The white horse conundrum

[Watching Thomas]

To my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Thirty years ago I had a strange experience I think was a ‘vision’. A series of simple moving images, dull colours with dull background, no sound, and short. Freaked me out and I spent hours in prayer, as did my wife who was with me, absolutely pouring our hearts out to God. And in tears.

It was a ‘vision’ of the horses and riders of Revelation 6 and a few more bits and pieces. It was burned deeply into my being. Yet it seemed incomplete since there was no message or insight with it. So, I have hardly said anything to anyone about it. Just keep seeking God about it since it seemed so important.

Last month, I believe God unlocked the ‘vision’. And it has scared me worse than when I first saw it.

I have written up my experience and my thoughts into a blog. I encourage you to read it, think and pray about it and share what you think.

The following is critical for you to understand:

I have never been that interested in Revelations or End Times as it seemed too easy to misunderstand. I hardly know the various end-time theories. I don’t hold to any of them because I don’t have enough evidence to make up my mind. I love the Gospels and letters and as a Christian that has been my focus, not Revelation.

What I wrote about my experience is not explanation for any end time theory.

I am not putting forward some new end time theory.

I am saying that by the grace and mercy of the living Lord, the God who speaks through donkeys if He so wills, I believe I have been given a sign. A sign split into two parts. A vision thirty years ago and an appointed time for the message of the vision to be revealed. Which is now.

If something is not clear in my story, please ask questions.

So please read my blog. Let us discuss it as members of the one family with gifts differing and joined together by the Holy Spirit and so built up together.

https://whitehorseconundrum.wordpress.com/
[Index of sections is on right hand side of the page.]


Here only by the grace of God and the Lord Jesus Christ,

Watching Thomas

 

[Eugene]

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Now, I have had what I strongly believe is a confirmation that North Korea and Kim Jong-un are the white horse and rider of Revelation 6:2. This implies the first seal on the scroll of Revelation 5 has been broken, or will very soon be broken, by the Lamb that was slain. Not a conclusion I take lightly nor would I ordinarily state it. This is not ordinary circumstance. https://whitehorseconundrum.wordpress.com/what-happened-part-2/

Dear Brother Watching Thomas, I enjoyed your presentation, although have questions. First of all, I too do not beleive the rider of the white horse in Rev 6:2 is Jesus as much of the Church does. I'll just list my thoughts as to vision view points, and thoughts as to why I think we'll see much clearer indications of that future day of the Lord before it comes.

Are you aware of Rev 4:1 where John is asked to come up to heaven on the Lord’s Day, that very time when Jesus takes His own throne in Rev 4:2 prior to taking the scrolls from God the Father in Rev 5:7, that there are two portions of the Church present with Jesus? Question: how did they get caught up to be with Jesus prior to the seals being opened? This presents room for closer examination, but we read in:
Rev 5:9, And they (The 24 elders & 4 beasts or living ones) sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (actually OVER the earth from heaven) the earth.

I will agree that this time you speak of could be right at the door, but I think we’re going to see a great amount of brethren be caught up to be with Jesus first. On top of this we read in Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (Is Israel presently sacrificing again?), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. This means that 30 days prior to the week of tribulation of Dan 9:27 to anything occurring there will be sacrifice by Israel again, only to be taken away.

Mt 24:15 says it this way. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation (Commonly referred to as the anti-christ), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand. I'll leave off here before becoming so confusing as to what I'm attempting to say.

 

[Watching Thomas]

Eugene, you have made thoughtful points and posed good questions. I don't have any answers as I quickly get out of my depth with Revelation theology. However, you have got me thinking and it is the start of a fruitful discussion.

I fully agree with you about Jesus not being the rider on the white horse in Rev 6:2. In Rev 6, Jesus opens the seals and the first horse is white. In Rev 19:11-16 we also see a white horse which can be confusing. Jesus is clearly riding the white horse of Rev 19:11 but the rider of the white horse in Rev 6:2 is not described as Jesus and anyway in this setting it is Jesus opening the seals.

