Bible Study The Unforgivable Sin?

[Elijah674]

I can agree with this portion.

There comes a time when no remedy remains.

2 Chronicles 36
(15) And the LORD God of their fathers sent to them by his messengers, rising up betimes, and sending; because he had compassion on his people, and on his dwelling place:
(16) But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy.
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Hi, good verses. And the point is, is that when we have been led of the Holy Spirit into any Truth, (Rom. 8:14) it is then the Psalms 19:13 presumption towards the Great Transgression to where in time it is near impossible to have Him reach us if we balk for to long. (Quench or Grieve)

We can understand Cain in Gen. 4:7 with even being talked with person to person with God. Up to this time we have no record of his being disobedient. He was a grown & mature person. And with God speaking with him, it is as the Acts 5 last full cup act of the Holy Spirit rejection of Ananias & Sapphira, as I see it. Final mature decision in the wrong direction.

And the ones in Laodicea 3:16-17 surely are the last Virgin's [whole] Fold. Yet, it is almost impossible to reach these Christians ones who have a lukewarm Love for Christ.
Their presumption has put Christ in second place above everything for so long, that they cannot hardly be moved, and they will be SPEWED OUT.
(see Rev. 2:5) But notice the rest of the verse! The COLD unrepentant sinner can be reached before these Christians.

And surely the Rev. 17:1-5 ones who are prophesied rejected, still think that they are securely saved. OSAS. But it is their false known Holy Spirit CONVICTED doctrines that they still cling to & will not let go of that is their Great Transgression of Presumption, the Sin Against The Holy Ghost. Way past any 120 years as seen in the Gen. 6:3's STRIVING OF THE HOLY GHOST & then the Ark's SHUT DOOR of their Probation. And the reason for this again?? They just 'become' UN/REACHABLE!

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

The Unforgiveable SIN.

Rom.8

[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

There we are with the Promise of [[NO CONDEMNATION]], PERFECT!
Christ DID IT ALL!

OK: This verse 'understood' is Truth POSITIVE, Now what?? I have come to Christ in total surrender, I have (there are a few I's here that are required that I (a work) have done even so far???) been Born Again, I have been MADE A PARTAKER OF THE HOLY GHOST, (Heb. 6) so now what do we read? Jesus was PERFECT & IS such! His Sacrifice was Flawless! And that [IS ALL TRUTH]! But where does that now in Rom. 8:1 go from there????

O.S.A.S. has one on his way to the sin against the Holy Ghost. There is NOTHING that you can do, or need to do when JUSTIFIED IN CHRIST, is taught for the bottom/line. You too, have as did the Old Church (Acts 7:38) of the Virgin HOUSE OF Israel, OFFERED THE PERFECT REQUIRED SACRIFICIAL LAMB and now have NO CONDEMNATION IN Faith, PERFECT! (Heb. 11:13)

And what was then REQUIRED + what IS NOW REQUIRED??? NO WORK??? Matt. 10:38.
As stated that 'teaching' has one on the path of the Sin Against the Holy Ghost for [US ALL WHO WILL BE LIVING JUST BEFORE CHRIST COMES AGAIN!]

Now: This above paragraph needs to be understood! [MORE 'WORK',] Got THAT??? in other words it is 'required' WORK for me to explain that there are many who have DIED BELIEVING ERROR, yet have lived the best (WORK again!) that they had known, who will be saved!

But, that is NOT the ones who are living today. Hosea 4:6, Dan. 12:4, John 10:16 +,+,+ Rev. 18:4! For these ones to just keep on & on teaching this falsehood for truth stuff? these ones will find their names in time removed from the Book of Life as Rev. 22:18-19 & Exod. 32:32.

Again, this is not any ment to be any personal application by me, but it is the fatal flawed doctrinal teaching of a whole denomination + many other PARTAKERS who will be REQUIRED to heed the WARNING of Rev. 18:4 before Christ comes again, or be Eternally Lost! Obad. 1:16

--Elijah

 

[tjw]

Question: If a Christian blasphemes the Holy Spirit, but then repents and asks for forgiveness, will that person be saved?

 

[Elijah674]

Question: If a Christian blasphemes the Holy Spirit, but then repents and asks for forgiveness, will that person be saved?

To blaspheme is not a one time sin. It takes many times over of sinning to COMPLETE this FULL sin. James 1:15. Take note of the pre/flood ones having the preacher of Rightousness along with the [STRIVING] of the Holy Ghost for 120 years before He was No Longer Able to reach them. Also see Rev. 17:1-5 ones with well over the time of 120 years, & then THE TRUTH that is prophesied of them. Ask yourself what known false doctrine has been corrected in all of this time period?

