TRUE HOLINESS

[George Muller]

For those who are interested, the word "sanctified" and "holy" are the same as used through out the New Testament.

Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


In this passage the point that "holiness" by the law demanded obedience to the written code. But for a believer we have been made holy and perfected by the Blood of Christ.

Now the "holiness" we have is not that from obedience to written rules and standards, but the "holiness" of Gods Spirit as one walks in faith.


For it is written that Christ Himself has been made unto us "holiness".


Ac 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Ro 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:


Ro 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.


Now one can claim they have a form of holiness based upon their religious works... or lawkeeping etc.. but this sort of religious holiness has nothing to do with the truth of the gospel.

The term "holy" in effect means separated unto God, above what is common. Now this power comes only in that one "walks in the spirit" and if one is really walking in the spirit, they will manifest the fruits of the spirit. These fruits alone describe what is holy unto God and that which he accepts through faith in Christ.

Ga 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance:

Now thankfully I was delivered from a "holiness" religious group. I have seen and do testify that all those who seek to work holiness through the flesh and religious works and rules, are NEVER holy, on the contrary they are bitter, jealous, full of envy and strife, covetousness, hypocricy, wrath etc..

 

[George Muller]

Ac 3:10 And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.
11 And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering.
12 ¶ And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

This same Peter that denied Christ with curses only a few days before, had no religious deception about his own "holiness" he was in no way deceived as some are into believing that the Spirit of God moves or acts according to the holiness of any man. In fact it was Peters weakness and broken pride that allowed the Spirit of God to rest upon him. As Paul wrote over and over it is when we are in a condition of truth and weakness in our flesh, that we allow the power of Gods Spirit to make us a vessel fit for the Masters use. Those who claim they have power with God based on their holiness, are in the greatest of errors, and very well may be under the influence of a satanic spirit working false things through them in their pride.

 

[farouk]

[MENTION=96503]George Muller[/MENTION]:

Another relevant verse:

1 Corinthians 1.30

Blessings.

 

[George Muller]

@George Muller :

Another relevant verse:

1 Corinthians 1.30

Blessings.

Yes Brother, the ONLY "holiness" we may claim is that which comes as we BEHOLD Christ in His Glory.

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


Mans religion and those who glory in the flesh, will not and cannot understand the true gospel.

 

[Ryan]

1 Peter 1 is saying something completely different what you are concluding.

13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance,
15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;
16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

Where else is 1 Peter 1:16 quoting from and drawing us back to???

Your posts sound very familiar to another individual who had difficulity accepting God's mitzvahs were relevant for a believer today.

 

[George Muller]

1 Peter 1 is saying something completely different what you are concluding.

13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance,
15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;
16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

Where else is 1 Peter 1:16 quoting from and drawing us back to???

Your posts sound very familiar to another individual who had difficulity accepting God's mitzvahs were relevant for a believer today.

Well of course, if you believe that holiness is a product of mans efforts and works of religion (flesh), you will not see that Peter is saying exactly the same thing as Paul.
"be ye holy-as He is Holy" is saying "behold Christ and be conformed to His Image, by the Spirit of God. Now the scriptures cannot speak to all believers as "spiritual" for most are so carnal that they have no understanding of what it means to "behold" Christ and be conformed by the Spirit of God. But be sure Peter is in complete agreement with Paul, and the conflict is yours and not in the scriptures I have posted.

Also not sure of your translation? and its seems to add to the Greek. But of course we should always seek to live in good behavior, and behold Christ and His holiness but that does not suggest we have a "holiness" that is wrought apart from Gods Spirit, or that we can justify the flesh in any way.

 

[Ryan]

1 Peter 1 is saying something completely different what you are concluding.

13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance,
15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;
16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

Where else is 1 Peter 1:16 quoting from and drawing us back to???

Your posts sound very familiar to another individual who had difficulity accepting God's mitzvahs were relevant for a believer today.

Well of course if you believe that holiness is a product of mans efforts and works of religion, you will not see that Peter is saying exactly the same thing as Paul.
"be ye holy-as He is Holy" is saying "behold Christ and be conformed to His Image, by the Spirit of God. Now the scriptures cannot speak to all believers as "spiritual" for most are so carnal that they have no understanding of what it means to "behold" Christ and be conformed by the Spirit of God. But be sure Peter is in complete agreement with Paul, and the conflict is yours and not in the scriptures I have posted.

No, where else is it written that verse 16 is quoting from??? Paul never said it, although he would of certainly taught from it. Think back to a book that begins with the letter L.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

We are vessels of the Lord.

On one hand we are vessels that have been 'set apart' for special service to God, in the same way that mom's fine china is 'set apart' for a more noble purpose than the other common, everyday vessels in the household.

