The truth about tobacco

[jeff77]

Have you ever had a nicotine addiction?

Yes, for most of the time I was a drug/alcohol addict. A few months after I quit the drugs/alcohol I thought to myself "If God set me free from drugs why am I still hanging on to cigarettes?" So I decided to quit and it was hard for about 10 days.

 

[Kathi]

Yes, for most of the time I was a drug/alcohol addict. A few months after I quit the drugs/alcohol I thought to myself "If God set me free from drugs why am I still hanging on to cigarettes?" So I decided to quit and it was hard for about 10 days.

That is great.How much did you smoke and for how long?

 

[jeff77]

That is great.How much did you smoke and for how long?

About 17 years. An average of probably 1.5-2 packs a day.

 

[Kathi]

Studies have shown that it is easier for men to stop smoking than women.My dad stopped cold turkey and he smoked 3 packs a day for many,many years.My mom did not stop.Also many who are dealing with anxiety have a harder time quitting cigarettes because it is their "Ativan".Cigarettes changes the Seritonin in the brain and gives these people relief.

 

[Knotical]

Studies have shown that it is easier for men to stop smoking than women.My dad stopped cold turkey and he smoked 3 packs a day for many,many years.My mom did not stop.Also many who are dealing with anxiety have a harder time quitting cigarettes because it is their "Ativan".Cigarettes changes the Seritonin in the brain and gives these people relief.

Actually, that depends on the person. My mom and dad smoked, then when my mom became pregnant with one of my siblings she quite cold turkey and never went back. My dad still smokes. Not sure how much, but at least a pack a day.

 

[tim-from-pa]

How can you listen to anything that "Dr" has to say? William Campbell Douglas is the tabloid of the medical profession. He's the most notorious myth spreader, not myth buster.

His incredible ignorance of modern medicine is directly harmful to the people who buy his advice.

I would pass on this guy.

To doing what? Taking cholesterol pills, watching the salt, slathering on the sun screen, low fat diets and the like, while people have been doing this and they are dying sooner and sicker than ever? As gen x would say, been there and done that. The advice they give out today is junk science and Big Pharma propaganda that no true Christian ought to listen to.

I buy his advice, and vitamins, and at 55 I don't even need to go to doctors and on no medication. If what I'm doing is that harmful, why am I here healthy while others on this forum complain about illnesses and problems all the time while telling me how harmful this is, but I'm the one who's not sick. How many times were you to the doctor this year, on antibiotics, or how many medications are you taking? Once of anything is too often IMO. No need to answer, just reflect. As for me, nada, zip.

Like Dr. Douglass, I'm a Maverick and I don't believe all the junk they say out there. At least I think for myself, and if I do myself in, it's my own doing.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

To doing what? Taking cholesterol pills, watching the salt, slathering on the sun screen, low fat diets and the like, while people have been doing this and they are dying sooner and sicker than ever? As gen x would say, been there and done that. The advice they give out today is junk science and Big Pharma propaganda that no true Christian ought to listen to.

I buy his advice, and vitamins, and at 55 I don't even need to go to doctors and on no medication. If what I'm doing is that harmful, why am I here healthy while others on this forum complain about illnesses and problems all the time while telling me how harmful this is, but I'm the one who's not sick. How many times were you to the doctor this year, on antibiotics, or how many medications are you taking? Once of anything is too often IMO. No need to answer, just reflect. As for me, nada, zip.

Like Dr. Douglass, I'm a Maverick and I don't believe all the junk they say out there. At least I think for myself, and if I do myself in, it's my own doing.

You seem to be confused with the relationship of causation and correlation. You cannot definitively demonstrate that your health is due to this man's instructions. I am perfectly healthy and I ignore every single thing this guy has to say, is my health then based off of this? Probably not (but maybe).

This year I went to the doctor 0 times, and used 0 antibiotics. Are all antibiotics and vaccines bad though? Certainly not, and the science behind it is solid. This "Dr" stands on pseudoscience and only convinces those not educated in the medical profession.

The guy is a joke, and it would actually be funny if it weren't for the fact that it was people's health he was spreading lies about.

 

[agua.]

Why does China always have to win?!

They won't be winning the WC

 

[tim-from-pa]

You seem to be confused with the relationship of causation and correlation. You cannot definitively demonstrate that your health is due to this man's instructions. I am perfectly healthy and I ignore every single thing this guy has to say, is my health then based off of this? Probably not (but maybe).

This year I went to the doctor 0 times, and used 0 antibiotics. Are all antibiotics and vaccines bad though? Certainly not, and the science behind it is solid. This "Dr" stands on pseudoscience and only convinces those not educated in the medical profession.

The guy is a joke, and it would actually be funny if it weren't for the fact that it was people's health he was spreading lies about.

