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Actually, the angel in Rev 14:6, 7 is preaching the gospel during God's great wrath, not before. New tribes are continually being found and preached to even as I type this and many that are preaching to them first have to build up a confidence with them so they will welcome the preachers into their villages. Although traveling to these villages is usually by foot going through jungles as you can not drive there many do die a martyr's death within the jungles before they even reach the villages as they are heavily protected from outsiders.
I understand it to be a last call before God pours out his wrath/Judgement. Because it does say

Revelation 14:6-12

6Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.”

8A second angel followed and said, “ ‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,’a which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.”

9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

It’s very obvious that God has not poured out his wrath yet. The angel is calling out for LAST CALL to repent, worship God and be saved. I do not believe the GT is God’s wrath. These are all PREwarnings, not to worship the AC or take the mark of the beast in the following verses which I have also bolded. It even mentions in verse 9 that God has not in FACT poured out his wrath yet for it says in the following verse

Revelation 14:9-11 NIV

9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

I bolded the letter wrath, so you can see that God’s judgement/wrath is not the same as the GT. The Angel gives everyone a fair warning before God pours out his wrath. It’s right there, black and white. That is how I understand it.
 
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I think that those who are not brought up with only asking God to teach you his word thru the Holy spirit before opening your bible instead of being indoctrinated with a pastors own personal stance. So then the congregation is easily swayed to the pastor’s position.
the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
May I ask what the Holy Spirit taught you that was not scripture before Jesus died? Would you possibly make exception for Jesus' revealed word (Gal 1:12); that very word that became the fulfilled word of God? Col 1:25. Do you realize that none before Paul was ever made aware of the things God had planned for us?
 
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May I ask what the Holy Spirit taught you that was not scripture before Jesus died? Would you possibly make exception for Jesus' revealed word (Gal 1:12); that very word that became the fulfilled word of God? Col 1:25. Do you realize that none before Paul was ever made aware of the things God had planned for us?
The Holy Spirit taught me while reading God’s word. It was like sitting down in class and asking the teacher questions when you didn’t understand something. The Holy Spirit does not teach outside of God’s word, so I’m not sure what it is you are asking?

You are referring to (I’ve bolded it)

1 Corinthians 2:6-16 NIV

6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”b —
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.


The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.c 14The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16for,

“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”d
But we have the mind of Christ.

John 1 NIV

1Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it.

6There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15(John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”) 16Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God andb is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

1 John 2:22-23 NIV

22Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.


1 John 4:2-5 NIV

2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirita of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Ephesians 1:4-14 NIV

4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5heb predestined us for adoption to sonshipc through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9hed made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

11In him we were also chosen,e having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory


I hope that answers your questions sufficiently enough.
 
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May I ask what the Holy Spirit taught you that was not scripture before Jesus died? Would you possibly make exception for Jesus' revealed word (Gal 1:12); that very word that became the fulfilled word of God? Col 1:25. Do you realize that none before Paul was ever made aware of the things God had planned for us?
The Holy Spirit does not teach outside of God’s word, so I’m not sure what it is you are asking?
Hi Sister Tatilina, I must have misunderstood earlier statements in thinking you were referring to the audible voice of the Holy Spirit, and Him speaking only of the red lettered words quoting Jesus in scripture. Many try not to put the importance to the Apostle Paul's epistles, and they are the very words Jesus revealed to him.
 
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Hi Sister Tatilina, I must have misunderstood earlier statements in thinking you were referring to the audible voice of the Holy Spirit, and Him speaking only of the red lettered words quoting Jesus in scripture. Many try not to put the importance to the Apostle Paul's epistles, and they are the very words Jesus revealed to him.
Oh dear no lol. I have never heard the Holy Spirit audibly before. Have you ever had brain fog? It’s a really complicated obstacle for people like me who have ADHD. Back then they had no way of treating it, but now I am on some good meds to help slow down my racing mind so that I could properly absorb what I was reading, memory (poor memory) and doing Math. My mom taught me that before you read the bible, you should always pray first and ask the Lord to be with me during bible studies and to help me understand the harder parts of the bible which she said were meaty lol. When you have brain fog, you can tell when it goes away. I was dedicated to christ not long after I was born. My mom said she stopped going to church because she said people treated her differently and she didn’t like it. She said they were racist, my mom is part native. Paul is my favourite Apostle and I’m 100% againt the Anti-Paul camp. I’m a proud Pauline lol :hysterical I’ve dealt with them many times. They are either Muslim, or HRM, or HBI. I just came from a forum infested with Paul haters.
Oh, and I can’t forget the sacred name camp of endless ways of spellling Yeshua and Yaweh. I can’t even be bothered talking any sense to them, I got better things to do like discuss ALL of the bible and not cherry picking what I like and discarding the rest, like the NT. I’ve been witnessing the great falling away for quite some time now in my opinion. It’s okay, the internet is the perfect place for misunderstandings, I need to practice my English anyways.

