This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world...

[JLB]

Peter also wrote this:

The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer. 1 Peter 4:7 (NASB)

The epistle of I Peter was written no later than 68 AD, and was probably written around 64 - 65 AD. The "end of all things" he would have alluded to here is the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple that Christ had told him would happen before his generation had passed away.

Yes, the end of all things critical to Jewish culture, religion, and national identity occurred in 70 AD. Stop reading these passages as though they were meant for you.

The epistle of I Peter was written no later than 68 AD,

You assume this to be true. You seem to think Revelation, 2 Thessalonians and now 1 Peter are all written in 68 AD, What a coincidence. Many would disagree. Your "theories" are based on historical records, rather than scripture interpreting scripture.

Yes, the end of all things critical to Jewish culture, religion, and national identity occurred in 70 AD.

Here's what 1 Peter 4:7 says -

But the end of all things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.

You added critical to Jewish culture, religion, and national identity to the word of God to make it "fit" you "theory".

Why would anyone do that?


Peter's letter 1 Peter 1:1 states -

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

The meaning of the word "Dispersion". The Greek word is diaspora {dee-as-por-ah'}. It is noun form of the verb diaspeiro, which means "to sow, to scatter seed". The term is found in [FONT=&quot]Jn 7:35[/FONT] ([FONT=&quot]“The Jews therefore said among themselves, Whither will this man go that we shall not find him? will he go unto the Dispersion among the Greeks, and teach the Greeks?â€[/FONT]), and there it refers to the Jews who were scattered among the Greeks as a result of the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities.

With the liberty you take with the scriptures I could easily write -

The reason Peter is writing to "the pilgrims of the dispersion" is they were dispersed when the Romans destroyed the city and sanctuary in Jerusalem in 70 AD.This dispersion is found in scripture and therefore overrides "historical record".

JLB

 

[Lloyd]

Peter also wrote this:

The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer. 1 Peter 4:7 (NASB)

The epistle of I Peter was written no later than 68 AD, and was probably written around 64 - 65 AD. The "end of all things" he would have alluded to here is the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple that Christ had told him would happen before his generation had passed away.

Yes, the end of all things critical to Jewish culture, religion, and national identity occurred in 70 AD. Stop reading these passages as though they were meant for you.

Hi Storm,

Peter is making a comparison between the flood and the end of the present age. The flood was the end of the earth of that time, in the same regard that the 'earth reserved for fire' will be the end of the earth this time.

6 By these waters - (literal) also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire (literal), being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

The flood came, and only Noah and his family survived. Are you saying that the temple was destroyed, but x amount of people all over the earth survived? If you believe this to be true, there is no need for Peter to make the comparison with the flood. He is making the comparison as a clear reference to indicate what will happen to this earth again.

The temple being destroyed in 70AD was NOT the day of judgement or the destruction of the ungodly.

In reference to your "End of all things is near"

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

If Peters writing is between 64-65AD, then he was pretty close if everything happend in 70AD, thus making his above statement null and void. He was clearly indicating a future event, far further than a 5 year time span.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.[a]

Didn't happen in 70AD however you spin it. Once again, this ties in with his initial reference to the flood.

Flood = earth destroyed = literal event
Fire = earth destroyed = literal event

 

[reba]

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

 

[Lloyd]

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Hey Reba,

How are you? Is this for me?

 

[JLB]

70 AD is for a very specific reason:

(Luke 19:43-44) "For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation."

Prophecy of 70 AD.

(Mic 3:12) Therefore because of you Zion shall be plowed [like] a field, Jerusalem shall become heaps of ruins, And the mountain of the temple Like the bare hills of the forest.

(Jer 26:18) "Micah of Moresheth prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah, and spoke to all the people of Judah, saying, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts: "Zion shall be plowed [like] a field, Jerusalem shall become heaps of ruins, And the mountain of the temple Like the bare hills of the forest." '

No way these prophecies are related to end times.

Great post!

It is clear from Daniel that the city and sanctuary are to be destroyed.

26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...

Yet, clearly after the event of the city and sanctuary being destroyed we see the language of sacrifice and offering in the next verse.

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate...

which the Holy Spirit is indicating yet another temple.


Jesus makes this distinction as well, as Luke records -

"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.

Yet Matthew records Jesus using the language of Daniel, in that the temple activities are resumed when the "prince of the people who is to come" "puts and end to sacrifice and offering and sets up the abomination of desolation.

"Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

The Lord's instructions in Matthew are to flee when the see the abomination of desolation, which speaks of a defiling action of the temple.


The Lord's instructions in Luke are clearly different!

"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.

Luke records Jesus as saying, when you see the armies surround Jerusalem, flee, which is quite different than when you see the activity "in the temple" flee.

Two different actions, two different sets of instructions. Two different events.

Physical destruction on the one hand, Spiritual defilement on the other.


JLB

 

[Eventide]

The shall the DELIVERER come and tun ungodliness from JACOB...

IMO much of this debate is the simple result of many people ignoring the mystery pertaining to Israel and how that they are blinded in part until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in..