Your mention of brethren being caught up to be with Jesus reminded me: Years ago I had a friend (a local) in one of the countries my wife and I spent a bit of time in and he used to do trips into places too dangerous for me to visit. He would send me prayer requests because Christians were getting killed regularly. One time a mob of anti-Christians made a trek to a remote Christian village and attacked it. Hardly made a mention in the news in my country (Australia). Christians dying regularly but often not in the media. Instead, we get news of British or USA pop stars who drive their car into a post or something as if that is important. May be a heap of brethren being caught up without our news talking about it.

Watching Thomas

 

[Eugene]

Eugene, you have made thoughtful points and posed good questions. I don't have any answers as I quickly get out of my depth with Revelation theology. However, you have got me thinking and it is the start of a fruitful discussion.

Prayerfully our discussions promote thoughts of future events that help us to grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus. Your dreams and/or images you saw may be guided by new revelation to narrow in on the prophesy given you. And then I do not believe we need be concerned by what God shows us, but to use it in an effort to become more ready for His appearing. Good talking to you brother.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi Watching Thomas, I like the name as we are to be watchers so we are not taken as a thief in the night. Having trouble getting into your blog, but did read the first part. Will try again later as my computer and dial up is messing up.

I've been studying Rev for years comparing scripture with scripture, OT with NT searching the history of the times and prophecies of the OT prophets. One thing about the seven seals is that it is Jesus (Lamb) that opens them that leads up to the first woe which is the beginning of the first trumpet sounding after the seventh seal is opened. Rev 6:1-8 is presented as an outline much like Matthew 24 of the events of Gods great wrath being poured out into the world beginning with the first trumpet sounding. This is my understanding of the white horse. If you would like I can continue with the other three horses.

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

White horse represents a rider with great power and authority as in early wars where Generals would always ride a white horse as they went forth conquering and to conquer. The rider of this white horse is a false Christ: Matthew 24:5, 24; Revelation 19:11-15

When comparing scripture with scripture we see that this rider on a white horse is a form of antichrist in being a false christ that goes to conquer or in another sense deceive those in believing he is the true Christ causing many to fall away from the Lord, Zechariah Chapter 6; 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Many see this white horse and rider being Jesus, but in Rev 19:11-15 we are given a different description of a white horse and who is sitting on it as being Jesus. Instead of a bow we read a sharp sword goes out of the mouth of Jesus, which is the word of truth.

This false antichrist will show great signs and wonders that if possible will deceive even the very elect of God if they allow themselves to be taken unaware of Satan’s devices, Matthew 24:24. I read about a New Age New World Order project called Project Blue Beam. Its holographic images are beamed off of satellites that will produce images of Jesus coming in the clouds and every nation will see this simultaneously, Matthew 24:24.

The deceptive purpose is that many will see this image of Jesus, but are deceived in thinking the scriptures must not be true for they are not taken up to meet Him in the clouds. They will turn and bow down to this false antichrist and follow after him causing themselves to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, Matthew 12:31, and lose their salvation as they denounce Jesus as Lord and Savior in order to follow that of empty promises made by this antichrist. This is why it is so important to learn how to discern that of what we see, hear and read 1 John 4:1-6.

This rider has a bow, but no arrows are mentioned. We never see Jesus associated with having a bow anywhere in scripture, but always having a sword coming out of His mouth. In scripture a sword represents the true word of God as in Spiritual warfare our weapon is the witness and testimony of Jesus, 2 Corinthians 10:4.

The bow having no arrows is symbolic of Satan conquering those who say they are Christians, but have never been Spiritually born again, John 3:5-7. They claim to be a Christian, but by name only, Matthew 7:21, and have no true knowledge of Gods word. Satan sends out his false prophets to preach a deceptive word and Globally has and will continue to conquer many who have not the Holy Spirit dwelling in them as they have no knowledge of the Holy Spirit and he will do anything to keep them that way.

