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um post that verse. show me where it says that when jerusalem is saved from her enemies? its not even in the nt and the tanach mentions it but its vague. it can be as i believe after the so called 1000 years. that means it would be only jews there.
Revelation 20:9"And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

Why would there be only Jews?At this point the two houses would have been joined back together,and just so you know....All Jew's are Israel but not all Israel are Jew's,now can you answer the question????????????
 
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that has nothing to do with what you have pushing. you have said and have shifted what is the function of isreal.if jesus is on the earth in human form fully again, he cant be able to hear me in florida. jesus wasnt able to know what others did, he didnt use his godly side, in fact he had to pray. he lowered himself that isnt the case and cant be.

jerusalem means alot. but it can be in heaven as paul says. you have claimed that he married that land. ever wonder why he choose jerusalem?its in genesis. abe sacrificed isaac there. if satan wants to attack the lord why would he limit himself to the city of jerusalem. what makes land important? its the people in it not the land.sorry that is what that means christians have no connection to jersulem outside of what did happen there in the past, our city is in heaven.

i can see that clearly now. while it can be that way but the saints all of them literally fitting in one city that isnt that big so that satan can hit us? 9 billion men alive today. kinda hard to fit them there and i bet jesus has that many souls won already.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them
think about it. saints all of them in one place. i dont see it that way. either they would run to hide or that this is a figurative concept. im unsure now of it being literal.
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But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
 
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that has nothing to do with what you have pushing. you have said and have shifted what is the function of isreal.if jesus is on the earth in human form fully again, he cant be able to hear me in florida. jesus wasnt able to know what others did, he didnt use his godly side, in fact he had to pray. he lowered himself that isnt the case and cant be.

jerusalem means alot. but it can be in heaven as paul says. you have claimed that he married that land. ever wonder why he choose jerusalem?its in genesis. abe sacrificed isaac there. if satan wants to attack the lord why would he limit himself to the city of jerusalem. what makes land important? its the people in it not the land.sorry that is what that means christians have no connection to jersulem outside of what did happen there in the past, our city is in heaven.

i can see that clearly now. while it can be that way but the saints all of them literally fitting in one city that isnt that big so that satan can hit us? 9 billion men alive today. kinda hard to fit them there and i bet jesus has that many souls won already.



think about it. saints all of them in one place. i dont see it that way. either they would run to hide or that this is a figurative concept. im unsure now of it being literal.
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Entering the 7000th year would be the 7th prophetic day. According to what Peter teaches. A day to the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day.

Thats how soon to Him can be 2000 years!

1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works"; 5 and again in this place: "They shall not enter My rest." 6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "Today," after such a long time, as it has been said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts." 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
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that has nothing to do with what you have pushing. you have said and have shifted what is the function of isreal.if jesus is on the earth in human form fully again, he cant be able to hear me in florida. jesus wasnt able to know what others did, he didnt use his godly side, in fact he had to pray. he lowered himself that isnt the case and cant be.
Christ did know what people were thinking

Matthew 9:4 "And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, "Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?"

jerusalem means alot. but it can be in heaven as paul says. you have claimed that he married that land. ever wonder why he choose jerusalem?its in genesis. abe sacrificed isaac there. if satan wants to attack the lord why would he limit himself to the city of jerusalem. what makes land important? its the people in it not the land.sorry that is what that means christians have no connection to jersulem outside of what did happen there in the past, our city is in heaven.
You would have to ask Him that....Fact remains Christ shall rule from Jerusalem,not heaven........

i can see that clearly now. while it can be that way but the saints all of them literally fitting in one city that isnt that big so that satan can hit us? 9 billion men alive today. kinda hard to fit them there and i bet jesus has that many souls won already.
The verse I quoted,that you have yet too answer,takes place after the millennium......Not all will be there,some will be outside of the city
 
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Entering the 7000th year would be the 7th prophetic day. According to what Peter teaches. A day to the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day.

Thats how soon to Him can be 2000 years!
Most people don't understand this fact,JB...................From the time of Adam till now,has only been 6 days,Christ shall return on the 7th day,period...........
 
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Next question for you past people,why have you all not been changed.........

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

Paul wrote to the Corinth's after Christ was crucified.......Now what did he tell them,did he say the change took place at the crucifiction,no he didn't, he said it happens at death or the last trump........At who's death,your's not Christ.......


So why did Paul say a future event would make this change happen,if he meant it happened at the death of Christ,makes no sense!!!!!!!!!!
 
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If you can't answer post 648,let's try this one...............

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come ,except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

What day shall not come?Our gathering back too Christ....

So my question is this,if they gathered back to Christ in 70ad,why is Paul talking about a future event??????????
 
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sheesh, lets use babylonian epochs to get the idea of futurism,but that isnt what the jews would have done.
 
