This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world...

[Stormcrow]

Its about Jesus Christ and His Gospel is being preached throughout all the world as a witness, THEN the end will come.

Now answer me, where in Josephus writings does he talk about seeing The Lord coming in power and great glory.

Name ANY scribe or writer that has claimed to have personally witnessed Jesus Christ coming in the clouds with power and great glory.

The bible teaches - Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Where are those who have witnessed this event.

There are none, because this event is at the end of the age when He returns, as His disciples understood by their question to Him -

And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?

JLB

Did Paul write that the gospel had been preached to the whole world in Romans and Colossians or not? Stick with one issue at a time. Did Paul write these words:

...the gospel which has come to you, just as in all the world...Colossians 1:5-6 (NASB)

...the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven...Colossians 1:23 (NASB)

or not?

Did Paul write these words in Romans:

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world. Romans 1:8 (NASB)

But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD." Romans 10:18 (NASB)

or not?

Was the Bible written in your lifetime or not???

Answer these very simple questions and then I will address yours, because until I can get you to see the obvious, you will never understand the rest!

 

[JLB]

Did Paul write that the gospel had been preached to the whole world in Romans and Colossians or not? Stick with one issue at a time. Did Paul write these words:

...the gospel which has come to you, just as in all the world...Colossians 1:5-6 (NASB)

...the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven...Colossians 1:23 (NASB)

or not?

Did Paul write these words in Romans:

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world. Romans 1:8 (NASB)

But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD." Romans 10:18 (NASB)

or not?

Was the Bible written in your lifetime or not???

Answer these very simple questions and then I will address yours, because until I can get you to see the obvious, you will never understand the rest!

Praise God for their faith being proclaimed throughout the world.

That does not mean -

The Gospel Message has been presented to all whom The Lord requires for the "end" to come when He returns.

Is being proclaimed, as it is being proclaimed today.

But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD." Romans 10:18 (NASB)

I am sorry you misunderstand that Paul is quoting Isaiah.

Isaiah said - Their voice has gone out to all the earth, Not Paul!

Paul was quoting Isaiah to make a point about "righteousness of faith".

Context, Context, Context.

Had the Gospel Message been preached in all the world when Isaiah first said this. NO!

You have once again taken a scripture OUT OF CONTEXT and tried to prop up a man made doctrine!

The end comes when Jesus Christ returns!

All the misquoting and misapplying of scripture won't change that.


If evil men are still ruling this planet Jesus has not returned nor has the end come.

Why would you try to convince people otherwise?


Now for the third time -

Where are the writings of Josephus that speak of seeing Jesus coming on the clouds with power and great glory!

JLB

 

[Hitch]

Where are the writings of Josephus that speak of seeing Jesus coming on the
clouds with power and great glory

!

In the library.

 

[n2thelight]

Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. James 1:13-15 (NASB)

We are all our own, worst enemy when it comes to temptation.

Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

If satan and his angels have already been thrown into the lake of fire as preterist claim,where does the temptation come from that you all would need this armour???

Since accordinging to you satan is gone,who or what is this spiritual wickedness?

 

[n2thelight]

Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus *said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?" Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:3-6 (NASB)

Were you "born of the Spirit" the moment you believed? If so, you are in His kingdom. Now.

I see you don't understand what it means to be born again,but be that as it may,what happens when you sin?Do you go in and out of the kingdom?????

 

[n2thelight]

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

We have already established that each of us have two bodies, one is of the flesh, and the other body is a spiritual body that is within our flesh body. The spiritual body is not made alive or freed from the flesh body until the flesh body is done away with.

Now since this change dosn't take place until we sleep(die)or when Christ returns at the last trump per Paul,why are we not changed ????

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Again, what happened to our change,it should have according to your(preterist) doctrine,happened already................

Next question,you say Christ has come,so where in scripture does it say Christ returns to heaven after His return to earth????

I see plenty of scriptures that say He stays,can you show ones that say He returned to heaven?????

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him."


Where are these people??????

The above scripture's take place at the 7th trump,now since that happened in ad70 NO ONE should have died after that,we should now be in our spiritual bodies,can you explain to me why we are not?????

And again where are the saints that died in Christ that Paul says were coming back with Him????Would I be correct in stating He brought them here in ad70,and then took them back,I don't think so but what are your thoughts?????

 

[Stormcrow]

The spiritual body is not made alive...until the flesh body is done away with.

That's the heresy of gnosticism and it's another of those "gospels" against which Paul and the other apostles fought.

If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Romans 8:10-11 (NASB)

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:4-6 (NASB)

When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, Colossians 2:13 (NASB)

For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)

'Nuff said.

 

[Stormcrow]

I see you don't understand what it means to be born again

That means so very little coming from someone who has repeatedly been shown to be wrong about so much else.

 

[n2thelight]

That's the heresy of gnosticism and it's another of those "gospels" against which Paul and the other apostles fought.

If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Romans 8:10-11 (NASB)

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:4-6 (NASB)

When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, Colossians 2:13 (NASB)

For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)

'Nuff said.

So are you saying Paul was a gnostic?????

 

[Stormcrow]

So are you saying Paul was a gnostic?????

No. I believe I was clear in stating that the gospel you are preaching is a gnostic gospel. Paul refutes your claims.

 

[n2thelight]

No. I believe I was clear in stating that the gospel you are preaching is a gnostic gospel. Paul refutes your claims.

Im not preaching anything,I simply quoted Paul......Let's look again

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

What part isn't clear to you?

I Corinthians 15:39 "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."

Would you agree Paul is talking about the flesh???