The crown that is given him is not a literal crown, but symbolic in its meaning as it represents his own deceitful glory as a crown of glory is given to those in leadership, 1 Peter 5:1-5, but in this case Satan’s leadership as he goes forth conquering by using his false prophets to conquer by twisting the word of God deceiving those who have no Spiritual discernment and are blindsided by what they hear and read.

 

[Watching Thomas]

Hi For_His_glory,

I appreciate your comments.

I believe the signs shown me by the Lord point to North Korea and Kim Jong un as the white horse and rider. Do you think Kim Jong un could be an anti-Christ?

The current leader of North Korea is the grandson of Kim Il-sung, who made the country as we know it today. Kim Il-sung was declared by North Korean authorities to be god. He was said to have created the world.

The son of Kim Il-sung was Kim Jong-Il who was said to be the 'son of a god'. Powerful enough to control the weather. When Kim Jong-il was born, it was said to be "heralded by a swallow, caused winter to change to spring, a star to illuminate the sky, and a double rainbow spontaneously appeared". (wikipedia.org) Talk about false signs and wonders. Since North Korea has had Christian revivals, there have been huge numbers of believers martyred and deceived which we in the West have almost no idea about.

The current leader is Kim Jong-un, the son of Kim Jong-il the son of Kim Il-sung so he comes from a line of 'gods'. He has been called "The Shining Sun" and he has continued on the practices handed down from his grandfather to his father and now to him.

This rider has a bow, but no arrows are mentioned

I have recently read commentators saying that because John mentioned a bow but didn't say arrows that it must be a fact there were no arrows. It puzzles me. I believe that no specific reference to arrows by John is not solid evidence of there being no arrows. For example, there is no mention of the horse having a saddle or the rider having clothing. We can not say one way or another about those things because there is a lack of evidence either way. And if you think having a nude rider is ridiculous, there were mercenaries who fought against the Romans who went into battle naked so naked warriors were just part of the world John lived in. In John's time, it was a possibility. But, no evidence either way so we should be careful how we interpret. We can not fill in blanks in Scripture with our ideas of what we think should be in those blanks.

Also, I used to do a lot of archery, and in conversation I might say I was going to get my bow out. But I did not say I was going to get my bow out and my string out (bows are never left strung) and my arrows out and my quiver out and my arm guards out and whatever. People who I spoke with knew if I was getting my bow out, other equipment would be involved. I did not have to list every little detail for people and I don't think John needs to list every little detail. So, my thinking is that there is no proof of there being no arrows. We can not say if there was or was not. No proof.

The bow having no arrows is symbolic of Satan

Can you please provide Scripture references to support this? I am not trying to be difficult. It is just I have never heard of this before.

I agree the crown is important. It means the rider has been given ruling authority. And Kim Jong-un is titled 'Respected General' and 'Supreme Ruler'. He metaphorically wears a crown.

From my understanding of Scripture, there is nothing which clearly rules out Kim Jong-un as the rider of the white horse in Revelation 6:2. South Korea is about 30% Christian, North Korea in the early days had powerful moves of God. The leaders of North Korea could have the blood of millions of Christians on their hands already. North Korea has been in its own tribulation for decades. That in itself does not make Kim Jong-un the rider of the white horse but it needs to be kept in mind.

I could be wrong about North Korea being the white horse so let us keep talking about it.

Watching Thomas.

 

[Willie T]

The first thing you have to get out of your head is the notion that when John wrote that letter of encouragement to Christians living in the mid A.D.60's, that it was somehow meant to be a doomsday warning for people who would not be born until 2,000 years later.

