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Trinitarianism: What Non-Trinitarians Believe

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JudaicChristian said:
Here is the link to the thread. If It becomes a big can of worms, then they can delete this thread. Judaic Christian Forum - Trinitarianism: What Non-Trinitarians Believe
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Is NO new's good NEWS? Acts 5:27-29 & verse 32

And Surely the 'Doctrine Of Christ' is the 'Site' Teaching!
"Whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. ..'

And John surely was an ORIGINAL Jew, weened & schooled in all of his 'much' previous penned work from his Master's way seen being IN HIS SANCTUARY of Psalms 77:13's Teaching, huh!

The Doctrine of Christ surely is ETERNAL GOSPEL seen in John's pen in Rev. 14:6 & from Gen. 1-Rev. 22 + 2 Tim. 3:16's [DOCTRINE] with Christ's ETERNAL REQUIREMENT for our.. Eternal 'FOOD or required FEEDINGS' Supply. 2 Tim. 3:16.

That was just a tad bit of the pennman's INSPIRED belief as 'i' see it. And if this might be useful as well? one might find this being the same one of two that Christ documented as an ex/son of THUNDER? And the reason being is Christ also stated that the ones that had sinned most also LOVE THE MOST! And John who lived the longest of the Inspired writter's surely documented much about what the PRINCIPLE OF AGAPE LOVE WAS & MEANT. (a moral Principle!)

He was also said of Christ to be one of His most Loving disciples! Wow, from THUNDER to This!!

OK: But is this Agape Love being mealy-mouthed as some teach? (such as this DOCTRINE OF CHRIST?) This LOVING one of Christ tell's it VERY STRAIGHT for the ones who 'BELIEVE INSPIRATION'.

Even try his Holy Spirit Inspiration of 1 John 2:4 to see how he has the Inspired Word of God CLEARLY SPOKEN. ...
'He that saith, I know Him, (or love Him) and [keepeth not His Commandments, IS A LIAR, and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM].'

And it seem's to me that 'the person' of the Inspirition has us told a little about theirself for required knowledge from God, for a purpose as well? This seems to me to be a required Truth from all of Eternity to test the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST BY. After all, we do know that this first liar was the one who started the rebellion in heaven, huh? And his rebellion was against the 'ETERNAL' DOCTRINE OF CHRIST! (again John's pen of Rev. 14:6)

--Elijah
 
The trinity IS a hard thing to grasp, I admit. As a 34 year baptist, even I have trouble wrapping my head around the "3 in 1" thing.

I would spend more time on it, but I don't see why I should. Christ died for my sins, I accepted His gift of salvation and try to live as He'd want me to. THAT is Christianity to me, THAT I can wrap my mind around - but the vast things of heaven are beyond my reach - like the stars are beyond my reach.

I have compared my intellect to God as my dog's is to mine - but that does not even work, God's intellect is WAY father ahead of mine, that mine is ahead of my dog's. I don't stand a chance of understanding something like the trinity - and anyone who claims to fully understand it, or understand the depth of God's love, or a thousand other deep truths of God - is deceiving us (and probably themselves, too).

If you dont' believe in the trinity, they you BETTER prepare to explain it when God speaks of "we" or "us" (depending on how it's translated) when He speaks of Himself.
 
Pizzaguy said:
The trinity IS a hard thing to grasp, I admit. As a 34 year baptist, even I have trouble wrapping my head around the "3 in 1" thing.

I would spend more time on it, but I don't see why I should. Christ died for my sins, I accepted His gift of salvation and try to live as He'd want me to. THAT is Christianity to me, THAT I can wrap my mind around - but the vast things of heaven are beyond my reach - like the stars are beyond my reach.

I have compared my intellect to God as my dog's is to mine - but that does not even work, God's intellect is WAY father ahead of mine, that mine is ahead of my dog's. I don't stand a chance of understanding something like the trinity - and anyone who claims to fully understand it, or understand the depth of God's love, or a thousand other deep truths of God - is deceiving us (and probably themselves, too).