Psh don’t worry, the book of Romans is my favourite book because I can relate to Paul so easily and know exactly where he is coming from 2 Peter 3:15-16 NIV

16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

I didn’t find them hard to understand at all, at least not to me.
 
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This is when the end will come when the gospel is preached to everyone.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Rom_1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
 

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My thought differs on this in the location and time. Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet. Although Jesus has been given all power and authority in heaven and earth we read of in Mt 28:18, Jesus has yet to take that power until His Day when He takes His own throne in Rev 4:2, and that will be the beginning of His Day, the Day of the Lord, or the Lord’s Day.
Heb 2:8 Thou (Our Father) hast put all things in subjection under His (Jesus’) feet. For in that He put all in subjection under Him, he left nothing that is not put under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him.
You then use Jn 3:13 as the basis for none being caught up to heaven, and at that present time that was correct, but we are talking future. When Jesus died, he first went into the lower parts of the earth and delivered all paradise into heaven with Him. That was where the thief went with Jesus from the cross according to Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Where is paradise today?
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
2Co 12:4 How that he was caught UP into paradise . . .

Psa 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens . . .

Then we come right back to the point I tried to tie into all the purpose of the three questions once before that will clear up a great deal of misunderstanding of things to come.
WHO IS JESUS’ ANGEL I never received an answer to. :)
Sorry this is long, but so much to cover.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

The Lord's day being the day of the Lord just means the day at hand meaning in Gods timing in Rev 1:10. The phrase the day of the Lord” is used nineteen times in the Old Testament (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and five times in the New Testament (Acts 2:20; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev 1:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

When Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in paradise that day He was not speaking about that same day, but when Christ returns then He will call all from their graves and then the thief will be with Him on that day, John 5:28, 29. Jesus laid in the tomb for three days before God raised Him from the dead. It would be at a certain time later that Jesus would ascend up to heaven for after He was raised from the tomb He told Mary Magdalene not to touch Him as He had not ascended up to the Father yet, John 20:17 He was seen of over 500 people before His ascending, 1 Corinthians 15:1-8.

Ephesians 8: 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, (we are no longer under the curse of the law), and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth. If you read on from vs.10 to 16 you will see where Jesus after ascending up to heaven now gave Spiritual gifts unto men as some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.

The lower parts of the earth has nothing to do with delivering all paradise into heaven with Him as I can not find any scripture that says delivering all paradise into heaven with Him. In 1 Peter 3:19 it says Jesus being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit went and preached to the spirits in prison. The spirits in prison that Jesus went to preach to are those angels that are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. These angels are separate from the third Satan gathered with him as these angels bound in chains kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day, Jude 1:5-7.

Ephesians 8:9 says before Jesus ascended He first descended into the lower parts of the earth as in going there to preach to the spirits there in prison. In 1 Peter 3:19 it says Jesus being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit went and preached to the spirits in prison. The spirits in prison that Jesus went to preach to are those angels that are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. These angels are separate from the third Satan gathered with him as these angels bound in chains kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day, Jude 1:5-7. Preaching to them was like telling them He now has the victory over death.

The angel, being Gods created spirit being, is the angel Jesus sends to speak the words of what God first gave to Jesus then Jesus gives to this angel to speak as Jesus only speaks that of what the Father gives Him to speak. This angel was sent to John to show him all these visions and to write to the seven Churches in Asia which represents all of us being the body of Christ.
 
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for_his_glory I hope you don’t mind me asking, I do like to know your stance are you post trib and or a Partial-Preterism? You come across as Amill or am I reading you wrong?
 

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I understand it to be a last call before God pours out his wrath/Judgement. Because it does say

Revelation 14:6-12

6Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.”

8A second angel followed and said, “ ‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,’a which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.”

9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

It’s very obvious that God has not poured out his wrath yet. The angel is calling out for LAST CALL to repent, worship God and be saved. I do not believe the GT is God’s wrath. These are all PREwarnings, not to worship the AC or take the mark of the beast in the following verses which I have also bolded. It even mentions in verse 9 that God has not in FACT poured out his wrath yet for it says in the following verse

Revelation 14:9-11 NIV

9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

I bolded the letter wrath, so you can see that God’s judgement/wrath is not the same as the GT. The Angel gives everyone a fair warning before God pours out his wrath. It’s right there, black and white. That is how I understand it.
Notice in vs. 7 the hour of his judgement has come meaning all are now in the midst of the seventh trumpet heading towards the timing of Gods White Throne Judgement. The seventh trumpet starts sounding in Rev 11:15 that ushers in all of the events of the everything written from Chapter 13-20 up to the time Christ return and then Gods Great White Throne judgement comes.

