There is no rapture!

[Rollo Tamasi]

Shocked by the title?
I would be.
But I want to make a point.
Many people believe in a pre-trib rapture.
It's very popular these days and most people follow the crowd and believe what everyone else believes.
I never met too many people who are mid-trib, even though their arguments for a mid-trib rapture are as good as any.
But post-trib believers are on the rise.
I became a post-trib believer because people on this forum convinced me it was the right way to go.

So with so many different beliefs, we can't all be right.
In the meantime, Christians are dying everyday.
For all intents and purposes, the day you die is your rapture.
You won't see a new body until Jesus brings you back alive, whenever that is.
And that's the whole point.
Do any of you think you'll make it through 7 years of tribulation?
Do you pre-tribbers really be;lieve you'll be around for a pre-trib rapture?
None of us know anything for sure, except that we need to be ready to meet the Lord every day of our lives, because death stalks us, rapture or no rapture.

 

[Jim Parker]

When Jesus comes again (and according to scripture, he's only coming one more time) the living Church will rise to meet Him in the air. That fact has been distorted into the "rapture" teaching and, unfortunately, made popular in the 19th century by John Darby in Britain and by Scofield (among others) in the USA.

Paul wrote to the church at Thessaloniki to calm their fears that the resurrection had already taken place and they had been left out. He said the Lord's coming and the resurrection would happen like this:
1Th 4:15-17 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

The lord will descend from heaven when He comes again to judge the living and the dead and to establish His kingdom on earth which will have no end.
Mat 25:31-32 When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. (and you know the rest. I hope.)

 

[brujaq]

Shocked by the title?
I would be.
But I want to make a point.
Many people believe in a pre-trib rapture.
It's very popular these days and most people follow the crowd and believe what everyone else believes.
I never met too many people who are mid-trib, even though their arguments for a mid-trib rapture are as good as any.
But post-trib believers are on the rise.
I became a post-trib believer because people on this forum convinced me it was the right way to go.

So with so many different beliefs, we can't all be right.
In the meantime, Christians are dying everyday.
For all intents and purposes, the day you die is your rapture.
You won't see a new body until Jesus brings you back alive, whenever that is.
And that's the whole point.
Do any of you think you'll make it through 7 years of tribulation?
Do you pre-tribbers really be;lieve you'll be around for a pre-trib rapture?
None of us know anything for sure, except that we need to be ready to meet the Lord every day of our lives, because death stalks us, rapture or no rapture.

Agree

 

[brujaq]

When Jesus comes again (and according to scripture, he's only coming one more time) the living Church will rise to meet Him in the air. That fact has been distorted into the "rapture" teaching and, unfortunately, made popular in the 19th century by John Darby in Britain and by Scofield (among others) in the USA.

Paul wrote to the church at Thessaloniki to calm their fears that the resurrection had already taken place and they had been left out. He said the Lord's coming and the resurrection would happen like this:
1Th 4:15-17 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

The lord will descend from heaven when He comes again to judge the living and the dead and to establish His kingdom on earth which will have no end.
Mat 25:31-32 When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. (and you know the rest. I hope.)

Agree here too

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

When Jesus comes again (and according to scripture, he's only coming one more time) the living Church will rise to meet Him in the air. That fact has been distorted into the "rapture" teaching and, unfortunately, made popular in the 19th century by John Darby in Britain and by Scofield (among others) in the USA.

Paul wrote to the church at Thessaloniki to calm their fears that the resurrection had already taken place and they had been left out. He said the Lord's coming and the resurrection would happen like this:
1Th 4:15-17 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

The lord will descend from heaven when He comes again to judge the living and the dead and to establish His kingdom on earth which will have no end.
Mat 25:31-32 When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. (and you know the rest. I hope.)

And do you believe you will be alive for this pre-trib rapture you are proposing?

 

[brujaq]

And do you believe you will be alive for this pre-trib rapture you are proposing?

I believe I will if the Lord gives me another 15 yrs, edit I believe post

 

[Willie T]

I believe I will if the Lord gives me another 15 yrs, edit I believe post

After 2,000 long years of nothing, how is it that you have now pegged it down to a specific 180 month period? Are you joining the ranks of the hundreds of other Prognosticators who have repeatedly embarrassed Christianity on down through the years by parading around with sandwich-boards declaring "The End is Near"?

 

[JLB]

Shocked by the title?
I would be.
But I want to make a point.
Many people believe in a pre-trib rapture.
It's very popular these days and most people follow the crowd and believe what everyone else believes.
I never met too many people who are mid-trib, even though their arguments for a mid-trib rapture are as good as any.
But post-trib believers are on the rise.
I became a post-trib believer because people on this forum convinced me it was the right way to go.