If you dont' believe in the trinity, they you BETTER prepare to explain it when God speaks of "we" or "us" (depending on how it's translated) when He speaks of Himself.
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Hi, you seem to me to a very sincere young'in. That means that I am surely older than you. But here is how I see that posting. (yours) First comes Matt. 4:4 & then 2 Tim. 3:16 both are required mandatory Truth. And doctrine is required right?

OK: O.T. finds Gods way in the Sanctuary. Psalms 77:13 So lets just say that you come to the Sanctuary daily as is required, and you offer the required lamb
offering (representing Christ sacrifice in Faith) which does indeed find 'them' & you today in Rom. 8:1 without Condemnation. And let's say that they went NO FURTHER into the requirements of.. washing, eating the bread, & the altar of incense + on. In other words, lets say that they say as you seem to say?? That you are Rom. 8:1 In Christ with NO CONDEMNATION.. which is true, perhaps, (and I say perhaps because only you & God know that) and now you come up further up to Rom. 8:14 of BEING LED OF THE HOLY GHOST & you & they say, I NEED GO NO FURTHER ON, for I am Saved.

This is where both would find that they are right back [out/side] of Christ CONDEMNED! (as 'i' see it) You don't think so? well, what if God was wanting you to be His last day minister. Surely you would not think that you qualify with the knowledge of Heb. 5's milk do you?? And surely God does not want one to stay Rev. 3:16 dormant? Inspiration states.. SPEWED OUT, sickening.

And a humble 'flea' beside of God's 'knowledge' is just a cop/out as He see's it! Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor, 12:9. All of the Bible Writters could & would agree to that!:thumbsup
Yet, most were executed before being a likewarm cop/out! See Dan. 3:14-18

--Elijah

PS: And yes, 'i' do believe in Jehovah God & Christ God who both have an Image that we were patterened after, + the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost God as He calls Himself who has NO image, yet, is one of the three seperate individuals that make up the Family of God!
 
Pizzaguy said:
The trinity IS a hard thing to grasp, I admit. As a 34 year baptist, even I have trouble wrapping my head around the "3 in 1" thing.

I would spend more time on it, but I don't see why I should. Christ died for my sins, I accepted His gift of salvation and try to live as He'd want me to. THAT is Christianity to me, THAT I can wrap my mind around - but the vast things of heaven are beyond my reach - like the stars are beyond my reach.

I have compared my intellect to God as my dog's is to mine - but that does not even work, God's intellect is WAY father ahead of mine, that mine is ahead of my dog's. I don't stand a chance of understanding something like the trinity - and anyone who claims to fully understand it, or understand the depth of God's love, or a thousand other deep truths of God - is deceiving us (and probably themselves, too).

If you dont' believe in the trinity, they you BETTER prepare to explain it when God speaks of "we" or "us" (depending on how it's translated) when He speaks of Himself.
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Genesis 126 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image,...
The words "let us" is an interpretation for the Hebrew word "we" imperfect. It is used a number of times in scripture to refer to ones self. AKA the "Royal We." In those places it should have been translated as "I" for the English language. All of the Trinity proof text are either poor translations or complete fabrications. Yahshua was a immortal being from the kingdom of heaven placed in Mary's womb. In Heaven he was known as Peniel, but born named Yahshua. While visiting the Judaic Christian Forum you may want to read some of the other threads.
 
JudaicChristian said:
Genesis 126 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image,...
The words "let us" is an interpretation for the Hebrew word "we" imperfect. It is used a number of times in scripture to refer to ones self. AKA the "Royal We." In those places it should have been translated as "I" for the English language.
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So I can't trust my Bible because it's translated wrong. Thanks - I'm gonna use that argument for a 4.5 billion year old earth!

Ya did me a favor! :thumbsup
 
Elijah674 said:
Hi, you seem to me to a very sincere young'in. That means that I am surely older than you. But here is how I see that posting. (yours) First comes Matt. 4:4 & then 2 Tim. 3:16 both are required mandatory Truth. And doctrine is required right?