 

[Watching Thomas]

Hi Willie T, I am happy to go with that if you can convince me. Gotta convince me first. I was told at Bible College that God was clever enough with some of his prophecies for them to be properly fulfilled thousands of years later. I actually believe that he can do that. So, what evidence do you have that God does not intend Revelations to be speaking to our times? Is not the purpose of Revelations to warn about the times of the end?

And on a separate topic, since you say that God is not currently warning us about nasty things about to happen, then your are totally dismissing my experience, which is okay by me. However, I am interested in your thinking. Do you have any other evidence that what I experienced can be totally dismissed other than you believe God can not use Revelations to warn his people 2,000 years later.

Watching Thomas

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

Islam conquors with the sword in the name of peace, and mohamud rode a white horse 1600 years ago.

I acturally cannot find a time since the birth of islam to this day when it has not been conquoring with the sword in the name of peace and has over a billion captives in the world today.

Unless there is surrender like when Mohamud went on a mission to conquorer Mecca with 10,000 muslim warriors, but the people of Mecca surrended and willingly become muslims because they didnt want to fight.

The quran does say Mohamud said he had been commanded to fight all people until they confess there is no god but allah and mohamud is his messenger. And those who are with allah and mohamud are severe against the non believers and merciful among themselves.

But islam is a religion of peace.

 

[Watching Thomas]

Islam conquors with the sword in the name of peace, and mohamud rode a white horse 1600 years ago.

Welcome to the discussion, Kiwidan. You mention a sword (which the rider of the red horse carried) and you mention a white horse and Mohammad as rider. Would you like to fill out the details a bit more as to how you see this fitting in with Revelation 6? There have been plenty of situations in the world that may fit with the Revelation 6 horses and riders, however, the major difficulty is discerning which of them, if any, are the ones God is referring to in his prophetic message. Do you have any evidence which clearly indicates God was meaning Islam and Mohammad in Revelation 6:2-4? Can't just be because Islam conquers since lots of tribes and groups and countries have done and are doing that.

And I assume, with the thread topic being about The white horse conundrum, since you introduce a different conclusion regarding the white horse and rider of Revelation 6:2, that you totally dismiss what I have presented. But I am okay with that. Can you please present your reasoning why you dismiss what I have said? I am not trying to have a go at you or anyone. Just wanting thoughtful discussion.

Watching Thomas

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

Welcome to the discussion, Kiwidan. You mention a sword (which the rider of the red horse carried) and you mention a white horse and Mohammad as rider. Would you like to fill out the details a bit more as to how you see this fitting in with Revelation 6? There have been plenty of situations in the world that may fit with the Revelation 6 horses and riders, however, the major difficulty is discerning which of them, if any, are the ones God is referring to in his prophetic message. Do you have any evidence which clearly indicates God was meaning Islam and Mohammad in Revelation 6:2-4? Can't just be because Islam conquers since lots of tribes and groups and countries have done and are doing that.

And I assume, with the thread topic being about The white horse conundrum, since you introduce a different conclusion regarding the white horse and rider of Revelation 6:2, that you totally dismiss what I have presented. But I am okay with that. Can you please present your reasoning why you dismiss what I have said? I am not trying to have a go at you or anyone. Just wanting thoughtful discussion.

Watching Thomas

My appologise, I just thought i would throw mohamud in the mix because he apparently rode a white horse and Islam conquors with the sword yet political correctness says islam is peace, so i put a rider on a white horse conquoring in the name of peace, and the rider on the red horse that follows with the sword together. Sorry I just got carried away.

Probably totally irrelevant, I just put the white and red together to get islam.

 

[Watching Thomas]

Haha, that got me laughing, you must be a Kiwi from across the ditch to where I live (Australia). I can almost hear your accent as I read your post again.

(For USA readers, 1: please be aware that Australians and people from New Zealand [Kiwis] are generally very friendly with each other and have a great history of doing stuff together. Nice people, Kiwis, just bits of stirrers at times. And 2: I was not laughing at the comments about Islam but how Kiwidan threw it into the mix and got me to bite.)