This angel is preaching the gospel while another angel is giving warning to turn back to God and not to worship the beast as if they do take the mark of this beast they have sealed their fate and their judgement will be the lake of fire.

Great tribulation that the world has never seen before nor will ever again is the great tribulation of Gods mighty wrath being poured out into the world.
 

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for_his_glory I hope you don’t mind me asking, I do like to know your stance are you post trib and or a Partial-Preterism? You come across as Amill or am I reading you wrong?
I really do not like labels and place myself in none of them. I see all the events of the seventh trumpet sounding to be within a 3 1/2 year period when the son of perdition takes his seat and causes a great falling away as many are deceived by the false teachings and lying signs and wonders and bow down and takes its mark, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4; Rev 13. Then will Christ return casting the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire as around that time of His return we will be gathered to him after Satan is bound for a time, Rev 19:11-21.
(3 1/2 Times - Rev 12:14, Dan 7:25, Dan 12:7 - 1260 days - Rev 11:3, Rev 12:6 - 42 Months - Rev 11:2, Rev 13:5)

I also do not believe in a literal 1000 years as no where else in scripture does it say it is a 1000 years, but only symbolic in its numbering like in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
 
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I really do not like labels and place myself in none of them. I see all the events of the seventh trumpet sounding to be within a 3 1/2 year period when the son of perdition takes his seat and causes a great falling away as many are deceived by the false teachings and lying signs and wonders and bow down and takes its mark, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4; Rev 13. Then will Christ return casting the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire as around that time of His return we will be gathered to him after Satan is bound for a time, Rev 19:11-21.
(3 1/2 Times - Rev 12:14, Dan 7:25, Dan 12:7 - 1260 days - Rev 11:3, Rev 12:6 - 42 Months - Rev 11:2, Rev 13:5)

I also do not believe in a literal 1000 years as no where else in scripture does it say it is a 1000 years, but only symbolic in its numbering like in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
Sorry for labeling you, but I find it fascinating that you are Pre-trib and Amill! How very odd. You are indeed peculiar to hold to both views at the same time. To me the two views are in conflict with one another and are not compatible, so I find it unheard of to be able to hold to two such conflicting views. All Pre-Tribbers that I have met in my life time were either historical premill or the most common and traditional would be Dispensational premill. I honestly find that to be fascinating and interesting I might add that someone holds to pretrib and Amillennialism. Either way makes no difference to me because all in due time, things will happen in ways we never thought. At least that is what I am learning as end times prophecy along with the NWO are progressing, so it should be interesting in its own proper time the revealing of events taking place and unfolding at the right time of course. This will be the what ends the end conflict lol. I know I would love a rapture before your guys’s version of the GT that I don’t ascribe to.
Wouldn’t you say it’s better to be safe than sorry? I know God can protect people from anything and everything as he did with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego?

God protected them on the earth, they never left, neither did Noah and his family, nor did Lot, not even Moses! He even says that in

John 17:15

15My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17Sanctify them byd the truth; your word is truth. 18As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

I truly believe that the GT is for Christians to go thru the refining process. I believe we are in the early stages of it now and my mind is absolutely made up about it and it is very unlikely of changing anytime soon. As in the days of Noah and Soddom and Gomorrah. I refuse to be in denial of where we are at now regarding a timeline. Like I said, it sure would be nice for us to escape everything. None of Jesus’ apostles were that lucky. I won’t complain if it does happen, however, it’s just not consistent with scripture. One final judgement, Satan is destroyed once and for all, a new heaven and a new earth is created, death was defeated and we finally get to live with Jesus and be with him for eternity. A life free from sin, pain, and no more tears.

From what I have seen with my own two eyes leads me to believe that it is extremely selfish and self centered to think that the west is some great and special people to escape to heaven while so many unfortunate souls, even now as we speak are being slaughtered like you would not believe because all the fake news is controlled. Go to bestgore.com if you can tolerate seeing people being killed in the most horrific ways possible. Why you ask would I visit such a site? Curiousity of course. I indeed traumatized myself so I was told and I also desensitized myself to the most brutally, ruthlessly without mercy people are being beheaded, beaten to death, stoned to death, burned alive, being tied to the trunk of a vehicle and drving with people trailing behind, stabbings, shootings, you name it, it is happening and most don’t know what is happening in some other places of the world which would make the conflict between Israells and the arabs look like childs play.
But unfortunately the only way to see the brutalities taking place across the world is by those who commit these heinous acts, record them and upload them to the internet. I don’t actually recommend anyone going to that site, but in order to try and make a vaild point as to why I don’t subscribe to Pre-trib theology. That is why.
 