OK: O.T. finds Gods way in the Sanctuary. Psalms 77:13 So lets just say that you come to the Sanctuary daily as is required, and you offer the required lamb
offering (representing Christ sacrifice in Faith) which does indeed find 'them' & you today in Rom. 8:1 without Condemnation. And let's say that they went NO FURTHER into the requirements of.. washing, eating the bread, & the altar of incense + on. In other words, lets say that they say as you seem to say?? That you are Rom. 8:1 In Christ with NO CONDEMNATION.. which is true, perhaps, (and I say perhaps because only you & God know that) and now you come up further up to Rom. 8:14 of BEING LED OF THE HOLY GHOST & you & they say, I NEED GO NO FURTHER ON, for I am Saved.

This is where both would find that they are right back [out/side] of Christ CONDEMNED! (as 'i' see it) You don't think so? well, what if God was wanting you to be His last day minister. Surely you would not think that you qualify with the knowledge of Heb. 5's milk do you?? And surely God does not want one to stay Rev. 3:16 dormant? Inspiration states.. SPEWED OUT, sickening.

And a humble 'flea' beside of God's 'knowledge' is just a cop/out as He see's it! Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor, 12:9. All of the Bible Writters could & would agree to that!:thumbsup
Yet, most were executed before being a likewarm cop/out! See Dan. 3:14-18

--Elijah

PS: And yes, 'i' do believe in Jehovah God & Christ God who both have an Image that we were patterened after, + the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost God as He calls Himself who has NO image, yet, is one of the three seperate individuals that make up the Family of God!
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I'm sorry but I still don't know if you agree with my post or not, it sounds like you don't - but then you end with the 'family of God' statement which implies a trinity - or does it? Every one of your posts is a bible study, I can't respond to you without going thru all those verses - and I'm at work, on the phone (on hold with Motorola customer Non-support) so I can't read thru all of that right now.

Can you express your position simply? I won't ask you to back it up 100% anyway!
 
A person can be more than one thing at the same time. For instance, a man can be a husband, father, and son all at the same time.

I think the same is true of the Lord. He is the Father (Creator), Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit (this is his name, I believe, when he speaks directly to us), all at the same time.
 
elijah23 said:
A person can be more than one thing at the same time. For instance, a man can be a husband, father, and son all at the same time.

I think the same is true of the Lord. He is the Father (Creator), Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit (this is his name, I believe, when he speaks directly to us), all at the same time.
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Yea, and you then stretch that concept to what a God can be all at once and I think the trinity can make sense.

Look, non-trin people - I know it's a hard concept to grasp. I rejected it initially - but that didn't work for me either, as I read my Bible!
 
Pizzaguy said:
So I can't trust my Bible because it's translated wrong. Thanks - I'm gonna use that argument for a 4.5 billion year old earth!

Ya did me a favor! :thumbsup
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The elements that make up the Earth are ancient, and the creation days are epochs of time, but what the Evolutionist say is also a fabrication. Mankind is very dishonest. If you will note, the calendar only begins with the creation of Adam. So how much time passed after the creation of this universe until the creation of the Earth, the bible does not say. And how much time passed until the creation of Adam, again the bible does not say. Dinosaur bones that were not identified as such were carbon dated as being about 6 to 12,000 years old.
 
I think the scientists agree that the dinos went out millions of years ago.
But I do agree with your statements about the time frame of Genesis.

So much of this we will never know for sure - and I think that is by design, to some extent.
 
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Pizzaguy said:
I think the scientists agree that the dinos went out millions of years ago.
But I do agree with your statements about the time frame of Genesis.

So much of this we will never know for sure - and I think that is by design, to some extent.
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Creation scientist do not agree with the Evolutionist. Scripture does say that Adam was created in Gods image from the dust of the Earth. That being true means that things did not evolve. It is true that life forms have limited adaptability's.
 
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