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jasonc said:
Your argument would hold water only if meth, cocaine,pot,were legally sold .they aren't.
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Current strategy is to keep illegal street prices expensive. This just keeps crime profits lofty, and tempts users to steal. I would prefer that they switch to prioritizing keeping non users safe on the streets.

...in prison,they must attend na,aa for any criminal offense if they are also an addict.
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Yes, treatment. That is what I am recommending. AA, NA, Teen Challenge and such are great. Keep up the good work.
 
Michael74 said:
Current strategy is to keep illegal street prices expensive. This just keeps crime profits lofty, and tempts users to steal. I would prefer that they switch to prioritizing keeping non users safe on the streets.



Yes, treatment. That is what I am recommending. AA, NA, Teen Challenge and such are great. Keep up the good work.
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The country of portugual doesn't allow drug sales, they bust the dealers.

There's no stats on the effectiveness of na,aa.

Can't verify if a user quits. I have a aa mentor friend ,he was briefed ,and briefs,this most of you will likely die from you addiction, aa makes no one quit ,but provides tools.

People are going to break laws,why have any law.? I stole, should we allow grand theft ?

https://psmag.com/social-justice/75-years-alcoholics-anonymous-time-admit-problem-74268

We have to have data on if these work.

On oxy etc

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/11/health/prescription-opioid-payments-eprise/index.html
 
All I know is that the current system is not working. We need to try something else. We need safer streets. I've had enough of daily reports of street shootings and robberies. Enough with the pretend war on drugs that is turning some streets into war zones.

Protect the non users already. Enough with pretending that they are protecting users from themselves, when they are doing anything but.
 
Michael74 said:
All I know is that the current system is not working. We need to try something else. We need safer streets. I've had enough of daily reports of street shootings and robberies. Enough with the pretend war on drugs that is turning some streets into war zones.

Protect the non users already. Enough with pretending that they are protecting users from themselves, when they are doing anything but.
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Never said it was, but simply this,plenty of homeless here can attend aa,and a few do ,the users will use no mattee what.

You can't ignore that sober houses often are a money racket ,and plenty of addicts die in those .
Michael74 said:
Police detectives are not able to keep up with their work load. 5 investigations per year is recommended. 3 by some. Many try to do a lot more.
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The idea of safety ,risk,danger free world is where in the bible.

I live,in a druggie area read meters while drugs are sold,on the beach ,in gated community. I smelled pot in use by a roofer.it wasn't even 8 am
 
Michael74 said:
All I know is that the current system is not working. We need to try something else. We need safer streets. I've had enough of daily reports of street shootings and robberies. Enough with the pretend war on drugs that is turning some streets into war zones.

Protect the non users already. Enough with pretending that they are protecting users from themselves, when they are doing anything but.
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Crime is down drastically from just a few decades ago. We forget how much safer we are now, than we were.
 
Barbarian said:
Crime is down drastically from just a few decades ago. We forget how much safer we are now, than we were.
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is that why they wanted to charge the mother who simply let her kid walk the dog a few blocks. I walked and roamed for miles away from my house as a kid, playing in the woods with my brother and our friends. no cell phones, no one but us. did we at times do dumb stuff and get into trouble? yes but our parents didnt have to worry about the state taking us. try letting your child roam as I did today and see what happens.

I understand the safety concerns but well most kidnappers, and rapists are in fact going to be the people you know. my sister was raped by a family friend and two trailers away from where we lived. she was known to go there as we all did and it wasn't like my parents nor us distrusted him, just happened. he is the reason I will always hate alchohol.
 
Barbarian said:
Crime is down drastically from just a few decades ago. We forget how much safer we are now, than we were.
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Its a start, but we still have a long way to go. Oldsters talk of a day when they could leave the keys in their car, leave the top down, and the only thing they worried about was would it rain. You still can't do that today, in many cities. I want that back.
 
Michael74 said:
Its a start, but we still have a long way to go. Oldsters talk of a day when they could leave the keys in their car, leave the top down, and the only thing they worried about was would it rain. You still can't do that today, in many cities. I want that back.
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Car theft is down 20% from a half-century ago.
http://www.krusekronicle.com/kruse_...pective-on-violence-in-the-united-states.html

That crime is correlated with urban population. Since we've been increasingly urbanized, I doubt if we'll ever go back to the rate we had when we were mostly an agricultural nation. But we are safer now than we were 50 years ago.
 
Michael74 said:
Its a start, but we still have a long way to go. Oldsters talk of a day when they could leave the keys in their car, leave the top down, and the only thing they worried about was would it rain. You still can't do that today, in many cities. I want that back.
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People here don't lock their doors. Where I ski, most houses have no lock on their door! I'm not sure, but I suspect kids here roam miles away from home with no problems, just like we did.

We didn't have to worry about Trans though, are they really their own species? Lol
 
Michael74 said:
I'm happy for you. Its not like that everywhere though. Some people still need help.
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Yeah, I would say it's a pretty localized phenomenon where I live. And in Milwaukee? A concrete worker using a Bobcat (big, heavy machinery) had the trailer he carried it in on stolen!

I don't know what to make of the conundrum: statistics show lower crime, but kids are treated like they're on lockdown. In public schools, access should be restricted and monitored closely. I think kids should be able to walk their dogs though? If there's an exception to that due to a horrible neighborhood, why do families live there? Something doesn't add up. Punishing parents is no solution.
 
Razeontherock said:
Yeah, I would say it's a pretty localized phenomenon where I live. And in Milwaukee? A concrete worker using a Bobcat (big, heavy machinery) had the trailer he carried it in on stolen!
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It went from a moderate base level, to ramping the the 60s and 70s, and then returning nearer to the initial base level. Not everywhere though. Cities like Baltimore, Newark, Cincinnati, and Cleveland all still have super rates.

Many factors seem to be involved in the phenomenon. Select areas are still in desperate need of help.
 
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