On the other hand, knowing we are indeed set apart for a noble purpose (not a base or common purpose) we have a responsibility to act in accordance with the 'setting apart' we have graciously and un-meritoriously received from God. This means not eating chili dogs off of mom's fine china. We are holy when we are careful to not profane (desecrate) that which God has set apart as holy.

God made us holy and set apart. Our responsibility is to act like it.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Think back to a book that begins with the letter L.

L________ is in fact where we learn what it means to be made holy and 'set apart' by God. And how we are to be careful to not profane that which God has made holy.

 

[George Muller]

1 Peter 1 is saying something completely different what you are concluding.

13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance,
15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;
16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

Where else is 1 Peter 1:16 quoting from and drawing us back to???

Your posts sound very familiar to another individual who had difficulity accepting God's mitzvahs were relevant for a believer today.

Well of course if you believe that holiness is a product of mans efforts and works of religion, you will not see that Peter is saying exactly the same thing as Paul.
"be ye holy-as He is Holy" is saying "behold Christ and be conformed to His Image, by the Spirit of God. Now the scriptures cannot speak to all believers as "spiritual" for most are so carnal that they have no understanding of what it means to "behold" Christ and be conformed by the Spirit of God. But be sure Peter is in complete agreement with Paul, and the conflict is yours and not in the scriptures I have posted.

No, where else is it written that verse 16 is quoting from??? Paul never said it, although he would of certainly taught from it. Think back to a book that begins with the letter L.

So what? The New Testament makes the issue clear, that believers have gone from carnal holiness in rituals and keeping of the law, to the Holiness of the Spirit. Nothing that is not sanctified by the Holy Spirit or wrought by the Spirit is acceptable to God, it is NOT HOLY. No matter how hard ones tries to justify the flesh, by lawkeeping it has been judged and condemned.

 

[George Muller]

We are vessels of the Lord.

On one hand we are vessels that have been 'set apart' for special service to God, in the same way that mom's fine china is 'set apart' for a more noble purpose than the other common, everyday vessels in the household.

On the other hand, knowing we are indeed set apart for a noble purpose (not a base or common purpose) we have a responsibility to act in accordance with the 'setting apart' we have graciously and un-meritoriously received from God. This means not eating chili dogs off of mom's fine china. We are holy when we are careful to not profane (desecrate) that which God has set apart as holy.

God made us holy and set apart. Our responsibility is to act like it.

Yes we are "holy" because the Blood of Christ and the Spirit of God made us that way. And only by walking in the Spirit can we say we are walking in holiness. It is the HOLY Spirit that makes us separate from this world.

 

[George Muller]

Think back to a book that begins with the letter L.

L________ is in fact where we learn what it means to be made holy and 'set apart' by God. And how we are to be careful to not profane that which God has made holy.

As Paul would say "Having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh"? We walk in Holiness as we walk in the Spirit, there is no other form of holiness acceptable unto God.

 

[Ryan]

God made us holy and set apart. Our responsibility is to act like it.

but is frustrating when there are teachers who preach there is no responsibility to act in a way and manner God defined we are to live our life. I am a sinner, but love covers a multitude of sins 1 Peter 4:8. To love is TO DO!

Sick and tired of hearing a lazy brand of Christianity that is taught to an unsuspecting flock.

 

[Ryan]

1 Peter 1 is saying something completely different what you are concluding.

13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance,
15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;
16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

Where else is 1 Peter 1:16 quoting from and drawing us back to???

Your posts sound very familiar to another individual who had difficulity accepting God's mitzvahs were relevant for a believer today.

Well of course if you believe that holiness is a product of mans efforts and works of religion, you will not see that Peter is saying exactly the same thing as Paul.
"be ye holy-as He is Holy" is saying "behold Christ and be conformed to His Image, by the Spirit of God. Now the scriptures cannot speak to all believers as "spiritual" for most are so carnal that they have no understanding of what it means to "behold" Christ and be conformed by the Spirit of God. But be sure Peter is in complete agreement with Paul, and the conflict is yours and not in the scriptures I have posted.

No, where else is it written that verse 16 is quoting from??? Paul never said it, although he would of certainly taught from it. Think back to a book that begins with the letter L.

So what? The New Testament makes the issue clear, that believers have gone from carnal holiness in rituals and keeping of the law, to the Holiness of the Spirit. Nothing that is not sanctified by the Holy Spirit or wrought by the Spirit is acceptable to God, it is NOT HOLY. No matter how hard ones tries to justify the flesh, by lawkeeping it has been judged and condemned.

I am sure we have danced this dance before. But I am two-stepping and you are clogging so I guess we just can't dance in sync now can we?

