The truth about tobacco

[Kathi]

Anti smokers should give up driving cars if they are concerned about their health and others
Exhaust fumes are twice as deadly as roads, study claims
Air pollution from exhaust fumes kills more than twice as many people as road accidents in Britain, experts claim.5000 die a year from car fumes in the UK alone. The fumes from a car is 1000 times equivalent to that of cigarettes

Diesel cars might get great gas mileage when compared to their gasoline counterparts, but now the World Health Organization has warned that diesel fumes are now known to prove lung cancer.

In fact, the W.H.O. says, diesel fumes are more carcinogenic than secondhand cigarette smoke. So dangerous, it has decided to elevate diesel to the status of “known carcinogen”, reports the New York Times.

SO who is going to give up cars answer no one.Should we class car driving as anti social

Look at the pollution in states like California.I took a vacation to California several years ago.We went to San Diego on the train but stayed overnight in LA.I coughed the whole time I was in LA.I was glad to get out of there.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Nobody will give up cars. The research gives the environmentalists more of an excuse to have government enact more regulations "for our benefit" and now it will be more expensive to drive cars, with the monetary rewards of that going to special interests to further spread their dogma. These types won't be happy until we use rickshaws. Now that I said that, I have to go to my Asian sensitivity class now.

 

[phil marriner]

Exactly but those people who like to condemn smokers have been brainwashed by fascists elite who gladly fill the atmosphere with chemical plants, happily let us eat foods that are lethal, destroy the rain forests that are crucial for clean air for a few bits of furniture to sit on, drive vehicles that kill thousands, cause asthma in millions of children world wide etc etc.Allow people to drink as much as they want that leads to all sorts of crimes that cause family breakups. Dont you know your homes a swimming in deadly chemicals on your furniture, appliances etc.Where are the protests about those things, you will not get any, why because those anti smokers love those things more than anything But light up a cigarette you are the worst of the worst.

 

[Kathi]

The people who are condemning smokers need to take a good look at what they are doing in their life.

 

[phil marriner]

They will slowly introduce sharia law or in other words fascism through the back door as a way to control everything in our lives. The sad thing is the sheeple are following them and letting them set their agendas, next will be drinking, eventually cars will be taken from the ordinary person, people will be made criminals for using certain foods it goes on and on

 

[phil marriner]

Yes, it's not about the smoking its about the fact people jump on the fascist bandwagon and start condemning people who do something they dont like. But its playing right into the hands, they will brainwash you into snooping on your neighbors and family even get the children to shop on their parents for anything. DIvide and rule just what they want. They may even make it an offence to pray in your own home, how about that

 

[TOG]

Exhaust fumes are twice as deadly as roads, study claims
Air pollution from exhaust fumes kills more than twice as many people as road accidents in Britain, experts claim.5000 die a year from car fumes in the UK alone. The fumes from a car is 1000 times equivalent to that of cigarettes

If exhaust fumes are, as that article says, 1000 times as deadly as cigarette smoke, then we would expect 1000 times more people to die from the exhaust then from smoking. The article says that 5000 peopl die from car fumes every year in the UK, so that would make 5 dying annually from smoking. That somehow didn't sound quite right, so I looked it up.

Smoking is the primary cause of preventable illness and premature death, accounting for
approximately 100,000 deaths a year in the United Kingdom.

Source (PDF)

Something's not right here. If auto exhaust is 1000 times more deadly that tobacco smoke, then why do 20 times more people die from smoking than from exhaust? I think there might be something that somebody isn't telling us. It might have something to do with the fact that not many people actually get behind cars and put the exhaust pipe in their mouth and inhale the exhaust directly into their lungs. People do do that with tobacco though, so they get a much more concentrated dose than the exhaust you're ever likely to inhale.

The TOG​

 

[TOG]

The people who are condemning smokers need to take a good look at what they are doing in their life.

There's a big difference between condemning smoking and smokers. Don't confuse the two. I don't have anything against smokers, as long as they don't insist on blowing poison in my face.

