Bible Study Trinity Evidence All False

[Squeakybro]

Elijah you said
John explains this when he wrote “Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.”
Then he explains why the old commandment becomes new “because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.”

I said
I think you misunderstand the word beginning. Was it talking about the beginning in the old testament or the beginning in the new testament?
You want to imply its talking about the beginning in the old testament, but if that were so you would have to make void all them verses in the revelation I gave you. But if it is talking about the beginning in the new testament seeing as how the book of John was written long after the beginning of the new testament the meaning would fit in perfectly.

 

[Elijah message]

Elijah you said
John explains this when he wrote “Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.â€Â
Then he explains why the old commandment becomes new “because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.â€Â

I said
I think you misunderstand the word beginning. Was it talking about the beginning in the old testament or the beginning in the new testament?

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Elijah here: This post was from another? Did you read their remarks & verses?? And about the WORD? The WORD as CHRIST IS EVERLASTING! [ETERNAL}NO BEGINNING! There is no beginning to any of the WORD OF GOD, P-E-R-I-O-D! Everlasting Gospel, Revelation 14:6 & Everlasting Covenant of Hebrews 13:20. The Bible was not in print, yet the Word of God has always been from everlasting! Gods forknowledge.
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You want to imply its talking about the beginning in the old testament, but if that were so you would have to make void all them verses in the revelation I gave you. But if it is talking about the beginning in the new testament seeing as how the book of John was written long after the beginning of the new testament the meaning would fit in perfectly.

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Me again: You are not reading well? Or perhaps you are not reading at all???? ?
See again 2 Timothy 3:16 for ALL INCLUSIVE! And Christs WORDS in Matthew 4:4

 

[Squeakybro]

Elijah it seems we just "see" things differently.

Mark 8:18
18 "Having eyes, do you not see? And having ears, do you not hear? And do you not remember?
(NKJ)

Matt 24:2
2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
(NKJ)

 

[Elijah message]

Elijah it seems we just "see" things differently.

Mark 8:18
18 "Having eyes, do you not see? And having ears, do you not hear? And do you not remember?
(NKJ)

Matt 24:2
2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
(NKJ)

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We can agree to that, huh?

But have you ever really believed God completely? By that I mean, had you ever when one was in the Heb. 5 group, & you saw a verse or two that you were convinced that it was from God, (No doubt of its meaning) but you were afraid to belive it, or that you were thinking that you might prove that there was no God, and that you just would not believe it??

I had passed through that kind of 'maturity'. Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant were a couple of the Doctrines of Christ that were hard to accept. Both are N.T. verses (Revelation 14:6 & Hebrews 13:20)
I had to believe eternal meant eternal! NO BEGINNING! I had a real fight with BELIEVING GOD! Plain & 'very simple' of me, huh?

It took me way back in eternity!!! (in thinking) Lucifers rebellion? Covering Cherub over the Ark, *MERCY SEAT! (Christ as God= Doctrine of Christ) Even to our time of prophecy [to be] as seen in Proverbs 8:22 on to verse30, written 1000 years B.C. time telling us of the Man/Christ that had not come as of yet. This to me was a real faith builder! :fadein: Finally I said OK Master, lets see where this takes [YOU!] :fadein:

Of course this was all in the PLAN that was known from ETERNITY! (us here to boot, huh?) And the Son of God was what was too be! And one verse of the whole (Word of God= Christ) Bible that helped me see this was from Paul's Inspiration as seen in Romans 4:17's last part of the verse. We get concerned with context, but Truth is Truth regardless if it is Abram of Christ!

".. EVEN GOD ... and [CALLETH THOSE THINGS WHICH BE NOT] AS [THOUGH THEY WERE]." Such as Prov. 8 on!

Then there is much more that took some real faith (BELIEF) to hang on to!
For me at least. I think that I was just not sure that I did TRUST GOD? (FAITH!) STUPID PERHAPS, but that was my concern! I wanted to believe, but I was just doubtful.

Case in point is Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15. My commentaries that I studied 'really botched' these verses up! I was taught that the Bible was its own Hermeneutics. And then here comes the supposed 'educated mans' complete nonsense! I knew what God said there in these verses. And I can now understand why they were never accepted. Faith in God is the reason!

Such as: Start with the creation of Adam. What was Adam first pro/created son? Cain. Now, what was the first creation of God, if one truly BELIEVES these verses as the very Word of God? God cannot lie, right!!? Where was my faith?? Could I believe God? The very first of the Godheads creation was Lucifer. Now: Lucifer fell! And what happened to Adam first reproduction?

I could go on & on---- But perhaps I would be just spinning my wheels, huh? :fadein: But, if one REALLY BELIEVED THE WORD OF GOD,
(CHRIST!) there is very little that could not be read & cleared up very simply by applying these Eccl. verses, all of the way down to what the Mark of the Beast will be!

---Your friend in *The Christ God, for His quickly finished work of 1 Peter 4:17's FIRST! ---Elijah

 

[Squeakybro]

Elijah you said
We can agree to that, huh?