So with so many different beliefs, we can't all be right.
In the meantime, Christians are dying everyday.
For all intents and purposes, the day you die is your rapture.
You won't see a new body until Jesus brings you back alive, whenever that is.
And that's the whole point.
Do any of you think you'll make it through 7 years of tribulation?
Do you pre-tribbers really be;lieve you'll be around for a pre-trib rapture?
None of us know anything for sure, except that we need to be ready to meet the Lord every day of our lives, because death stalks us, rapture or no rapture.

 

[brujaq]

After 2,000 long years of nothing, how is it that you have now pegged it down to a specific 180 month period? Are you joining the ranks of the hundreds of other Prognosticators who have repeatedly embarrassed Christianity on down through the years by parading around with sandwich-boards declaring "The End is Near"?

I can prognosticate too , but I'm not embarrassed because I'm nothing ..

 

[Shilohsfoal]

After 2,000 long years of nothing, how is it that you have now pegged it down to a specific 180 month period? Are you joining the ranks of the hundreds of other Prognosticators who have repeatedly embarrassed Christianity on down through the years by parading around with sandwich-boards declaring "The End is Near"?

Exactly how does Christianity get embarrassed?It seems to me the only people who should have been embarrsed by someone eleses failed predictions would have been the one who made the prediction andghe followers of those who taught those predictions.Otherwise no one else has any reason to be embarrassed.
Be careful though.If someone makes a prediction and you mock them then that prediction come to pass,you will have a good reason to be embarrassed.

 

[Willie T]

Jesus pretty clearly laid out the principle to us when He said not to foolishly begin building a structure when you can't finish it, lest you be laughed at by all who heard about your folly. Likewise, don't give people a reason to laugh at Christianity by claiming the world will end by a certain date. (like so many people have)

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Jesus pretty clearly laid out the principle to us when He said not to foolishly begin building a structure when you can't finish it, lest you be laughed at by all who heard about your folly. Likewise, don't give people a reason to laugh at Christianity by claiming the world will end by a certain date. (like so many people have)

So you will be the one laughing when someone says the end is near.
Don't be surprised if the one you laugh at is right.

 

[brujaq]

And the Lord will appear the 3rd hour , I just can't say which time zone

 

[Shilohsfoal]

And the Lord will appear the 3rd hour , I just can't say which time zone

 

[Willie T]

Someone, someday will eventually happen to hit the right date if fools continue to claim every single day that ever existed in history, and in the future. But, more importantly, why insist you know the time.... when Jesus has already told you that you do not? You just trying to prove Him wrong?

 

[Jim Parker]

And do you believe you will be alive for this pre-trib rapture you are proposing?

(1) Since I have no idea whether or not I will still be alive when Jesus returns (or is I'll still be alive 5 minutes from now) There is no way for me to even make a guess.
(2) I didn't say anything about "pre-trib" anything.

In the 20th century, about 123 million people were killed in war and another 100 million murdered by socialists. That's 223 million people killed plus all the physical devastation to cities. I'd call that a "great tribulation" since there has been nothing equal to that in world history.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

(1) Since I have no idea whether or not I will still be alive when Jesus returns (or is I'll still be alive 5 minutes from now) There is no way for me to even make a guess.
(2) I didn't say anything about "pre-trib" anything.

In the 20th century, about 123 million people were killed in war and another 100 million murdered by socialists. That's 223 million people killed plus all the physical devastation to cities. I'd call that a "great tribulation" since there has been nothing equal to that in world history.

Sounds true, but might it still be birth pains?

 

[Jim Parker]

Sounds true, but might it still be birth pains?

Watch and pray.

 

[New Day Coming]

Most Christians I know, who have an "end-times" view have a strong one.

I have seen trends in eschatology come and go, but the current fashion (and lots of people I like and respect hold it) seems to be pre-wrath...

I am unfashionably and resolutely pre-trib, though I have my reasons...

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Someone, someday will eventually happen to hit the right date if fools continue to claim every single day that ever existed in history, and in the future. But, more importantly, why insist you know the time.... when Jesus has already told you that you do not? You just trying to prove Him wrong?

Jesus said no one knows the day and hour he would return.
http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-36.htm
This is the subject that context is in.
http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-30.htm

So no one knows the date he will return.But that doesn't mean you can't know anything else.He even mentioned many things that will take place before that day that you can see.He even mentioned one thing you can know the date of if you are paying attention .Yes.A date can be set on one event in the bible.One event Jesus mentioned in this same chapter.