The TOG​

 

[Knotical]

Something I think is missing from this study you mentioned, TOG, is what kind of correlation there is between smokers and those who get sick from exhaust fumes. I think it something that is very difficult to prove considering all the stuff that is in our atmosphere. Sure inhaling smoke is unhealthy, but so is inhaling exhaust, and other things that are floating around in our atmosphere.

 

[phil marriner]

AH so that makes it ok. As i said its got nothing to do with smoking there are other issues involved. But to add to that in 1956 4000 children in London had to be hospitalzed because of of car fumes in one day. Its not that i disagree with you its obvious people should not smoke especially in enclosed areas.Thats not the point.Where are the arguments against cars, nowhere because you have not been conditioned YET into thinking car driving is wrong, one example of many things. You go to any emergency dept in the uk on a weekend. Its not full of smokers but full of people full of drink.SO is your argument against drinking also,

 

[Knotical]

AH so that makes it ok. As i said its got nothing to do with smoking there are other issues involved. But to add to that in 1956 4000 children in London had to be hospitalzed because of of car fumes in one day. Its not that i disagree with you its obvious people should not smoke especially in enclosed areas.Thats not the point.Where are the arguments against cars, nowhere because you have not been conditioned YET into thinking car driving is wrong, one example of many things. You go to any emergency dept in the uk on a weekend. Its not full of smokers but full of people full of drink.SO is your argument against drinking also,

Actually, there is an argument against cars. The problem is there is not enough of an incentive to do anything about it as gas prices are still affordable enough not to do anything. Of course affordability is different for everyone, but until they increase gas prices to a point where people really take stock in how much they drive and start drastically cutting back, nothing is going to be done.

Sure, we have hybrid and electric cars, but they don't make up enough of the total number of vehicles on the road to make an impact. Oil companies are still making money, because people are still buying cars and filling up with regular gas. No viable alternative has been developed on a scale that could possibly replace internal combustion engines that run on gas.

 

[phil marriner]

But if people are worried about smokers so much then they must be worried about car fumes more so in that case should be shouting loud about the effects of car fumes but no because cars are idols and people are emotionally attached to cars.Yes know some will say well i got to get to work etc etc. SO does that justify helping to kill thousands of children or causing life long diseases

 

[TOG]

AH so that makes it ok.

Nobody said that. It's not ok, it's just not comparable.

But to add to that in 1956 4000 children in London had to be hospitalzed because of of car fumes in one day.

Car fumes or smog? Do you have a link?

Where are the arguments against cars,

All over the place. Have you missed whole discussion on Global Warming the past few years? Whatever your position on that is personally, the theory is that greenhouse gasses are causing the climate to get warmer. The easiest source of greenhouse gasses to do something about is burning fossil fuels in cars and other forms of transportation, so there has been a lot of talk about alternative fuel sources, such as electric cars or methane, which is not completely pollution free, but is cleaner than either gasoline or diesel. Of course, not everyone agrees, and there are counter-arguments, but surely you must have heard all the propaganda against pollution from cars.

SO is your argument against drinking also,

Yes. I am also against drinking to excess and against drinking at all before driving or doing anything else that could be dangerous. But two wrongs don't make a right. People can't defend smoking by pointing to something else that is also bad.

The TOG​

 

[phil marriner]

It has everything to do with it if you are concerned about smokers. So already people are refuting facts when someone points them out must be car owner you see its the same principal.It is well proved and documented around the world the effects of car fumes

