False! Mark 3:29 but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin: because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
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False! Mark 3:29 but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin: because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
Bonairos
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Rockie,
Please read my post again BEFORE making a such a quick (typical, religious Christian) judgement!
True, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit shall never be forgiven. But then again, If I, or anyone else committed such blashpemy, to acknowledge, let alone confess would never enter our thoughts.
For if I did confess any sin to God , and could not gain forgiveness, then 1 John 1:9 has been misinterpreted throughout the ages.
Perhaps we're looking at this from two different perspectives. You choose to highlight what keeps a person from God. I choose to highlight what brings one to Him.
Be blessed, Stay blessed!
Please read my post again BEFORE making a such a quick (typical, religious Christian) judgement!
True, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit shall never be forgiven. But then again, If I, or anyone else committed such blashpemy, to acknowledge, let alone confess would never enter our thoughts.
For if I did confess any sin to God , and could not gain forgiveness, then 1 John 1:9 has been misinterpreted throughout the ages.
Perhaps we're looking at this from two different perspectives. You choose to highlight what keeps a person from God. I choose to highlight what brings one to Him.
Be blessed, Stay blessed!
This is not what you said in your first post, what you said is:
This is not true, He said He will not forgive us for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
I am not leading people away, just pointing out, that's what this thread is about.
Bonairos
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Rockie,
That is exactly what I said in my original post. Again re-read.
I said HE WILL forgive . . . (get ready now) . . . IF we confess ANY sin.
Hence, if the sin can't be forgiven, the sin will not be confessed! For, "IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9 / NKJV)
We get caught up on THEE unpardonable sin, when murmuring and complaining (and all else) can too apply and bring the same result. No confession, no forgiveness.
The initial post was, "The Unforgivable Sin?" Perhaps I went too deep by being so simple..
I pray God gives both of us wisdom; How and what we relay for others to ponder.
Be blessed, Stay blessed!
That is exactly what I said in my original post. Again re-read.
I said HE WILL forgive . . . (get ready now) . . . IF we confess ANY sin.
Hence, if the sin can't be forgiven, the sin will not be confessed! For, "IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9 / NKJV)
We get caught up on THEE unpardonable sin, when murmuring and complaining (and all else) can too apply and bring the same result. No confession, no forgiveness.
The initial post was, "The Unforgivable Sin?" Perhaps I went too deep by being so simple..
I pray God gives both of us wisdom; How and what we relay for others to ponder.
Be blessed, Stay blessed!
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Elijah674
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MY COMMENTS: Of course, It is God through Christ who saves to the uttermost.
Jesus emphasized this to his disciples in Matt.19:24-26, when he said
"It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And when the disciples heard it they were astonished exceedingly, saying 'Who then can be saved?' And Jesus looking upon them said to them, 'With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." RSV.
It always seems a good argument to appeal to man's "free will" to accept or reject salvation, but according to Paul, quoting from the Psalms and Isaiah in Romans 3:10-18, no one seeks after God, no one understands, there is no fear of God before their eyes, etc.
Yes, the Spirit of God moves and draws whosoever He will; and people accept Christ because they want to, they are convinced they need a Savior. And then the love of God is shed abroad in their hearts.
Again, man by his own "Free Will" would never seek God.
There are many passages of Scripture proclaiming the Good News, that Christ died for our sins, etc, but not the one in Rev. 14:6.
The good news the angel proclaimed to those on the earth during the great tribulation is this in verse 7:
"Fear God, and give him glory; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven and earth and sea and fountain of waters."
As for those who were drowned in Noah's flood; is that the end of them?
No indeed, for all the dead, from Adam on, who have not been resurrected to life, will be raised to appear before the great white throne with Jesus Christ as the judge (Rev. 20:11-15).
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Elijah674
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'Again, man by his own "Free Will" would never seek God.'
--Elijah back with you.
The above is the only part of your good [post] that we might disagree on?
My thinking is that all of the Lord's creation from eternity on were created with a 'will' to Worship God. (Seek God!) I do not see this gone until the FINAL FULL CUP Sin against the Holy Ghost was & IS committed. James 1:15 & the 1 John 5:16-17 verses.
Yet, the STRIVING of the Holy Spirit is not letting Him to again CONTROL ones life! (again Gen. 6:3 & Rev. 17:1-5 ones) That is [our free will choice] as 'i' see it in the Whole Book. And 'seeking' God, is called force to do so??