The end times are about the salvation of the nation of Israel, not its destruction.

Such a simple lesson which so many simply ignore..

 

[Sinthesis]

Re: The shall the DELIVERER come and tun ungodliness from JACOB...

IMO much of this debate is the simple result of many people ignoring the mystery pertaining to Israel and how that they are blinded in part until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in..

The end times are about the salvation of the nation of Israel, not its destruction.

Such a simple lesson which so many simply ignore..

Exactly; and this lesson emerges when one begins to see how 'end times' are not just about us, but are demonstrated for us on other cultures throughout the Bible, of which the most prominent biblical example, and the one most concerning the apostles, is that of first century apostate Judaism.

 

[reba]

Hey Reba,

How are you? Is this for me?

Why Lloyd the Scriptures are for us all....;)

Doing fine Lloyd, thanks not for any ONE just posting

 

[Codger]

And then the end will come.

"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14 (NASB)

Some say the "end" hasn't come because this gospel hasn't been preached in the whole world. Paul writes otherwise:

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world. Romans 1:8 (NASB)

but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith; Romans 16:26 (NASB)

the gospel which has come to you, just as in all the world Colossians 1:5-6 (NASB)

the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven Colossians 1:23 (NASB)

I wonder how Paul, called by Christ Himself, could've been so wrong.

The end was to be immediately after the tribulation of those days meaning the judgment on Israel. In 70AD the whole world of that day was evangelized.

 

[JLB]

The end was to be immediately after the tribulation of those days meaning the judgment on Israel. In 70AD the whole world of that day was evangelized.

Could you please use scripture to validate your post.

Thanks, JLB

 

[reba]

JLB can you prove to me with Scripture that the Temple is still on temple mount.

 

[JLB]

JLB can you prove to me with Scripture that the Temple is still on temple mount.

There is no temple is on the temple mount!

 

[reba]

I know its not there you know its not there.....But....Could you please use scripture to validate your post.

 

[JLB]

JLB can you prove to me with Scripture that the Temple is still on temple mount.

I can not prove with scripture that the temple is still on the mount because it is not on the mount, so therefore there would not be any scripture to validate something that is not true.

JLB

 

[reba]

I hate when i mess up like that.....

Originally Posted by reba
JLB can you prove to me with Scripture that the Temple is still on temple mount.

JLB can you prove to me with Scripture that the Temple is NOT on temple mount.
Tryint to make the point that stuff can/has happened that is not recorded in Scripture but you knew that ....

 

[JLB]

I hate when i mess up like that.....
JLB can you prove to me with Scripture that the Temple is NOT on temple mount.
Tryint to make the point that stuff can/has happened that is not recorded in Scripture but you knew that ....

I know the point you are trying to make.

I just like talking to you.


JLB


And now for my proof! -


AT THIS SITE, you may view photographs of the actual sacred Temple vessels that have been produced by the Temple Institute. Each vessel has been created by accomplished craftsmen. These vessels and priestly garments are being fashioned today according to the exact Biblical requirements, specifically for use in the future Holy Temple. They await the day when they will be called into the Divine service of the Holy Temple.


http://www.templeinstitute.org


The proof that the Temple is not on the temple mount is:

The people who are going to build the temple are awaiting the day when they have permission to do so.

Therefore the temple is not there, yet!

 

[reba]

How can a slap in the face of the sacrificed Son of God be Divine? Divine service you are not kidding are you? You really believe the blood of bulls and rams will be divine?


Priestly garments we are clothed in His righteousness what does linen have to do with garments washed in the Blood of The Lamb?

Holy Temple Know ye not ye are the temple of the LORD....


Sure you like to talk to me.. you have any idea of what you do to my blood pressure

Can you explane to me how this man made stuff is holy in your eyes. God destroyed that temple for a reason...

 

[reba]

Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

 

[JLB]

How can a slap in the face of the sacrificed Son of God be Divine? Divine service you are not kidding are you? You really believe the blood of bulls and rams will be divine?


Priestly garments we are clothed in His righteousness what does linen have to do with garments washed in the Blood of The Lamb?

Holy Temple Know ye not ye are the temple of the LORD....


Sure you like to talk to me.. you have any idea of what you do to my blood pressure

Can you explane to me how this man made stuff is holy in your eyes. God destroyed that temple for a reason...

I am offering you proof to your question.

Why in the world would you think that I would consider this holy.

I gave some info off their website.

This temple is the one the Man of sin, the lawless one will go to in order to proclaim himself God.

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

These are current events of Bible prophecy coming to pass.

The Jews rejected Jesus Christ as The Messiah.

They want The Messiah to come through the eastern gate of the temple.

So, they will get just that.

And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

JLB

 

[reba]

OK blood pressure is normal...

The reason is the words you used....

They await the day when they will be called into the Divine service of the Holy Temple.

all bright red like it is importiant...

THE proof is that we are the temple He is the chief corner stone we building blooks being fittly joined together...

Good nite one of these days you'll get it right....