Measuring amounts of air pollution accurately is questioned. It appears that lab
methods used have underestimated air pollution - a lot. This according to work in
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences' Online Early Edition.
- According to the non-profit International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT), new
car CO2 emissions are actually 25% higher on average than manufacturers report.
- According to the National Geographic, over half the air pollution in the USA is
caused by transport, mostly automobiles.
-1,400 new vehicles arrive in New Delhi, India daily adding to 7 million already there, a
65 percent increase since 2003. Resulting fine particle pollution has gone up around
47 percent and NOx rose 57 percent as well - from the New Delhi Journal. - 70% of air pollution in Chinese cities is from cars and trucks.
- 42% of air pollution in Dubai is from cars and trucks.
- 17% of air pollution in Hong Kong is caused by the 550,000 gas burning cars there.
- 80% of air pollution in Manila, the Philippines is from auto traffic.
- CO2 emissions from U.S. cars & trucks alone is about 1 million TONS per day.
- CO2 emissions from all volcanoes is about ½ million TONS per day.
- Human activities release over 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes.
- About 5-7% of the particles from worn out tires heads into the air as PM10
or less sizes. These PM sizes are bad for the lungs.
- 2010 cars are about 20 times cleaner than cars 20 years ago.
- CO (carbon monoxide) emissions have decreased a significant amount.
- HC (hydrocarbon) emissions have decreased a significant amount.
- PM 2.5 emissions have been lowered with cleaner fuels.
- PM 10 emissions will only improve with less vehicular travel.
- It is estimated that of the CO2 emissions produced over a car's lifespan, 10% come
from its manufacture and 5% from its disposal, with the remaining 85% coming from
fuel use and servicing operations.
- Sleeper cab diesel rigs idle 28 hours per week, burning 1500 gallons of fuel per
year per rig.
- Traffic congestion wastes billions of gallons of gas.

Car pollution facts - Health effects - See more at: http://evsroll.com/Car_pollution_facts.html#sthash.8Ua77njC.dpuf

Air pollution kills some 2,700 per year in Tehran, Iran. Thousands of old cars driving
around to are largely to blame.
- Researchers at MIT’s Laboratory for Aviation and the Environment have determined
that annually some 53,000 people die prematurely from road transport in the USA.
By comparison, there were 58,151 casualties in the Vietnam war.
- High levels of car and truck pollution increases hyperactivity (ADHD) in kids according
to work published in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives.
- Moms in highly car polluted areas have smaller babies which is not good for their
health. This is according to The Journal of Environmental Health Perspectives.
- The Stanford School of Medicine says Moms living in the San Joaquin Valley of
California during their early weeks of pregnancy had an elevated risk of having birth
defects in their newborns due to air pollution.
- China has its share of newborns with birth defects. In the highly polluted Shanxi
province, 140 babies out of 10,000 born have had congenital neural tube defects.
The findings are in the Aug 2, 2011 Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences.
- The Lancet medical journal reported in Dec 2012 that some 1.2 million premature
births in China were the result of bad air.
- India experienced 620,000 preemies in the same time.
- According Government of Scotland data, up to 3,000 people die there from car
induced air pollution. This is in contrast to 190 killed per year in car crashes.
- About 80 people per DAY are killed in the USA from car induced air pollution...or
- Air Particulate Matter pollution kills an average of 40,000 per year in the U.S. and
up to some 200,000 in Europe.
- 1996 EPA report: cars, trucks, and buses produce over 3,000 cases of cancer.
- China's 14 largest cities: air pollution kills 50,000 newborn babies.
- Chinas 14 largest cities: air pollution is responsible for 400,000 cases of respiratory
illness every year.
- In the formerly beautiful Hangzhou China, the sky is grey from car exhaust fumes.
- Car exhaust has also been linked to asthma, bronchitis, and other health hazards.
- If you think bad air affects only other people, think again. New information shows
that air pollution from traffic increases the chance of heart attack for everybody
breathing that air. The results are in the Journal Lancet.
- Car pollution caused "significant damage" to neurons involved in learning and
memory, and "signs of inflammation associated with premature aging and
Alzheimer's disease." The damage was to lab mice.
- Intensive Car and truck pollution is shown to increase the risk of premature birth by
30%. The Univ. of Ca. Reports from traffic related air quality data in In Los Angeles.
- Chronic Car pollution in Denmark increases the Risk for Diabetes in healthy folks by
some 4%. The Nitrogen oxides in car pollution seems to be the culprit.
- Those in dirty diesel areas are up to 3 times more likely to contract deadly lung
cancer than those in cleaner air areas.
- Research by the Columbia Center for Children's Environmental Health shows that
kids in highly inner city areas are way more likely to be obese due to high pollution
levels from cars and trucks. Diesel busses and trucks are the worst.
- Hong Kong residents are heading to the Emergency Room in increasing numbers
and passing away at the rate of 3,200 per year or nearly 10 per day due to bad air.
Many plan to move to escape the particulate poisons.
- Some 4,000 London residents per year face early death to car pollution according to
a report by the Kings College in London - See more at: http://evsroll.com/Car_pollution_facts.html#sthash.8Ua77njC.dpuf