But have you ever really believed God completely? By that I mean, had you ever when one was in the Heb. 5 group, & you saw a verse or two that you were convinced that it was from God, (No doubt of its meaning) but you were afraid to belive it, or that you were thinking that you might prove that there was no God, and that you just would not believe it??

I had passed through that kind of 'maturity'. Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant were a couple of the Doctrines of Christ that were hard to accept. Both are N.T. verses (Revelation 14:6 & Hebrews 13:20)
I had to believe eternal meant eternal! NO BEGINNING! I had a real fight with BELIEVING GOD! Plain & 'very simple' of me, huh?

It took me way back in eternity!!! (in thinking) Lucifers rebellion? Covering Cherub over the Ark, *MERCY SEAT! (Christ as God= Doctrine of Christ) Even to our time of prophecy [to be] as seen in Proverbs 8:22 on to verse30, written 1000 years B.C. time telling us of the Man/Christ that had not come as of yet. This to me was a real faith builder! Finally I said OK Master, lets see where this takes [YOU!]

I said
No I cant say I ever had trouble believing this verse.

Heb 13:20-21
20 Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 make you complete in every good work to do His will, working in you what is well pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
(NKJ)

The problem I see is in people believing this verse, there is only one God the Father. I see that in people that have had the pre-conceived idea of the trinity put in their minds.

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

 

[Elijah message]

Hi again squeaks!
We both can see that this is going no where, huh? Here is a post that I posted on another sit by initials. I will leave you with this, you can have the last remark if you desire?
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NB...Can you tell me what the Body of Christ is? What it is comprised of?

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Pastor N.B. here:
The BODY OF CHRIST are the redeemed that are safe to save. Na. 1:9

It is Everlasting Gospel! Are you familiar with the Throne Room of heaven? The Most Holy Place where Christ is now our High Priest? In Rev. 11:19 we see the Temple of God OPENED IN HEAVEN, and there was seen in [HIS] Temple the ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT.."

Do a study of the earthly & heavenly Sanctuary PATTERN of Heb. & Exod., along with Eze. 28. Any sincere one will be convinced that over this Ark is the Mercy Seat. This IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL REMEMBER. The GodHead has ever know that the [plan] when needed was ETERNALLY there. Now, inside the Ark is the Everlasting Covenant that they knew was to be tested by Lucifer & then by mankind, who were created a little lower than the angels. (most likely for a purpose) Man WAS IN COMPLETE LIBERTY until the Covenant was broken. See James 2:12

Now for your question: Gen. 3:15 is for MANKIND. ALL OF MANKIND!! The Eternal Lamb must be accepted & His 'provision' used to mature to a perfected character to be safe to save. God could not create MATURE perfection without one being as a robot. Perfect & a safe character needed to be developed! Therefor we see a forbidden tree in the 'midst' of the Garden. (Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9) The Word's of Christ in John 15:5 "Without Me ye can do nothing" is (was) eternal Truth. Even in heaven & the unfallen world's, as seen in the Heb. chapter's plural. Again, there were NO Jews at creation! Gen. 3:15 was for Gods creation!

The Lord said.. "My Spirit will not always STRIVE WITH MAN.." Gen. 6:3 And it tells of the [120 years] that Noah preached to the ones that the Holy Spirit was STRIVING FOR, to have them accept the LAMB OF GOD (again Gen. 3:15! try Gen. 8:20 just after the flood) AND BE 'IN THE BODY OF CHRIST'! These were not Jews! Well, we know the rest of the story, right? The ones of today are copycats of the satanic Cain and his antediluvians. (look at how you are 'personally' spoken of)

By the way, what did Christ say about the history of Noah?
Some here will once again be beating on the Ark's door (CHRIST!) wanting to get 'in', but Matt. 25 tells us the DOOR WAS SHUT! Sad indeed!

OK: these Gentile ones before the New Testament are also in the Body of Christ. (few they may be in comparison to the broadway ones) They will help make up Heavenly Zion. Did I not mention the preaching of Jonah to Nineveh? (no Jews there either)
Hope this is what you are asking Think of it this way. All the saved in the BODY OF THE MASTER, regardless of their 'time' in eternity in the past, (ETERNAL GOSPEL & COVENANT) will be as Rom. 2:28-29 state! "BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY.." Born Again in the Spirit of Christ!

---Pastor N.B.

 

[Squeakybro]

Elijah I have enjoyed our conversations together.

 

[Elijah message]

Elijah I have enjoyed our conversations together.

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Ditto friend, same here! Here is another from a sit that I posted up a little while ago with my initials.
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The Doctrine of Christ is eternal! Consists of ALL Scripture! (The Word) 2 Tim. 3:16 [*for ALL Doctrine!] - Matt. 4:4 +++! Our diet is the Doctrine of Christ! All of His spiritual Vitamins. "WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING"!! John 15:1-5 & the last part of verse 5 is an ETERNAL TRUTH.