Watching Thomas

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi For_His_glory,

I appreciate your comments.

I believe the signs shown me by the Lord point to North Korea and Kim Jong un as the white horse and rider. Do you think Kim Jong un could be an anti-Christ?

The current leader of North Korea is the grandson of Kim Il-sung, who made the country as we know it today. Kim Il-sung was declared by North Korean authorities to be god. He was said to have created the world.

The son of Kim Il-sung was Kim Jong-Il who was said to be the 'son of a god'. Powerful enough to control the weather. When Kim Jong-il was born, it was said to be "heralded by a swallow, caused winter to change to spring, a star to illuminate the sky, and a double rainbow spontaneously appeared". (wikipedia.org) Talk about false signs and wonders. Since North Korea has had Christian revivals, there have been huge numbers of believers martyred and deceived which we in the West have almost no idea about.

The current leader is Kim Jong-un, the son of Kim Jong-il the son of Kim Il-sung so he comes from a line of 'gods'. He has been called "The Shining Sun" and he has continued on the practices handed down from his grandfather to his father and now to him.



I have recently read commentators saying that because John mentioned a bow but didn't say arrows that it must be a fact there were no arrows. It puzzles me. I believe that no specific reference to arrows by John is not solid evidence of there being no arrows. For example, there is no mention of the horse having a saddle or the rider having clothing. We can not say one way or another about those things because there is a lack of evidence either way. And if you think having a nude rider is ridiculous, there were mercenaries who fought against the Romans who went into battle naked so naked warriors were just part of the world John lived in. In John's time, it was a possibility. But, no evidence either way so we should be careful how we interpret. We can not fill in blanks in Scripture with our ideas of what we think should be in those blanks.

Also, I used to do a lot of archery, and in conversation I might say I was going to get my bow out. But I did not say I was going to get my bow out and my string out (bows are never left strung) and my arrows out and my quiver out and my arm guards out and whatever. People who I spoke with knew if I was getting my bow out, other equipment would be involved. I did not have to list every little detail for people and I don't think John needs to list every little detail. So, my thinking is that there is no proof of there being no arrows. We can not say if there was or was not. No proof.



Can you please provide Scripture references to support this? I am not trying to be difficult. It is just I have never heard of this before.

I agree the crown is important. It means the rider has been given ruling authority. And Kim Jong-un is titled 'Respected General' and 'Supreme Ruler'. He metaphorically wears a crown.

From my understanding of Scripture, there is nothing which clearly rules out Kim Jong-un as the rider of the white horse in Revelation 6:2. South Korea is about 30% Christian, North Korea in the early days had powerful moves of God. The leaders of North Korea could have the blood of millions of Christians on their hands already. North Korea has been in its own tribulation for decades. That in itself does not make Kim Jong-un the rider of the white horse but it needs to be kept in mind.

I could be wrong about North Korea being the white horse so let us keep talking about it.

Watching Thomas.

Whether this rider had arrows or not I just always put the two together as a unit and am sure there was no need to mention arrows. It just struck me odd that they were not mentioned. We know scripture says that the thief (Satan) comes to steal, kill and destroy, John 10:10. Since Satan always does the opposite of God he also has his own unholy trinity, Satan, antichrists and demons. The bow is symbolic of conquering as he has always worked through others throughout history as many rulers in their kingdoms throughout all the nations have put to death those who witness and testify of God. There are many countries around the world whose government persecutes the Christians to death as they try to silence the word of God. Always have and always will until Christ returns. Today we think of Hitler with his mass destruction of the Jews. Men like Kim Jong-un are all apart of who Satan uses for his plan of destruction.

I have to go for now and will be back tomorrow, God bless.

 

[Watching Thomas]

There are many countries around the world whose government persecutes the Christians to death as they try to silence the word of God. Always have and always will until Christ returns. Today we think of Hitler with his mass destruction of the Jews. Men like Kim Jong-un are all apart of who Satan uses for his plan of destruction.