SO back to my original posting are anti smokers going to give up their cars for the sake of their children,community and the environment

 

[phil marriner]

No one is defending smoking you miss the point of everything im saying. It has to do how you have been conditioned to think by other with agendas.In relaity cars and alcohol destroy life much more than smokers do.SO will you stop drinking and give up your car

 

[TOG]

No one is defending smoking you miss the point of everything im saying. It has to do how you have been conditioned to think by other with agendas.In relaity cars and alcohol destroy life much more than smokers do.SO will you stop drinking and give up your car

First of all, I don't drink and I don't have a car, so your accusations against me don't work. Try to find out more about people before you start accusing them of something without knowing whether they are guilty of it. Secondly, nobody is saying that cars don't pollute or that such pollution isn't bad. But every time someone points out the hazards of smoking, smokers answer by pointing to other things such as alcohol, obesity or car fumes that are also bad, as if that somehow negated the ill effects of tobacco. It doesn't.

The TOG​

 

[Christ_empowered]

I smoke because I like it. I'm gradually switching to "vaping" (first I vaped, then I smoked again, now back to "vaping"). I don't like it when binge drinkers look down on me for smoking, lol. I'm a non-drinking smoker, which is apparently not "cool" or something. I dunno.

I can't speak for other people, but I try to eat fruit and vegetables and I take tons of antioxidants (Orthomolecular--may or may not be part of the reason for my level of health these days...) that, based on limited data (thank you, PubMed) may help reduce some of the ill effects of smoking and..well...life in general (stress, meds, etc.).

I think all smokers who cannot/will not quit should try some supplements. Clearly, I'm not a doctor, but it makes sense to try to put back, in high doses, what smoking depletes from your body. I think of it as Harm Reduction. With Harm Reduction, I'm personally going a step further and switching to vaping, until such a time as I can drop nicotine all together.

Anyway...that's my rant on smoking.

 

[Kathi]

I smoke because I like it. I'm gradually switching to "vaping" (first I vaped, then I smoked again, now back to "vaping"). I don't like it when binge drinkers look down on me for smoking, lol. I'm a non-drinking smoker, which is apparently not "cool" or something. I dunno.

I can't speak for other people, but I try to eat fruit and vegetables and I take tons of antioxidants (Orthomolecular--may or may not be part of the reason for my level of health these days...) that, based on limited data (thank you, PubMed) may help reduce some of the ill effects of smoking and..well...life in general (stress, meds, etc.).

I think all smokers who cannot/will not quit should try some supplements. Clearly, I'm not a doctor, but it makes sense to try to put back, in high doses, what smoking depletes from your body. I think of it as Harm Reduction. With Harm Reduction, I'm personally going a step further and switching to vaping, until such a time as I can drop nicotine all together.

Anyway...that's my rant on smoking.

What is "vaping"?

 

[Christ_empowered]

oh...using e-cigarettes or, in my case, a vaporizer w/ nicotine liquid, usually flavored.

 

[phil marriner]

Just because the fumes are 1000 times greater is not t

First of all, I don't drink and I don't have a car, so your accusations against me don't work. Try to find out more about people before you start accusing them of something without knowing whether they are guilty of it. Secondly, nobody is saying that cars don't pollute or that such pollution isn't bad. But every time someone points out the hazards of smoking, smokers answer by pointing to other things such as alcohol, obesity or car fumes that are also bad, as if that somehow negated the ill effects of tobacco. It doesn't.

The TOG​

Please do not have a persecution complex.Im not throwing accusations at you.Im speaking in general terms.It does not matter if you smoke or have a car but i apologise if you think that. Im pointing out how the fascist elite have conditioned people to condemn smokers when much worse things are done in society equivalent to things like smoking. So it goes that cars are just as bad if not worse.So we should all giveup cars using the same arguments against smoking