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

So are you now in your spiritual body?Had Christ returned you should be.....

Again not my words but Pauls

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

Are you changed?????

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Paul says this change takes place at death or the 7th trump,whichever comes first,so again I ask,why are we not changed??????

 

[Hitch]

Im not preaching anything,I simply quoted Paul......Let's look again

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

What part isn't clear to you?

I Corinthians 15:39 "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."

Would you agree Paul is talking about the flesh???

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

So are you now in your spiritual body?Had Christ returned you should be.....

Again not my words but Pauls

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

Are you changed?????

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Paul says this change takes place at death or the 7th trump,whichever comes first,so again I ask,why are we not changed??????

Im with ya on this one Light.

 

[Stormcrow]

Read this:

http://www.facebook.com/notes/prete...thians-15-part-1-of-3-vs-1-23/329007317123615

Could not have written it better myself.

 

[n2thelight]

Read this:

http://www.facebook.com/notes/prete...thians-15-part-1-of-3-vs-1-23/329007317123615

Could not have written it better myself.

In the Gospel of John, Jesus also spoke of a resurrection of the living that would be followed by a resurrection of the dead (John 5:21-29). According to Jesus, the living would hear Him and pass from death to life; however, if these believers would die physically before His return, they would still need to experience a resurrection (John 6:39-40; 50-58; cf. John 11:27-28). This is because the regeneration of the living would not be complete until each would receive a spiritual body at the return of Christ (1Cor. 15:35f). This is what Paul wants his readers to understand; for the belief that the body was not essential to man was corrupting the behavior of this church, as it was causing them to deny their need to be redeemed from their sinful flesh (1Cor. 15:32-34).

Still I ask,why are we not in a spiritual body??????

Or are you saying we were living without a spirit????

 

[n2thelight]

I Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Through this entire chapter Paul has brought to our attention that we have two bodies within each of us. We have our physical body, which is made up of flesh and blood, and we have our spiritual body which is called our soul. The flesh body will die at some point in time and the spiritual body or soul body that houses or spirit will live on after death. "Mortal must put on immortality" applies only to the soul, for all flesh will be gone at death, or at the sounding of the seventh trumpet.


So the flesh body must be put aside before we put on our incorruptible body that will not age through the entire Millennium age. The Word "Mortal" again means "liable to die". The object of this verseis the body, and the corruptible flesh body must be changed into the body that doesn't grow old. All through this fifteenth chapter we have documented that Christ is a live, and that he lives, and it is for that reason that we are Christians. It would be senseless to be Christians if Christ did not come out of the tomb.

"This mortal must put on immortality," again means that the soul that is mortality must also put on immortality. Christ taught in Matthew 10:25-28.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Man can kill your body but no man, not even Satan can kill your soul. To "destroy" is to cause you "to perish" or "cease to exist". It is only God that can judge your soul to hell fire and that comes after the judgment day. "Mortal" means "liable to die", and whether your soul dies or not is left up to God's judgment.
I Corinthians 15:54 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, "Death is swallowed up in Victory." "

So your soul must put off the physical body, and this soul but be changed from a state of possible destruction by sin, and put on immortality through the shed blood of Christ before this saying can be true. "Death is swallowed up in Victory", when your sins are blotted out and made as they had never been committed. Then we have eternal life in Jesus Christ. There is still death until after the Millennium age.

Only the soul can die after the millennium......

So Stormcrow are you now immortal????

 

[Stormcrow]

So Stormcrow are you now immortal????

and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" John 11:26 (NASB)

but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Timothy 1:10 (NASB)

Yep. Aren't you???

 

[Stormcrow]

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Still I ask,why are we not in a spiritual body??????
Or are you saying we were living without a spirit????

The link explains itself. I sense your questions are not motivated by a desire to learn but to argue. I'm tired of arguing with you. Read the link.

 

[n2thelight]

and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" John 11:26 (NASB)

but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Timothy 1:10 (NASB)

Yep. Aren't you???

Let me rephrase the question,will your flesh die,in other words I can take it that you jump off a 100 story building and still live?

Shoot yourself in the head,and then respond.............

In the meantime,let me show you what the verse means..............

II Timothy 1:10 "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, Who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:"

It is the first advent that is spoken of here, that was made manifest or known by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ came into this world age, born as a tiny baby to his virgin mother Mary. Then when Jesus went to the cross faithfully, His death abolished death. I Corinthians 15:55 "O death, were is thy sting, O grave, where is thy victory?" Christ defeated death who is Satan.

Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He [Jesus Christ] also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death , that is, the devil."

Jesus Christ defeated "death" who is Satan, and brought immortality and life to the lives of our souls through the Gospel. The "Gospel" is the good news of the coming of Jesus Christ, His life, His death and His resurrection from the dead. It is through His resurrection that gives us our power over Satan, and brings us into eternal life.

The flesh is not immortal,only your soul can be..............


Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."

Take it you do know the dust is your flesh...............

Question remains,why are we not changed?Let me answer for ya,because either you have not died yet or the 7th trump has yet to sound...........

 

[n2thelight]

The link explains itself. I sense your questions are not motivated by a desire to learn but to argue. I'm tired of arguing with you. Read the link until you get it. Your "education" is not my responsibility.

This is what the link said

This is because the regeneration of the living would not be complete until each would receive a spiritual body at the return of Christ

I take that to mean people were spiritless.....

 

[reba]

I understand how difficult it can be to have some one disagree with what we have studied, prayed and pondered over. It tends to bring out the personal jabs. Climb above the jabs relate in a non personal way....