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If you can't answer post 648,let's try this one...............

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come ,except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

What day shall not come?Our gathering back too Christ....

So my question is this,if they gathered back to Christ in 70ad,why is Paul talking about a future event??????????
Because 70AD was still future to Paul.
 
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So why are you not changed????
Everyone who believes is: raised with Jesus and seated with Him in the "heavenlies" the very moment we believe! You may not accept that, but that's the way it is.
 

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Everyone who believes is: raised with Jesus and seated with Him in the "heavenlies" the very moment we believe! You may not accept that, but that's the way it is.

... flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; -

Your corruptible body must be clothed with the same glorified body as Jesus received when He was raised from the dead.


For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Furthermore, by saying we shall also bear the image of the Heavenly Man, Paul is indicating that he had not yet obtained this putting on of immortality which is to occur in all of us simultaneously at the last trump which signals the resurrection of the dead.

...we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.


46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Positionally we are in Christ and therefore "raised together with Him" in heavenly places. However John gives us clarity -

Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 1 John 3:2

Again, John uses language of a future event and includes us all by saying we shall be. We shall be like Him when we see Him!

If you believe this language of we shall see Him to be "Symbolic" imagery, then please explain to us what it "symbolizes" in the context it was given.


1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.


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Everyone who believes is: raised with Jesus and seated with Him in the "heavenlies" the very moment we believe! You may not accept that, but that's the way it is.
You can't be in two places at one time,in other words,the spirit is not released until the flesh die's.............Or at the 7th trump!!!!!!!!


Ecclesiastes 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."

The "cistern" is the clay flesh body that our soul lives in. The cistern is built to hold the water or life that is within the flesh body, but once that bowl is broken the water or life leaks out of it, just as water leaks out of this flesh body. The "silver cord" is what holds your soul and the spirit together with the flesh body. We can call it the process of thought, which is the intellect of the mind, or soul. When one is brain dead, there is no electrical impulse within the brain, and mankind is considered dead, even though the physical body may still be pumping blood. Life support systems are generally discontinued in most cases.

When that silver cord parts, and the heavenly Father allows it to happen, and this flesh body becomes biologically dead, the very inner man departs from this physical body, and returns to the Father. This decaying body will never be used again, ever. For the soul has entered into its new incorruptible body.


Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."

Then when? After the silver cord breaks, the mind is brain dead, and the body loses its life. Then shall the body "dust" return to the earth as it was, before it was formed into food, and entered your mouth as food to make your flesh body healthy.

The spirit is the intellect of the soul, that gives the soul its identity. This is not complicated. When the body dies, and goes to the grave, the physical body will never have a use again, for the soul has returned to the Father, to God who created it in the first place. Because this is a promise of God, it should be what all Christians look forward to all the days of their lives. That is the day that we will be with the Father and Jesus Christ is heaven, not at some distant time in the future.

When man gets to the point of not being able to understand this promise that at death the soul goes immediately to be with the Father, then he form his religious man made ideas, and sidesteps what God's Word teaches. Friend, it takes only a short time for the body to decay, and there is no body there to resurrect. The body returns to the dirt that it is made of, and the soul departs from that body never to return to it.

God creates the flesh body for your soul to occupy, and He places your spirit within your soul. That is what gives your soul its identity. Then just as God gave it for a brief time, He will take your soul back to Himself, when the flesh body stops having life.
 
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And then the end will come.

"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14 (NASB)

Some say the "end" hasn't come because this gospel hasn't been preached in the whole world. Paul writes otherwise:

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world. Romans 1:8 (NASB)

but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith; Romans 16:26 (NASB)

the gospel which has come to you, just as in all the world Colossians 1:5-6 (NASB)

the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven Colossians 1:23 (NASB)


I wonder how Paul, called by Christ Himself, could've been so wrong. :chin
Paul was definitely right. :)
 

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Paul was definitely right. :)
Yes he was!


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."


I agree with Paul because -

If you still have flesh on and are not wearing your incorruptible, immortal body like Jesus has, the Jesus Christ has not returned!

Cuts out all the twisted word meanings and misunderstood scriptures and get right to it!


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If you still have flesh on and are not wearing your incorruptible, immortal body like Jesus has, the Jesus Christ has not returned!
Paul wrote that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. Yet he also wrote that those who believe have already been transferred into it. How do you reconcile these two facts?

Unless and until you can, you will never understand what he wrote.
 
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If I have your point backward, then I do apologize. I read your post as trying to support the Futurist view of us rising as physical, human beings. If I read your post correctly, then the following applies and please understand that the asterisks, caps and exclamation marks are, as I normally do, used for emphasis and not shouting.


Yes he was!