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Oh no, I can’t edit and add to my post. I forgot to mention the only two people who haven’t died is Elijah and Enoch whom I believe them to be the two witnesses, why you wonder? Well, I will tell you why because of Hebrews 9:27

27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Enoch and Elijah haven’t died yet astonishingly. If I remember correctly, it is Elijah who went up in a fire tornado or whirlwind? And Enoch walked with God and was taken.

2 Kings 2:11 for Elijah and Genesis 5:24 for Enoch.
The two witnesses are killed and then resurrected and then they are killed and resurrected. They had to have never died. Revelation 11:7-13
 
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I can not find any scripture that says delivering all paradise into heaven with Him.
Hi Sister for_his_glory, I think it was you that brought forth the fact of Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. May I ask who you think was in Paradise, and not in heaven until Jesus made the way open? Do you read where Paul says in 2Co 12:3-4 And I knew a man caught up into paradise . . . How'd they get there, or do you think that is future too?
The spirits in prison that Jesus went to preach to are those angels that are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Created angels are being preached to?
The angel, being Gods created spirit being, is the angel Jesus sends to speak the words of what God first gave to Jesus then Jesus gives to this angel to speak as Jesus only speaks that of what the Father gives Him to speak. This angel was sent to John to show him all these visions and to write to the seven Churches in Asia which represents all of us being the body of Christ.
Exactly. :sohappyNow that wasn't too hard, was it? Now for the purpose of clarifying Jesus' angel's position in heaven, who was it. Do you think it occured after all future judgment? Thanks.
 
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That is a good point Eugene because of the fact that Elijah was caught up to paradise. 2 Kings 2:11. Post tribs usually go bezerk about John 3:13, but they are taking scripture out of context (so easy to do!)

But scripture even in the OT says otherwise!
Proverbs 27:17
 
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Just a heads up, I’m am Amillennialist.
Are you contending for a pat on the back, or a small well done trophy? How's about a who cares shrug of the shoulders instead? :)
Amillennism affects the price of rice in China, does it? Actually, and if I'm understanding the terminology correctly, I do not believe Jesus will rule from an earthly kingdom; His throne is set and will remain in heaven during His reign, and at its consummation 1Co 15:28 says: And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
 
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Are you contending for a pat on the back, or a small well done trophy?
No I’m not.

How's about a who cares shrug of the shoulders instead? :)
I’m used to cold sholders, I was bullied in school and have been made an outcast by people where ever I go. I have no friends and spend most of my time alone in isolation. I’m just looking to find some people to fellowship with, but your post makes it clear that you do not like me or want me around, so I’ll take the hint and get lost. Maybe I was never meant to have friends and be completely set apart for God. I found your post to be really mean. God bless you.

I really do need to just focus on my schooling and I think it is time to say good bye to social media and forums. People are nothing but trouble. I don’t need anyone but Jesus and I do not belong on any kind of forums. I realize they are just way too many mean people out there. I am done with socializing with anyone. I wish you would delete this account. It was a mistake signing up here. I take it as a hint that God wants me to focus on school and not waste my time in forums anymore. Bahbai
 
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Just a heads up, I’m am Amillennialist.
Are you contending for a pat on the back, or a small well done trophy? How's about a who cares shrug of the shoulders instead? :sorry I was kidding.
your post makes it clear that you do not like me or want me around, so I’ll take the hint and get lost. Maybe I was never meant to have friends and be completely set apart for God. I found your post to be really mean. God bless you.
Sister Tatilina, please forgive me. I was merely attempting to have fun with you. I enjoy our discussion on these subjects, which few will enter into. Please don't withdraw, and I promise to never smile again, and I edited the previous post of mine to show me sorry instead of the smiling emoji. I love you in Jesus' name.
 
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Sister Tatilina, please forgive me. I was merely attempting to have fun with you. I enjoy our discussion on these subjects, which few will enter into. Please don't withdraw, and I promise to never smile again, and I edited the previous post of mine to show me sorry instead of the smiling emoji. I love you in Jesus' name.
I apologize Eugene for taking it the wrong way. I guess I’m being a bit over sensitive due to having to write my math exam today. So without realizing it, I must be stressing over it and of course that clouds judgement usually. No you don’t habe to stop smiling or joking around just because I took it the wrong way. Thanks for the apology brother Eugene abd I love you too in Jesus name.

The internet is the worst place for bring misunderstood. I know I hate it when I’m misunderstood. Don’t worry I will catch on easier when you are joking! Gotta get ready my exam. Say a little prayer for me that I may pass only by his grace for his own glory!