claiming them as Holy Spirit. The absence of humility and the presence of pride is the self reformers spirit. (Matt. 12:43-45)

    Doctrines That Divide

    • Eternal Security (not once saved always saved, that is a self willed title)
    • The body of Christ (His Church) spared from the tribulation or testing that shall come upon all the world, called the Rapture by believers.
    • The Judgments (called one general judgement of the wicked and saved at one time) by the self willed. But Scripture actually reveals 7 judgments
    • The Church which is the literal living body of Christ unified by His Spirit and a separate entity from Israel......But (defined as the result of Christ's rejection of the Jew by the self willed)
    • Israel, God's special called people, separate from the Church, chastised as prophesied in Deuteronomy for disobedience, but restored to their former glory by God's grace and the promise of the Davidic Covenant. (2 Samuel 7:4-19) (Psalms 89:20-37) (Ezekiel chapter 36) and all the books of the prophets.
    This is just a few with variations from different denominations. To die to self is to live in Christ. Christ said to us (The prideful) If you are invited to a banquet, Do not assume you belong in the front row or seats. For only the humble and unworthy will sit there.
     
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    How can one be disobedient without self will?
     
  3. Douglas Summers

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    ?? I'n not sure what you are asking, But self Will is disobedience in rejecting God's instructions. You see, God would never give His creatures bad or wrong advice...He is God! Self will leads to murder, jealousy, pride, lust, robbery and any other thing that destroys a mans life.
     
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    If we are not in Gods will then we are in self and following our own will. If we be risen with Christ and seek those things from above where Christ sits at the right hand of God, Colossians 3:1-4, then we will also shed the rest of those things spoken of in Colossians 3:5-9 as we put on the new man which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him that we now walk as the elect of God in all love and the peace of God that rules our heart, Colossians 3:10-17.
     
  5. Douglas Summers

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    Yes, that is what Scripture says. If it were that simple for man to obey then we would not need The Sacrifice of Christ. Adam and Eve were instructed by God in person, and even Satan can quote Scripture and look like an angel of light. The Post on Trespassing is a description and practice of those who look like wheat, but are a tare (enemy). And that is some of their characteristics.
     
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    """""the pillar doctrines of the early church.


    Who are you claiming is this "church", in 2016?
    What denomination?
    Who?




    """"""""""""""""the self reformers,""""""""


    Who are you claiming these to be in 2016?
    What church or denomination?
    who?
     
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    :clap

    Do they really misidentify their own pride as the Holy Spirit? Is that possible, lol?

    I guess they could...until the real Holy Spirit shows up at least.
     
  8. Douglas Summers

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    The same Church that Christ built in the beginning. (The members of His body) The Church is not an organization that you join, but it is a living organism attached to the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. There is no denomination in the body of Christ.
     
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    The nominal Christian is void of the Spirit. Christ calls them tares in a field of wheat. Pride in self is the leading foundation for the nominal Christian. (example: Pharisees) Matt. 23:13-36. In man, pride is a powerful self absorbing and self centered disguise of
    grandeur. The Bible is full of the results of pride, even to the point that men shall come to Christ, bragging about casting out demons and healing the sick (in their own mind), But Christ tell them to move on, He does not know them. Pride is the cause of denominations. Did you watch the Congress question the FBI director? Did you listen to the Democrats defending Hillary Clinton? That was pride (lying, flattery, incoherent, bragging) In their own minds they are a legend! But they are lying, self serving, demanding importance and respect, but do not deserve it. Most of them are thief's. And if they are religious, They will be expecting to have their seating right next to Christ!
     
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    Ok thats one answer, but you forgot one.
    Here is the question again..


    """"""""""""""""the self reformers,""""""""


    Who are you claiming these to be in 2016?
    What church or denomination?
    who?
     
  11. Douglas Summers

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    That was the answer Kidron. From the beginning of Christ building His Church, through the ages, even until now, Christ body or Church (Matt. 16:13-20) exist. It is not a denomination, It is Christ's Church as described in (Revelation 3:7-13) The pillars of truth (Rev. 3:12) (Gal. 2:9). Surely you do not think that Christ's Church is denominational? It is not.
     
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    We're early in the morning of the 7th day according to God's clock. We best be pursuing relationship in this day.
     
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    The Self Reformers are (Matt. 12:43-45) They are all those who claim to be righteous by their works. They are void of The Spirit. And they have been from the beginning of time, even until now. Self Righteous! They join their self to Christ by their own effort, but Christ does not know them.
     
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    With whom and what particular church are you so exceedingly angry?

    From what I glean from your list of "Doctrines that Divide" I garner that you are angry with Dispensational theology.

    You have been asked (I believe that I am the third poster to do so) to clarify the statements you post. Why is it you have not answered?
    Just 2 questions from curiosity: Have you ever read/studied any book on systematic theology? Have you ever studied any course from any Christian school of higher education, either on line or in person?
     
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    Grieved would be the word, and it is a warning, just as Paul, Peter, James and John warned those who play church. They were not warnings to the body of Christ, these warnings are for the self righteous and teachers of false doctrine. The Trespasser is not a church. They are what I described They were in the Garden of Eden, and are numerous today (denomination). Trespassers are described in 2 Peter Chapters 1 &2. Peter walked with Christ and knew the Truth (2 Pet. 1:14-21) And in chapter 2 he describes the Trespassers and false teachers. These teachers had heard the Gospel and became LEARNED but PRETENTIOUS (look up the meanings) They were void of the Spirit. Their pride is their spirit. Please read and study it before you reply. I'am not angry with dispensations, it is in Scripture. It means STEWARDSHIP, to be faithful and responsible for the task put before them or to completely follow the instructions of the overseer to bring about the finished results. (see to it till the end). Man has been given many stewardship's (responsibility's) through the ages by the Lord. Man has NEVER been faithful in completing any of them. A Dispensation is a Stewardship of a period of time that God gives man instruction in a certain way to bring about the intended results, And in every case, from Adam and Eve to the present time, Man has failed. So what is the point? Without God, man on his own is a failure. Man needs God!
     
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    Then are you angry with those whom God called to go to seminary, and study the Word of God?

    Are you aware that there are other ways to look at Scripture, each with valid but unique view points?

    Just 2 questions from curiosity: Have you ever read/studied any book on systematic theology? Have you ever studied any course from any Christian school of higher education, either on line or in person?
     
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    Please be specific, naming names and organizations. If you do that, maybe some here will agree with your posts, which are now seeming to be rants than discussions.
     
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    Douglas

    Quoting my questions really is not a response to the questions that each asked. The questions are germane to what you posted because they are seeking clarifications from you.
     
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    Sorry, my PC is wacky today or the forum site is not working. I will try again.
     

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