See if this below helps??

OK: Let's get this correct from the Start. We KNOW that God only is IMMORTAL! 1 Tim. 1:17 & 1 Tim. 6:16) And He said, let [[US]] (another With Plural of IMMORTALITY) make man in [OUR IMAGE]! Got that??

NO?? Well, with all the other's that are Their Created ones, (even other worlds stated twice in Heb.) we 'see' [only GOD] with Immortality! We even see Lucifer in Eze. 28:15 as being 'created' & angels which are called 'ministering spirits' and not having an image/per/say. Heb. 1:14

Now:
Freedom of Choice. Was Adam created with freedom of choice? God said that he was created VERY GOOD, yet, He 'choose to' sin! And was he IMMORTAL? Or did he only have CONDITIONAL IMMORTALITY? If Adam had not sinned, would he have had.. or been Immortal? And Adam did sin as we full well know. Now, did he have a free choice to sin or not to sin?? Remember now that he & Eve both were created sinless, and very good or perfect!

Until one can get past this correctly, they have no business trying to teach anyone else! Rev. 22:18-19 + Exod. 32:33. Yet, this is exactly why theseTruths are hard to understand. We even have some here writing books that are not even past Gen. 3! And one wonders how the Rev. 17:1-5 Truth went this far? See Jer. 17:5.

SO: there is sin & there is the sin unto eternal death. 1 John 5:16-17. Luiffer (satan in heaven) sinned the Sin Unto Death which means that his sin reached FULL MATURITY! Finished, as in James 1:15. But Adam nor Eve's sin did. They sinned but they did not continue in sin as did their first born son Cain did in Gen. 4:7.

It is not the one time sin that is the sin against the Holy Ghost, but the continuence in [known sin]. Psalms 19:13

Fact: God said,
Gen. 3
[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to 'know good and evil': and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

(what sinner will be let out of hell/fire to eat of the tree of life? None! Obad. 1:16 But satan and his doctrine teach...)

satan says:
Gen. 3
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, [Ye shall not] surely die:

God explains:
Rev. 21's last verse & Rev. 22 1-3

[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or [maketh a lie]: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

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[1] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

[2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there [the tree of life], which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

How do these posses Immortality? (Conditionally as did Adam) And because sin will never arise again, (Nah. 1:9) these 'Fully Matured ones' will have Eternal access to the 'above' Tree of Life and its fruit.
Forever!

--Elijah

 

[Alabaster]

Question: If a Christian blasphemes the Holy Spirit, but then repents and asks for forgiveness, will that person be saved?

Christians don't need to worry about such a sin. It is committed by the unregenerate.

 

[tjw]

Christians don't need to worry about such a sin. It is committed by the unregenerate.

Is it more of a state of mind than a one time act?

 

[Alabaster]

Is it more of a state of mind than a one time act?

Not so much a state of mind, but a heart condition---an unregenerated spirit, which means only unbelievers can commit this sin.

 

[Elijah674]

Is it more of a state of mind than a one time act?

Jas.1

[1] James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
[2] My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
[3] Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
[4] But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. (Entire is Perfectly MATUREED)

.....
[8] A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

(Maturing in the wrong FATAL Direction in [ALL] his ways)

.....

[12] Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

[13] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, [when it is finished], bringeth forth [death].


Fully Matured finds the one (or ones) eternally lost & beyond reach! Gen. 3:6 + 1 John 5:17. Obad. 1:16!

--Elijah

 

[Strangelove]

Not so much a state of mind, but a heart condition---an unregenerated spirit, which means only unbelievers can commit this sin.

While that statement is technically correct, it's important to understand that people who profess to be Christian can still commit the unpardonable sin.

The sin is a deliberate, premeditated lie. It is ascribing the power which you KNOW to be that of the Holy Spirit...to satan.

 

[Elijah674]

While that statement is technically correct, it's important to understand that people who profess to be Christian can still commit the unpardonable sin.

The sin is a deliberate, premeditated lie. It is ascribing the power which you KNOW to be that of the Holy Spirit...to satan.

Excellent post as God DOCUMENTS it! In fact there are NO verses seen where that any who at one time were saved such as the Rev. 2:5 & Rev. 3:16 WARNS Of, that could not then be Lost! (and surely God knew Eternally that they would do so)
Even Compare 2 Sam. 10:6-9 where God GAVE SAUL A NEW HEART & he was TURNED INTO [ANOTHER MAN]! (how much more Born Again could a person be than this, huh? 2 Cor. 3:3)

And later on?? 1 Sam. 16:14 'an evil spirit' took over.

--Elijah

 

[Alabaster]

While that statement is technically correct, it's important to understand that people who profess to be Christian can still commit the unpardonable sin.