Well fine, you can believe what you want. Let it then be officially recorded here since you deem him a quack that you are then advocating avoiding the sun, taking cholesterol pills, BP medications, avoiding vitamins, using chemo, and rather have people run to the doctor, and so forth, despite the fact you did not go to the doctor this year. Dr. Douglass is opposite of all that. And like those in my church that seem to run there all the time already and are "doing everything right" according to so-called medical science and medicating themselves up and are as sick as a dog and always want prayers.

But then again, I suppose we can also blame that on the foods these days that are considered "well balanced diets" we are eating that we don't need vitamins. Or perhaps void of the Spirit as well, since it brings life. In reality, compared to some of the stuff we were told is healthy and good for us, a good smoke is mild in comparison.

I say, let the guy smoke in moderation, enjoy life and live out to be a ripe old age. Anxiety and fear whether we "do everything right" will kill people sooner just in that alone. At least I am one here who can lighten up on the fellow without the nagging him, scolding, and pestering to become some exercisoholic and puritanical health guru. I'm not here to tell him what to avoid, but just suggest to get the right things, as the body is an excellent filter of all the bad, as long as it's strong, which is something (i.e. good diet advice) that is lacking these days.

 

[Kathi]

Actually it is Russian Roulette.There have been people still living at the ripe ole age of 98 and they are still smoking.Some have died.About 50% of the population gets lung cancer who have never smoked.

 

[Knotical]

Personally, as long as you know the possible risks of whatever vice you wish participate then do whatever you want. Smoking, drinking alcohol, taking controlled substances, being involved in dangerous sports (or other activities), can lead to anyone's death. The only things we should specifically steer clear of are the ones the bible forbids, or basically anything that would do damage to the vessel God gave us to take care of while we are on this planet.

This, of course, could be taken to extremes on a whole host of issues, including what kinds of foods we eat. Basically, if God is putting it on your heart to stop doing a certain thing then you should.

 

[Kathi]

Personally, as long as you know the possible risks of whatever vice you wish participate then do whatever you want. Smoking, drinking alcohol, taking controlled substances, being involved in dangerous sports (or other activities), can lead to anyone's death. The only things we should specifically steer clear of are the ones the bible forbids, or basically anything that would do damage to the vessel God gave us to take care of while we are on this planet.

This, of course, could be taken to extremes on a whole host of issues, including what kinds of foods we eat. Basically, if God is putting it on your heart to stop doing a certain thing then you should.

Right the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.We should not do anything that affects that.Cigarettes,alcohol but then God knows us and He is forgiving.Cigarettes will not keep you out of heaven you just might get there faster.

 

[TOG]

Now lets hear the truth about people who drink too much coffee (caffeine is a drug).Lets hear the truth about people who drink too much alcohol.Lets hear the truth about people who eat too much and are obese.

Sorry for the late response, but I didn't notice this thread until just now. There's plenty of information about the evils of alcohol. We have groups that help alcoholics and their families and other people close to them, such as Alcoholics Anonymous, Al-Anon and others, as well as innumerable rehab centers, and much is done to try to get people to control their drinking. As for the others, when was the last time someone blew caffeine in your face? How many people die each year from second hand sugar? Those things only affect the person abusing them, and so are not really comparable to smoking. Chewing tobacco and snuff can both give you cancer, but they don't affect others the way smoking does. That's probably the reason you don't hear as much against them. If someone wants to smoke in his or her own home, then that's fine with me, but when they start blowing poison in my face, I reserve the right to say something about it.

The TOG​

 

[Kathi]

Sorry for the late response, but I didn't notice this thread until just now. There's plenty of information about the evils of alcohol. We have groups that help alcoholics and their families and other people close to them, such as Alcoholics Anonymous, Al-Anon and others, as well as innumerable rehab centers, and much is done to try to get people to control their drinking. As for the others, when was the last time someone blew caffeine in your face? How many people die each year from second hand sugar? Those things only affect the person abusing them, and so are not really comparable to smoking. Chewing tobacco and snuff can both give you cancer, but they don't affect others the way smoking does. That's probably the reason you don't hear as much against them. If someone wants to smoke in his or her own home, then that's fine with me, but when they start blowing poison in my face, I reserve the right to say something about it.

The TOG​

Chewing tobacco is actually more of a risk for mouth cancers.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Yeah, I suppose alcohol had to creep into this conversation somehow. That's not a forbidden food in the bible, but like any food, one can overindulge. That's a form of gluttony. So yeah, alcohol in moderation is OK, and even healthy, but a tad on the gluttonous side if a guy goes thru say, 1.75 liters of Bacardi (and perhaps some other alcohol) in two or so weeks. I guess that would make him into the alcoholic range, at least marginally. In that case, the guy should just simply stop cold, forget about it, and go back to moderate drinking. Just get some Kosher wine or something and have a little at dinner, or times every now and then one wants to kick up.