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God..." - 1Cor15:50

I agree with Paul because;

If you still have flesh on and are not wearing your incorruptible, immortal body like Jesus has, the Jesus Christ has not returned!
Like Jesus *HAS*? Really, you do not know the body that He *HAS*. You know the body that He *HAD* before He ascended, which may not be identical. Remember, the Scripture says, "for then we shall see Him as He *is*".

Now why would the writer say that, if they already knew how He would appear, having seen Him before His ascension, if He were the same? It wouldn't have been a mystery. And Paul also wrote, "I tell you a mystery...". So apparently, things would be *different*, not the same as what they had already seen, since these things were still "a mystery" to the church in general. Paul obviously knew what would happen and so, was telling them. But exactly how Jesus would "appear" was as of yet unknown at that time. And if what they already saw of Him was what He would be when He "appeared", then it would not be an unknown, as it was clearly stated to be. It says, "we SHALL see Him as He is", not "we DID see Him as He is". :)

Also, Futurism says that He's still flesh and blood (even though Jesus Himself left out the word "blood" and specifically said "flesh and bone"), but the truth is, that we simply don't know how much transformation His body had taken yet, nor how much it had taken once He was ascending. Remember, He "disappeared from their sight".

What we do know, is that Jesus seemed to appear and disappear at will and that physical human beings don't do that, even though Criss Angel would like you to believe that they do. :) But spiritual beings did do that throughout the Old Testament, only *appearing* human for the sake of the viewer. That does not make them flesh and blood human beings. And angels, for example, never were, yet appeared that way to humans, when they wanted to and the Scriptures are clear that Jesus is in Heaven, which is a spiritual place and therefore, He is a spiritual being.

What they saw of Jesus, they saw before His ascension and also, we should not compare ourselves to Jesus. His body had to rise physically, as a sign and His body was the only one that did not see corruption. Our bodies will corrupt away. And even Jesus said about His own resurrection, that it was "A SIGN" and the sign is never the event itself. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called a sign. It would be called the event. :)

I would also point out that while you said that your quote "ends all the word twisting", if indeed you are attempting to support the idea of our physical bodies resurrecting and us being flesh and blood humans again, then I would point you to the very same verse you started off with, which I quoted from your post and which clearly and without doubt say that; "flesh and blood canNOT inherit the Kingdom of God". It canNOT be done! So how can any doctrine that says it will be done, be correct? Now you can add whatever words to it you want, but that's all that would be. You adding words (if indeed that is your doctrine). The Scripture *itself* does not say that. It says that flesh and blood can NOT inherit the Kingdom of God.

I would also suggest taking a look at that same chapter, a few verses previous and you will read where Paul makes a difference between a physical body and a spiritual body, when he clearly says; "there is a natural body and there is a spiritual body". And regarding the resurrection, says; "it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body".

What is buried is the human flesh and blood, which does decay away. And what is raised is a spiritual body, which will not.

Paul used the example of farming, which most would certainly be familiar with, needing food and not having a "Super Food Mart" down the road. :) And so he used the example of planting a seed. An a seed drops off its shell and it is what is inside that sprouts up out of the ground. And it is our souls; our spiritual selves that sheds our physical bodies, just as Peter said he would "put off this tent" speaking of his own death and it is our spiritual being that goes to Heaven now.

And what else did Paul say in that analogy? Very simple! That "what is sown is not that which shall be raised". What is buried is simply not what is going to rise!

I think we ought to read the Scriptures without seeing our doctrine in them and just let them speak for themselves. And when we have to add words and say things like, "what that really means is...", then we're already on the wrong track! And even just comparing Scripture to Scripture, the examples we see of "spiritual bodies" shows us that they appear to be humans for our benefit, not because they actually are physical human beings.

Anyway, hope this helped and edified those who were interested in this subject and as I said, if I got your point backwards, then please forgive me, I apologize.
 

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Paul wrote that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. Yet he also wrote that those who believe have already been transferred into it. How do you reconcile these two facts?

Unless and until you can, you will never understand what he wrote.

As I have said before.

We have been translated into the kingdom of God, spiritually.

The kingdom of God is within us, that is within our spirit.

Our flesh will return to the dust ...

Daniel said it this way -

2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2

You have a spirit, soul and a body. 1 Thessalonians 5:23

Your body will die, your spirit man is eternal.

The same Apostle Paul that wrote:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son... Colossians 1:13

Also wrote, even of himself -

we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

Paul was was in the kingdom of God when he wrote this said, we shall [future tense] bear the image of the heavenly man.

Your body will be changed and bear the image bear the image of Jesus.

47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.


Again Paul writes -

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

We [all of us simultaneously] shall bear the image of the heavenly Man.

We [all of us simultaneously] we shall all be changed...

Here is a sneak preview of what we will look like -

He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. Matthew 17:2John said it this way -
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 1 John 3:2



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