The sin is a deliberate, premeditated lie. It is ascribing the power which you KNOW to be that of the Holy Spirit...to satan.

A born against Christian need not worry that he will commit such a sin. This particular sin is only committed by reprobates.

 

[Strangelove]

A born against Christian need not worry that he will commit such a sin. This particular sin is only committed by reprobates.

Would you say to ANYONE who professes to be Christian that they cannot commit the unpardonable sin? Would that be your teaching?

 

[zone]

The Unforgiveable SIN.

Rom.8

[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

There we are with the Promise of [[NO CONDEMNATION]], PERFECT!
Christ DID IT ALL!

OK: This verse 'understood' is Truth POSITIVE, Now what?? I have come to Christ in total surrender, I have (there are a few I's here that are required that I (a work) have done even so far???) been Born Again, I have been MADE A PARTAKER OF THE HOLY GHOST, (Heb. 6) so now what do we read? Jesus was PERFECT & IS such! His Sacrifice was Flawless! And that [IS ALL TRUTH]! But where does that now in Rom. 8:1 go from there????

O.S.A.S. has one on his way to the sin against the Holy Ghost. There is NOTHING that you can do, or need to do when JUSTIFIED IN CHRIST, is taught for the bottom/line. You too, have as did the Old Church (Acts 7:38) of the Virgin HOUSE OF Israel, OFFERED THE PERFECT REQUIRED SACRIFICIAL LAMB and now have NO CONDEMNATION IN Faith, PERFECT! (Heb. 11:13)

And what was then REQUIRED + what IS NOW REQUIRED??? NO WORK??? Matt. 10:38.
As stated that 'teaching' has one on the path of the Sin Against the Holy Ghost for [US ALL WHO WILL BE LIVING JUST BEFORE CHRIST COMES AGAIN!]

Now: This above paragraph needs to be understood! [MORE 'WORK',] Got THAT??? in other words it is 'required' WORK for me to explain that there are many who have DIED BELIEVING ERROR, yet have lived the best (WORK again!) that they had known, who will be saved!

But, that is NOT the ones who are living today. Hosea 4:6, Dan. 12:4, John 10:16 +,+,+ Rev. 18:4! For these ones to just keep on & on teaching this falsehood for truth stuff? these ones will find their names in time removed from the Book of Life as Rev. 22:18-19 & Exod. 32:32.

Again, this is not any ment to be any personal application by me, but it is the fatal flawed doctrinal teaching of a whole denomination + many other PARTAKERS who will be REQUIRED to heed the WARNING of Rev. 18:4 before Christ comes again, or be Eternally Lost! Obad. 1:16

--Elijah

elijah
i understand how you can come to the conclusion you have using the above passages as proof texts.

unfortunately, you have cut some verses in half, losing the context and have made them say the opposite of what they say.

please repost Romans 8 IN CONTEXT: you will see it is describing regenerate vs unregenerate men, not born again believers who still fall short at times.

the ppl in Hebrews 6 were drawing NEAR to the Promise (they were listening, on the fringes) but were in danger of falling away back under The Law (where there is then no more sacrifice for sins) - this parallels the children of Israel in the wilderness who after all they had seen of God, and had heard of The Promise, they shrunk back in unbelief and perished.

this is a pretty serious issue elijah: handling Law & Gospel correctly is criticial. the judaizers in Galatians taught another gospel (no gospel at all - righteousness by something we 'do') and Paul warned they were to be CURSED.

GOD WILL NOT SHARE HIS GLORY.
GOD IS PLEASED WITH HIS SON.
WE ARE GRANTED SALVATION STRICTLY BY HIS GRACE AND POWER (we deserve death & hell).

 

[Elijah674]

elijah
i understand how you can come to the conclusion you have using the above passages as proof texts.

unfortunately, you have cut some verses in half, losing the context and have made them say the opposite of what they say.

please repost Romans 8 IN CONTEXT: you will see it is describing regenerate vs unregenerate men, not born again believers who still fall short at times.

the ppl in Hebrews 6 were drawing NEAR to the Promise (they were listening, on the fringes) but were in danger of falling away back under The Law (where there is then no more sacrifice for sins) - this parallels the children of Israel in the wilderness who after all they had seen of God, and had heard of The Promise, they shrunk back in unbelief and perished.

this is a pretty serious issue elijah: handling Law & Gospel correctly is criticial. the judaizers in Galatians taught another gospel (no gospel at all - righteousness by something we 'do') and Paul warned they were to be CURSED.

GOD WILL NOT SHARE HIS GLORY.
GOD IS PLEASED WITH HIS SON.
WE ARE GRANTED SALVATION STRICTLY BY HIS GRACE AND POWER (we deserve death & hell).