 

[Kathi]

Yeah, I suppose alcohol had to creep into this conversation somehow. That's not a forbidden food in the bible, but like any food, one can overindulge. That's a form of gluttony. So yeah, alcohol in moderation is OK, and even healthy, but a tad on the gluttonous side if a guy goes thru say, 1.75 liters of Bacardi (and perhaps some other alcohol) in two or so weeks. I guess that would make him into the alcoholic range, at least marginally. In that case, the guy should just simply stop cold, forget about it, and go back to moderate drinking. Just get some Kosher wine or something and have a little at dinner, or times every now and then one wants to kick up.

Alcohol is a huge issue.In fact I read a while ago that alcohol can do more damage to the body than cigarettes.People who are drinkers always want to shake their finger at cigarette smokers/

 

[tim-from-pa]

Alcohol is a huge issue.In fact I read a while ago that alcohol can do more damage to the body than cigarettes.People who are drinkers always want to shake their finger at cigarette smokers/

And I agree. I can be a huge issue. That's why if one is drinking too much, should simply stop cold and after detoxifying themselves learn to drink in moderation like most people do. But as Dr. Douglass I quoted earlier says, the liver can process more alcohol than you think, and the anti-alcohol mantra is crescendoing these days, just like the "stay out of the sun nags" or "don't eat saturated fat nags" or whatever other pseudo-science there is out there.

By your admission, alcohol is worse than cigarettes, which is why I said the latter in moderation as well. Problem is, people get this "addictive" behavior (sometimes they even call it a disease), which BTW is an excuse to keep going at something they have no desire of quitting, and to do it in gluttonous excess as well.

And that's all Dr. Douglass was saying. He does not advocate smoking like a chimney, but that doctor with "incredible ignorance" as some self-assured people bamboozled by mainline thinking and pharmaceutical agendas would say, worked along side other in research and was also a surgeon. But Mavericks and people like him that buck the traditions are never received well because they don't follow the masses, which BTW, medical "science" has ceased to look for the truth and it has become a consensus science of sorts -- popular vote wins because we are so highly educated and well respected (plus a kick-back from Big Phama). I think anyone with an ounce of discernment can understand where Dr. Douglass is coming from and he feels the same way I do about what's going on. We're sick and tired of the uppity, self-righteous medical nags. Like I always quip, if they hold their noses much higher they'll catch 747's in their nostrils. Can't stand that attitude.

 

[TOG]

And I agree. I can be a huge issue.

Is that a typo, or can you really be a huge issue?

The TOG​

 

[phil marriner]

A health food addict who had been drinking up to eight pints of carrot juice a day was bright yellow when he died, an inquest at Croydon. Surrey, was told yesterday. Dr John Fabricius said he believed Mr Basil Brown' aged 48, a scientific adviser, had died of vitamin A poisoning. Mrs Brenda Brown, of Hayes Lane, Kenley, the dead man's wife, told Dr Mary McHugh, the coroner, that she had prepared the carrot juice. "Nobody pre- scribed it. He just thought it was the right way to eat. He also took vitamin A tablets."

A typical day's diet for her husband was: breakfast, carrot juice and fruit ; midday, more carrot Juice and fruit; evening meal, eggs, tomatoes, cheese. Dr J. Fabricius, the family's doctor, told the coroner that he had warned Mr Brown against his addiction to vitamin A. He had warned Mr Brown to stop taking vitamin A and had later sent him to a specialist who also warned him.

Mr Brown had been '"an intelligent man but he had a very low opinion of doctors ". Dr David Haler, a pathologist, said that Mr Brown was bright yellow when he died. Vitamin A poisoning, like alcoholic poisoning, produced cirrhosis of the liver. The inquest found that Mr Brown had died from carrot juice addiction.

 

[phil marriner]

Anti smokers should give up driving cars if they are concerned about their health and others
Exhaust fumes are twice as deadly as roads, study claims
Air pollution from exhaust fumes kills more than twice as many people as road accidents in Britain, experts claim.5000 die a year from car fumes in the UK alone. The fumes from a car is 1000 times equivalent to that of cigarettes

Diesel cars might get great gas mileage when compared to their gasoline counterparts, but now the World Health Organization has warned that diesel fumes are now known to prove lung cancer.

In fact, the W.H.O. says, diesel fumes are more carcinogenic than secondhand cigarette smoke. So dangerous, it has decided to elevate diesel to the status of “known carcinogen”, reports the New York Times.

SO who is going to give up cars answer no one.Should we class car driving as anti social