--Elijah back with you.
The above is the only part of your good [post] that we might disagree on?
My thinking is that all of the Lord's creation from eternity on were created with a 'will' to Worship God. (Seek God!) I do not see this gone until the FINAL FULL CUP Sin against the Holy Ghost was & IS committed. James 1:15 & the 1 John 5:16-17 verses.
Yet, the STRIVING of the Holy Spirit is not letting Him to again CONTROL ones life! (again Gen. 6:3 & Rev. 17:1-5 ones) That is [our free will choice] as 'i' see it in the Whole Book. And 'seeking' God, is called force to do so??
NewLife Church
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Matthew 6:15 (KJV)
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
When a person does not forgive, the root of bitterness can set in and it causes the individual to reject God's forgiveness. If we don't forgive- God won't forgive!
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
When a person does not forgive, the root of bitterness can set in and it causes the individual to reject God's forgiveness. If we don't forgive- God won't forgive!
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Elijah674
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That is all Truth. But this sin that you post of has been comitted by most, and it is not the sin against the Holy Spirit per/say. (as I see it) It can & will be forgiven if repented of.
The sin against the Holy Spirit is the FINAL FULL SIN MATURED as such, that has passed the boundaries of His being able to reach us. We just will not change & has us settled in spiritual 'false' concrete! (such as OSAS) And as is seen in Gen. 6:3.
And Davids Psalm of 19:13. It is the PRESUMPTION of one doing the same known by them as sin thing (any sin) over & over again that finds the Holy Spirit finally just cannot reach the person or church even, as a whole who teaches falsehood, such as the Rev. 17:1-5 ones. See Rev. 2:5 for this removal of their candelstick. (if they were ever a candelstick + Matt. 23:38 & Matt. 25:10)
--Elijah
Having recently been afraid that I committed said sin, I have read a whole lot of interpretations. But the matter seems simple to me.
In Mark 3:29, Jesus says "whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, he is guilty of eternal sin." It then clarifies (as Webb pointed out), "He said this because they were saying 'he has an evil spirit'". So whatever it is, it must have to do with their saying it was an evil spirit. Matthew specifies the blaspheming as "speaking against" the Holy Spirit.
I have often thought that the unpardonable sin is leading people away from God by attributing His works to the Occult, or something else. Possibly it's refusing to believe, but it sounds like it involves turning others away by actively speaking out against the Holy Spirit.
Say your friend is saved, and others see the change and want to hear the gospel. You are bitter towards God so you say "Nah. They're just doing voodoo or hypnotic suggestion over there. Mass hysteria. That's why he's a changed person". The people that would have been saved lose interest and are lost. Sounds similar to me.
Perhaps unconfessed sin is never forgiven, but that seems like a different story to me. It's not that the sin wouldn't be forgiven, it's just that you don't care about it. But it has nothing to do with speaking against the Holy Spirit.
In Mark 3:29, Jesus says "whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, he is guilty of eternal sin." It then clarifies (as Webb pointed out), "He said this because they were saying 'he has an evil spirit'". So whatever it is, it must have to do with their saying it was an evil spirit. Matthew specifies the blaspheming as "speaking against" the Holy Spirit.
I have often thought that the unpardonable sin is leading people away from God by attributing His works to the Occult, or something else. Possibly it's refusing to believe, but it sounds like it involves turning others away by actively speaking out against the Holy Spirit.
Say your friend is saved, and others see the change and want to hear the gospel. You are bitter towards God so you say "Nah. They're just doing voodoo or hypnotic suggestion over there. Mass hysteria. That's why he's a changed person". The people that would have been saved lose interest and are lost. Sounds similar to me.
Perhaps unconfessed sin is never forgiven, but that seems like a different story to me. It's not that the sin wouldn't be forgiven, it's just that you don't care about it. But it has nothing to do with speaking against the Holy Spirit.
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Elijah674
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It means what it says! No creation of Christ is without God's LOVING drawings! STRIVING is the Word used in Gen. 6:3 Yet, it was met with not much good it seems.
Even find Isa. 5:1-4 with His Virgin Vineyard! Verse 4 says: 'What could have been done more to My Vineyard, that I have not done in it?..' (read verses from 1-7)
And you say.. be as satan, and use force??
--Elijah