???? you will need to post the verse(s) that you are talking around here for me to understand your remark. NO one here at my end misunderstand God's GRACE, but just the ones who (did & do) bring the Psalms 77:13 Sanctuary offering to the Altar & then declared NOTHING MORE 'NEEDED' LORD!! & then trotted back on home as lost as ever! Obad. 1:16

And Go forward into the REQUIRED SANCTIFICATION [WORK]?? Are you kidding? Surely not these ones! Rom. 8:14 FINDS THEM 120 years + way way past the Striving of the Holy Spirits TRYING to LEAD them!

But that was just 'one' of the devil's false doctrines, huh!

--Elijah

 

[whitney]

While that statement is technically correct, it's important to understand that people who profess to be Christian can still commit the unpardonable sin.

The sin is a deliberate, premeditated lie. It is ascribing the power which you KNOW to be that of the Holy Spirit...to satan.

Exactly! As in a miracle in healing from God, they happen, so we can not deny it is from the Holy Spirit or that is hasn't happened at all.

 

[Alabaster]

Would you say to ANYONE who professes to be Christian that they cannot commit the unpardonable sin? Would that be your teaching?

Many young, immature believers have this fear that they will commit this sin or they are tyrannized that they have committed it! That is from Satan.

Christians cannot commit it, for they have consciences that are activated by the Holy Spirit.

Anyone who cares about whether or not they sin at all will not do such a thing. Only reprobates can commit this sin without a shred of remorse.

In fact, I lean toward the understanding I have heard that Jesus was speaking in His time only, referring to the Pharisees and Sadducees who knew He was Christ and reviled Him and declared His works as from the devil. The declaration Jesus makes may not even go beyond those people.

 

[Strangelove]

Exactly! As in a miracle in healing from God, they happen, so we can not deny it is from the Holy Spirit or that is hasn't happened at all.

Cool, but if its not an instant miraculous healing then its ok to question it without fear of commiting that sin. In fact, as long as your not DELIBERATELY lying then its ok to even make a mistake.

Miraculous instant healing at the hands of the Apostles and Jesus happened in scripture. I would never say they came from another spirit coz I'm 100% sure.

It's ok to question stuff whitney as long as you are sincere. Don't be afraid to test the spirits. God commands us to do it remember.

 

[Elijah674]

Cool, but if its not an instant miraculous healing then its ok to question it without fear of commiting that sin. In fact, as long as your not DELIBERATELY lying then its ok to even make a mistake.

Miraculous instant healing at the hands of the Apostles and Jesus happened in scripture. I would never say they came from another spirit coz I'm 100% sure.

It's ok to question stuff whitney as long as you are sincere. Don't be afraid to test the spirits. God commands us to do it remember.

+ surely why God does not heal as well! Christ was without honor in His own country? Matt. 13:58 'And he did [not many] mighty works there [because of their unbelief].'

 

[whitney]

+ surely why God does not heal as well! Christ was without honor in His own country? Matt. 13:58 'And he did [not many] mighty works there [because of their unbelief].'

I agree, Elijah.

When He did and does heal, then we can not deny it's the Holy Spirit.

 

[Elijah674]

I agree, Elijah.

When He did and does heal, then we can not deny it's the Holy Spirit.

Hey, 'i' did not exactly say that did I?? Is there not more to come??
Adam sinned & mankind started dieing, right? (if we believe God?) And there was NO way back until the Plan was given by the Godhead.

OK: Christ said that we MUST BE BORN AGAIN to be saved! Now WAIT! Lets say that we are not ever Born Again. So here is my point, was my IQ, and was my Love completely gone at Adams sin? NO.
OK: How about my natural 'healing abilities' that God CREATED me with, were these gone all at once?

OK: The Holy Spirit after Adam sinned finds at the time of the flood His STRIVING for 120 years with Noah's preaching. Yet, what were the results? And do you think that they were not still with their natural created disease fighting gens? Most of these evil ones even lived to nearly 1000 years old.

I will say this though, even today's open sinners have not lost all of the Lord's power that He created man with. They still have 'will' power. Just say.. that they quite smoking?? They might say... I QUITE SMOKING!! ;) But perhaps you and I will agree that the power came from God & they just do not understand that?!
Yet, that is not the sin against the Holy Ghost yet!
Gen. 6:3 finds the Shut Door of the Ark. Yet, it took quite a span of time for that Door of Probation to CLOSE! Even the Rev. 17:1-5 ones have long gone past that time period as the Whores Daughters and most just will not budge!

And the IQ of mankind? What sinner gives God the credit there?

--Elijah