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  1. StoveBolts

    StoveBolts Staff Member Tech Support

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    Good stuff, thanks for sharing.
    I was looking up some of my old notes, and unfortunately I don't have all of them because I loaned my Ramban commentary out to another friend and haven't gotten it back. So, from notes in my bible, let me see if I can put this together and then we can ask questions and maybe fill in any blanks because I want it to be more of an outline for review.
    1. In Genesis, we see that Eden is on a mountain because it separated into four headwaters Genesis 2:10. Eden is where God dwells, and walks with humanity.
    2. After the fall, Adam and Eve were exiled from the garden. We first see the idea of Exile here. Furthermore, a Cherubim was assigned to the east entrance of the garden. Note East and Cherubim.
    3. Oral Tradition states Adam was formed on Mt. Moriah
    4. Abraham offered Isaac on Mt. Moriah
    5. Abraham meets King of Salem, modern day Jerusalem.
    6. Solomon built Temple on Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem.
    7. Exodus 25:20 God tells Moses to build an Ark, with two Cherubim.
    8 The Ark , mercy seat, cherubim represents God at Mt. Sinai with references back to Eden through the Tabernacle / Temple.
    9. God dwells above the Cherubim in the Temple
    10. 1 Chronicles 28:18 , Cherubim on Ark is also described as a chariot.
    11. Psalms 18:10 , From the temple (God's dwelling place), God mounts the cherubim and flies on the wings of the wind. Again, we see Mt. Sinai represented with smoke, fire and lightning etc.
    12. Ezekiel 1, Wheels, creatures, eyes. This was in my Ramban commentary that I do not have :-( ,but it tied back to Psalms 18:10. I believe it also ties back to 1 Kings 7.
    13. Ezekiel 10, God's glory departs from the Temple. This goes back to Exodus when Moses it told how to make the Ark etc. Keep in mind that the Cherubim were above the mercy seat, and God above that. Note Ezekiel 10:15 - 22 Also note, just like the Cherubim in Eden were on the East Entrance, we see again in verse 19 the East entrance.
    14. Ezekiel 14 deals with Exile. In Exile theology, this is a retelling of Genesis 3, only the details have changed.
    15. Ezekiel 26 deals with the fall of Tyre. This ties into Ezekiel 28.
    16. Ezekiel 27 tells of the glory of Tyre.
    17. 1 Kings 5 shows the involvement the King of Tyre has in building Solomon's Temple.
    18. 1 Kings 7:13 shows the detail within the Temple that King of Tyre was involved in. The decor of the Temple reflected Eden.

    If the Temple represents the Garden of Eden, then we see that the King of Tyre was very much involved in the construction of the Holy Temple. Present in Eden

    19. Ezekiel 28:13 refers to 1 Kings 7:13 - 51 and 1 Kings 9:1.
    20. Ezekiel 16 shows the birth of Israel and uses the same symbolic type of language as chapter 28.
     
  2. for_his_glory

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    The Tabernacle was built around the Ark as this also represents Christ being the center of our life. The Mercy Seat is like the blood of Christ that covers us. The two Cherubims guarded the the way to the Tree of Life in Eden as it was judgement. The two Cherubims on the Ark are facing the Mercy Seat as this is in association to the blood of Christ as God shows mercy on us.
    http://www.thebiblestudypage.com/taber_ark_mercy.shtml

    Hiram, being the king of Tyre, did help supply the materials for the Temple as he was a friend of Solomon, but not a Godly man as he gained in trade with Solomon for that of what he supplied thus the prophecy of Ezekiel 28.
    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7720-hiram-huram

    The location where the garden of Eden was is described in Genesis 2:10-14. Eden is located somewhere between Turkey, Iraq and Syria where the four heads of the rivers come from. Eastern gate of the Garden of Eden that the two Cherubim guard faces what would have been where the tower of Babel was built and Babylonian Empire becoming the Roman Empire that has always opposed Gods people.

    The four rivers of Genesis 2:10-14
    Pison in the land of Havilah
    Gihon in the land of Ethiopia
    Hiddekel east of Assyria
    Euphrates in Turkey through Irag (Iraq used to the Babylonian Empire)
     
  3. StoveBolts

    StoveBolts Staff Member Tech Support

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    I understand what you are saying, and how you are saying it We are looking at this from two different points of view.
    The Tabernacle and all of it's furnishings are copies of heavenly things, and we know that in Revelation, we again see the tree of life etc in the heavenly realm.
    Revelation is not specific to John. Much, not all, but much of what John writes can be found in Jewish Midrash.

    While I know you will not agree, and that's ok. Many Jews believe that the Temple represented Eden / Heaven. I believe Eziekeil, as a Priest who ministered in the temple before it's destruction was one of them, and wrote with that theology in mind.

    Anyway, Take care.
     
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    I totally agree that the Tabernacle and it's furnishings are copies of the Heavenly Tabernacle of God and yes we read that the Tree of Life is in the New Jerusalem. I do not know if revelation is specific to John as I know nothing of the Jewish Midrash. I also believe the Temple is a representation of Eden for there was God in the midst of it in all His glory. Ezekiel was a Priest who ministered in the Temple and also was given the prophecy about Hiram the king of Tyre. I also believe it was Satan in the garden who appeared as a serpent that deceived Eve just as Satan was the evil part of the king of Tyre.

    This has been a good conversation and I thank you for it and you take care also. :)
     
  5. StoveBolts

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    I have appreciated your thoughts and kindness. It has been nice.
    Btw, the person I loaned my commentary up and moved to Texas ..... I really gotta keep better track of the people I loan my prized books to...
     
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    I'm Having a lot of trouble reconciling that statement in it's entirety because in the Beginning God gave Adam dominion over the Earth and lost it to Satan when he caused Eve to tempt Adam with the one fruit the were never consume. One Command and Man, Adam, could not keep it bit threw his commission over to the Devil.

    Can you reckon this with your statement for my benefit?
     
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    I'll answer this with a question and then if need be we can continue. Who was the serpent that caused the temptation and caused Adam to transgress? Hint: the same one who tempted Jesus in Matthew chapter 4.
     
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    Alright, I'll play. He is satan, formerly known as Lucifer, Arch-Angel.
     
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    Correct, as Satan was placed over the garden of Eden as an anointed cherub before Adam was created, but iniquity was soon found in him and it was was Satan in the form of a serpent who caused Adam and Eve to transgress against God.
     

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