No one need to obey the Word of God, or the Doctrine of Christ, regardless of them knowing it or not. That is one's free choice! The same way that as Cain DECIDED on in Gen. 4:7. Cain was mature & was talking directly to Christ in person. He was told what he MUST DO!

The bottom line of this failure in todays in/lightened setting (see Hosea 4:6 & Christ's last day increased knowledge statement) is still the same as Cain, the rejection of the INSIDE REAL PERSON OF CHRIST, His EPISTLE! His Moral makeup, His CHARACTER HIS 'LETTER EPISTLE' to us, (2 Cor. 3:3) His Covenant of LOVE, the Ten Commandments! See 2 John 6

---P/N/B

 

[Squeakybro]

Elijah you said
Cain was mature & was talking directly to Christ in person. He was told what he MUST DO!

I said
I dont understand this. If Christ were in the old testament this verse could only be about God the Father.

John 10:8
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
(NKJ)

 

[Elijah message]

Elijah you said
Cain was mature & was talking directly to Christ in person. He was told what he MUST DO!

I said
I dont understand this. If Christ were in the old testament this verse could only be about God the Father.

John 10:8
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
(NKJ)

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Elijah here: :fadein:

"This is He that was in the CHURCH in the wilderness.." Acts 7:38

"... ignorant ... And drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that ROCK WAS CHRIST." 1 Cor. 10:1-3 in part.

"Give ear, O Shepard of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth." Psalms 80:1

[*NOTICE] "Jesus Christ the *SAME YESTERDAY, and TODAY, and FOREVER. (Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant)
Be [NOT CARRIED ABOUT WITH DIVERS AND STRANGE DOCTRINES."] Hebrews 13:8, 9. This is [the Doctrine of Christ]! Again 2 John 9-11.

"Thou, even Thou, ART LORD ALONE; Thou hast made heaven, the heaven OF HEAVENS, with ALL THEIR HOST, the earth, and ALL THINGS that are therein, ... and Thou Preservest them ALL; and the HOST OF HEAVEN *WORSHIPETH THEE. Nehemiah 9:6

... Moreover THOU leddeth them in the day by a cloudy pillar; and in the night by a pillar of fire, ...Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spaketh with them from heaven, AND GAVETH THEM RIGHT JUDGEMENTS, AND TRUE LAWS, GOOD STATUES *AND COMMANDMENTS. (plural!) AND *MADEST KNOWN UNTO THEM [THY HOLY SABBATH, (No plural!) and commandest them [precepts, statutes, *and laws, (plural) and BY THE HAND OF MOSES thy servant.." Nehemiah 9:12,14. (Deuteronomy 31:9 Moses wrote this law in a book! see following verses Deuteronomy 31:24-26 for their placement in the *side of the Ark)

And note Colossians 1:13-19 "For by Him were CREATED ALL THINGS .... AND HE WAS *BEFORE ALL THINGS ..."

AGAIN DEAR FRIEND, ETERNAL CHRIST GOD, JEHOVAH GOD, HOLY SPIRIT GOD! That IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL & THE EVERLASTING COVENANT OF THE ONE GOD, GODHEAD.

 

[Squeakybro]

Elijah you said
AGAIN DEAR FRIEND, ETERNAL CHRIST GOD, JEHOVAH GOD, HOLY SPIRIT GOD! That IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL & THE EVERLASTING COVENANT OF THE ONE GOD, GODHEAD.

I said
Oh I see. Atleast I see where you get your ideas. Jesus only had two beginnings. One When the Father created Him, and two when He was begotten on earth. So If Jesus is God then it must be talking about who created God. If It was at the beginning of the old testament it must be the Father He is talking about.

John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
(NKJ)

 

[Elijah message]

Elijah you said
AGAIN DEAR FRIEND, ETERNAL CHRIST GOD, JEHOVAH GOD, HOLY SPIRIT GOD! That IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL & THE EVERLASTING COVENANT OF THE ONE GOD, GODHEAD.

I said
Oh I see. Atleast I see where you get your ideas. Jesus only had two


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Elijah here: NO, no, I did not say that! :fadein: Christ as the Son of God,

(as in forknowledge. Check Romans 4:17's last part again, forget Abram!
this knowledge is Eternal Truth!)

was an eternal plan brought forth from eternity, it had always been!! ! Christ was not brought forth, just the plan. Christ as a SON/MAN. OK?

Christ as God had NO BEGINNING! If so, what do you do with Proverbs 8:22 read it in the King James! "The Lord posseth ME in the [*BEGINNING OF *HIS WAY],.."?
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beginnings. One When the Father created Him, and two when He was begotten on earth. So If Jesus is God then it must be talking about who created God. If It was at the beginning of the old testament it must be the Father He is talking about.

John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
(NKJ)

 

[Squeakybro]

Elijah

you said

Christ as God had NO BEGINNING! If so, what do you do with Proverbs 8:22 read it in the King James! "The Lord posseth ME in the [*BEGINNING OF *HIS WAY],.."?
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I said
What I do with that is just what the Lord said to do with it.

John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
(NKJ)

II Jn 1:7-11
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

 

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