This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world...

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  1. JLB

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    Do you deny the first coming of The Lord to be literal?

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  2. Hammer

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    Oh, Futurists can separate literal from symbolic. "This generation" is symbolic of "that generation" (or "this race"). "Soon" is symbolic for a "long while." "At hand" means "not now". The churches in Asia minor of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamon, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea are symbolic of church ages. Etc.
     
  3. Stormcrow

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    Of course He came literally!

    But that isn't what you wrote and that isn't the issue Hitch asked you to address.

    How do claim "The scriptures concerning His first coming were fulfilled, LITERALLY" (emphasis yours) when at least one of them wasn't given your view of "literal fulfillment?"

    I don't have a problem answering the question. It appears you do.
     
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  5. Hammer

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    Jesus came as a king, but not as the king of King Jews expected. So, they rejected him. His kingdom isn't of this world. His revealed plans don't include setting up a political global kingdom. He's not coming back a second time to do what Jews expected him to do the first time.

    One remarkable thing about the New Testament is that it really doesn't add much to the old Testament. Jesus's prediction of the destruction of the Temple (and the timing of that destruction), given in the Olivet Discourse, was already given by Daniel (and Jesus gave credit to Daniel). Jesus just added a few details.

    There's no kingdom spoken of in the New Testament that wasn't revealed in the Old Testament. There's essentially nothing for Jesus to do in a "second coming" that wasn't foretold as part of the first coming. The New Testament mostly details the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, rather than giving new prophecy.
     
  6. jasoncran

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    well, what do you expect, that title of immanuel means alot,hmm nah god with us. well isnt that what jesus did? he is with us everywhere we go. futurists like to see literal parts when they want to. they dont take the bible literally all the time. cant have jesus in that temple without that law per the prophets. woops they ignore that part. or some do and thats well interested to debate.
     
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    I'll just add that the division of the Bible into New and Old Testaments between Malachi and Matthew - based on the "400 silent years" - creates a lot of interpretive problems for people: they don't see the New as an extension of the Old.

    Jesus was born a Jew under the Law. All of the apostles (save Luke) were Jews. Even Paul - the apostle to the uncircumcised - took care to return to Jerusalem yearly for the temple feasts. That's where he was finally arrested on the false charge of bringing Gentiles into the Temple.

    The "New Testament", therefore, is an overwhelmingly Jewish collection of works, by predominantly Jewish authors, all writing between the time Grace came upon mankind through the life, death, and resurrection of Christ and the time of which the Law came to an end in 70 AD. There is literally not another time in human history like it, nor will there ever be again.

    All that is simply to say that while the New Testament (Covenant) begins with the death of Jesus on the cross, the Old Testament (Covenant) ends with the events prophesied in Revelation, not Malachi.
     
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    Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    Do you believe this prophecy of the virgin and her Son came to pas literally?

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  10. n2thelight

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    When did God destroy the armies that came against Jerusalem,per the below verse????????

    Revelation 20:9 "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."
     
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    What makes you think the city figuratively called Sodom and Egypt is the "believed city" mentioned in Rev 20:9? Your assertion makes no sense.
     
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    [​IMG] Originally Posted by n2thelight [​IMG]
    When did God destroy the armies that came against Jerusalem,per the below verse????????

    Revelation 20:9 "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."




    If you don't know that the beloved city is Jerusalem,welllll,nothing else I can say to you....

    Can someone else answer the question?????
     
  13. JLB

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    Where also our Lord was crucified refers to Jerusalem
     
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    This particular campaign has been going on for centuries, and it's not over yet.
     
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    Why don't you educate n2thelight as to what you're referring to, the passage that implies God hates Jerusalem. And so it wouldn't be the "beloved city" that God defends.
     
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    God married Jerusalem!!!!!! And as I said,if you don't know that the beloved city is Jerusalem,I can't talk to you,so again,when did this event happen????Let me help you out ,it hasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    god married a city? really? sheesh its called anthromorphism and show me where he said to the city. he said he was married to backsliding peoples.
     
  18. n2thelight

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    No it hasn't....This event has yet to happen,it won't until the end of the millenium.........................
     
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    Call it what you want,but the fact remains,this has yet to take place....................
     
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    um post that verse. show me where it says that when jerusalem is saved from her enemies? its not even in the nt and the tanach mentions it but its vague. it can be as i believe after the so called 1000 years. that means it would be only jews there.
     

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