Exactly! Plenty of them in the world. And with all of the problem areas, who can say which of all them is what God is specifically referring to in Revelations 6 with the four horses and riders? Nobody! Only God knows. But, the Holy Spirit is given us to understand the things of God (1 Corinthians 2: 10-15). So if the Holy Spirit gives a sign to one of God's people revealing who and what in the huge crowd of possibles is the white horse and rider, then I think it beneficial to test what that person has said. I am promoting my case here.

For 30 years I was watching to see what would happen with the half message I believed the Lord gave me. Now I am confident he has given the other half. Pointed out who and what the white horse and rider are. But why me? The reason is found in 2 Corinthians 1:27. God likes to choose the foolish of this world to shame the wise, the weak to shame the strong. I am both foolish and weak. I am a nobody. Maybe it will shame some experts who think they know better than God how he is going to implement Revelation. I do not know. I do know that God has done this so there is no mistake that what is happening is the power of God the Almighty at work. Certainly there is no confusion about who should get the glory. Not some expert. Not a nobody like me. God and God alone.

Even the way God broke the sign he gave me into two parts and put 30 years between them reveals his omnipotence.

Hey, I encourage people to test what I have written. I am available on this forum for discussion. In the end, I have no special theory about Revelations, no eschatological insights. All I have is a simple message which I believe is from God and very significant even though I am a nobody and do not pretend otherwise. Test the message in the Spirit.

Watching Thomas

 

[for_his_glory]

Exactly! Plenty of them in the world. And with all of the problem areas, who can say which of all them is what God is specifically referring to in Revelations 6 with the four horses and riders? Nobody! Only God knows. But, the Holy Spirit is given us to understand the things of God (1 Corinthians 2: 10-15). So if the Holy Spirit gives a sign to one of God's people revealing who and what in the huge crowd of possibles is the white horse and rider, then I think it beneficial to test what that person has said. I am promoting my case here.

For 30 years I was watching to see what would happen with the half message I believed the Lord gave me. Now I am confident he has given the other half. Pointed out who and what the white horse and rider are. But why me? The reason is found in 2 Corinthians 1:27. God likes to choose the foolish of this world to shame the wise, the weak to shame the strong. I am both foolish and weak. I am a nobody. Maybe it will shame some experts who think they know better than God how he is going to implement Revelation. I do not know. I do know that God has done this so there is no mistake that what is happening is the power of God the Almighty at work. Certainly there is no confusion about who should get the glory. Not some expert. Not a nobody like me. God and God alone.

Even the way God broke the sign he gave me into two parts and put 30 years between them reveals his omnipotence.

Hey, I encourage people to test what I have written. I am available on this forum for discussion. In the end, I have no special theory about Revelations, no eschatological insights. All I have is a simple message which I believe is from God and very significant even though I am a nobody and do not pretend otherwise. Test the message in the Spirit.

Watching Thomas

Just wanted to let you know it's 1 Corinthians 1:27 not 2 Corinthians 1:27

No one but God alone knows what you have been given and I do feel God is giving you a glimpse of those things which will come before Christ return. We will always get opposition for those things revealed to us when we speak of them, but never let it discourage you as you know in your own heart when things revealed are truly from God.

The seven seals that only Jesus is worthy to open span the next fifteen chapters of Revelation. Chapter six only explains the first six seals as in a brief scenario of what is about to take place during the timing of Gods seven trumpet and seven vial chastisements that hopefully will bring many back to God through repentance during the time of His fierce wrath upon those of disobedience as God would that none should perish, 2 Peter 3:9.

 

[for_his_glory]

Rev 6:2 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Red horse symbolizes Global war bringing much bloodshed to the land. The rider on the red horse takes peace from the earth and they should kill one another and there was given unto him a great sword: Matthew 24:6-10; Revelation 19:15

The power that was given to this rider is from Satan who seeks to kill, steal and destroy all that is of God here on earth, John 10:10. Daniel 9:27 speaks about a seven year peace treaty between Israel and Palestine. Israel has already given up part of its land in the Gaza Strip and West Bank in order to keep peace, but are still in conflict with Palestine wanting to control all of Israel and will continue to do so through much blood shed.

Israel’s disobedience to what God has already spoken to them in Exodus 23:32-33; 34:12 will cause themselves to fall into signing a deceitful seven year peace treaty that will be set up through an antichrist New World Order. This NWO will establish a One World Government system that will deceive the world declaring peace and safety, 1Thessalonians 5:3, but then sudden destruction will fall on them and the entire world in the middle of this seven year peace treaty. Much destruction will come to the world when Satan gives power to this antichrist beast to take peace from the earth.

The sword here is a literal sword John would understand it to be in times of battle in his generation dating back to the very first battle in Genesis 14:1-16 with King Amraphel and was composed of the combined armies of Babylon, Assyria, Persia and the Hittite Empire that fought against Abraham.

The Babylon Empire of that time had risen to become a Roman Empire in John’s day as they controlled the government of Jerusalem. It was through this antichrist government that persecuted those to death who carried the witness and testimony of Jesus as they went out preaching in His name establishing the Church of Jesus wherever they traveled to.

Many of these events that John is given in Revelations, he can only relate them to his time and not the future, but these events to take place before Christ returns will be on a global scale and just not centered in Jerusalem.

 

[Watching Thomas]

Just wanted to let you know it's 1 Corinthians 1:27 not 2 Corinthians 1:27

Well, there you go! Here I was talking about me being in the category of weak and foolish and I then give the wrong Scripture reference. Agh. Thank you for pointing that out, For_His_glory. Is there an 'edit' button around anywhere?

Watching Thomas

 

[Watching Thomas]

The seven seals that only Jesus is worthy to open span the next fifteen chapters of Revelation. Chapter six only explains the first six seals as in a brief scenario

The book of Revelation has been one of my least liked books in the Bible as its complexity always does my head in. Couple of quick questions for you For_His_Glory,

1. what might be the benefit for believers if they had a clear idea of when the six seals started to be opened and
2. I realise there are a million interpretations, but how long do you think the time span is from the start of the seal opening to the new heaven and earth (Rev 21)?

Watching Thomas

 

[for_his_glory]

The book of Revelation has been one of my least liked books in the Bible as its complexity always does my head in. Couple of quick questions for you For_His_Glory,

1. what might be the benefit for believers if they had a clear idea of when the six seals started to be opened and
2. I realise there are a million interpretations, but how long do you think the time span is from the start of the seal opening to the new heaven and earth (Rev 21)?

Watching Thomas

I never understood Rev and avoided it too, but now I love digging into Rev because I want to know what is going to happen before Christ returns so I know I am prepared for those things which have to come first. To me the easiest way is to read it word by word, verse by verse and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to me what I need to understand. I use to read the whole chapter and get the jest of it like I did the whole Bible until I broke it down word and verse comparing OT with NT and the history of the times. It all boils down to listening to what the Holy Spirit is teaching me.

Personally I believe we are approaching the sixth seal as what is described in the first five has been happening for centuries, but now on a greater scale because there are more nations around the world then there were in John's day. The benefit is for everyone to take their heads out of the sand and see what is happening in the world and to make themselves ready (Spiritually born again) to be with Christ when He returns. No one can predict the time span as the timing belongs to only God, Matthew 24:36,37. As your name states, watching is what we are instructed to do so we will not be taken as a thief in the night, Matthew 26:41; 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10.

 

[for_his_glory]

Well, there you go! Here I was talking about me being in the category of weak and foolish and I then give the wrong Scripture reference. Agh. Thank you for pointing that out, For_His_glory. Is there an 'edit' button around anywhere?

Watching Thomas