Cannot bring yourself to quote from where Peter is quoting it from can you? I'll help ya out.

1. Leviticus 11:44
   For I am the Lord your God. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am holy. And you shall not make yourselves unclean with any of the swarming things that swarm on the earth.
2. Leviticus 11:45 For I am the Lord who brought you up from the land of Egypt to be your God; thus you shall be holy, for I am holy.’”
3. Leviticus 19:2 “Speak to all the congregation of the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘You shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy.
4. Leviticus 20:7 You shall consecrate yourselves therefore and be holy, for I am the Lord your God.
5. Leviticus 20:26 Thus you are to be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy; and I have set you apart from the peoples to be Mine.
6. Leviticus 21:8 You shall consecrate him, therefore, for he offers the food of your God; he shall be holy to you; for I the Lord, who sanctifies you, am holy.

 

[George Muller]

God made us holy and set apart. Our responsibility is to act like it.

but is frustrating when there are teachers who preach there is no responsibility to act in a way and manner God defined we are to live our life. I am a sinner, but love covers a multitude of sins 1 Peter 4:8. To love is TO DO!

Sick and tired of hearing a lazy brand of Christianity that is taught to an unsuspecting flock.

Well would you like to boast in your holiness? Feel free! I will boast in the Lord.

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.:biglol

 

[George Muller]

No, where else is it written that verse 16 is quoting from??? Paul never said it, although he would of certainly taught from it. Think back to a book that begins with the letter L.

So what? The New Testament makes the issue clear, that believers have gone from carnal holiness in rituals and keeping of the law, to the Holiness of the Spirit. Nothing that is not sanctified by the Holy Spirit or wrought by the Spirit is acceptable to God, it is NOT HOLY. No matter how hard ones tries to justify the flesh, by lawkeeping it has been judged and condemned.

I am sure we have danced this dance before. But I am two-stepping and you are clogging so I guess we just can't dance in sync now can we?

Cannot bring yourself to quote from where Peter is quoting it from can you? I'll help ya out.

1. Leviticus 11:44
   For I am the Lord your God. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am holy. And you shall not make yourselves unclean with any of the swarming things that swarm on the earth.
2. Leviticus 11:45 For I am the Lord who brought you up from the land of Egypt to be your God; thus you shall be holy, for I am holy.’”
3. Leviticus 19:2 “Speak to all the congregation of the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘You shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy.
4. Leviticus 20:7 You shall consecrate yourselves therefore and be holy, for I am the Lord your God.
5. Leviticus 20:26 Thus you are to be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy; and I have set you apart from the peoples to be Mine.
6. Leviticus 21:8 You shall consecrate him, therefore, for he offers the food of your God; he shall be holy to you; for I the Lord, who sanctifies you, am holy.

So what point do you think it makes that Peter speaks of Gods holiness? Yes its Gods holiness. So what are you trying to claim? That you have a holiness that is not of His Spirit or a result of the Blood of Christ? Do you have your "own" holiness?

 

[Ryan]

God made us holy and set apart. Our responsibility is to act like it.

but is frustrating when there are teachers who preach there is no responsibility to act in a way and manner God defined we are to live our life. I am a sinner, but love covers a multitude of sins 1 Peter 4:8. To love is TO DO!

Sick and tired of hearing a lazy brand of Christianity that is taught to an unsuspecting flock.

Well would you like to boast in your holiness? Feel free! I will boast in the Lord.

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.:biglol

I have not boasted over one single "work" I have done for God or to my neighbour, merely just repeating what scripture is saying that is in contradiction to your conclusions.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

We are vessels of the Lord.

On one hand we are vessels that have been 'set apart' for special service to God, in the same way that mom's fine china is 'set apart' for a more noble purpose than the other common, everyday vessels in the household.

On the other hand, knowing we are indeed set apart for a noble purpose (not a base or common purpose) we have a responsibility to act in accordance with the 'setting apart' we have graciously and un-meritoriously received from God. This means not eating chili dogs off of mom's fine china. We are holy when we are careful to not profane (desecrate) that which God has set apart as holy.

God made us holy and set apart. Our responsibility is to act like it.

Yes we are "holy" because the Blood of Christ and the Spirit of God made us that way. And only by walking in the Spirit can we say we are walking in holiness. It is the HOLY Spirit that makes us separate from this world.

Did someone suggest that acting like the set apart, holy vessels we are is not also by the Spirit of God? If so, show me who said this so I can understand why you're bringing this up. If not, don't start riding a doctrinal hobby horse over something no one has brought to the discussion, okay?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

God made us holy and set apart. Our responsibility is to act like it.

but is frustrating when there are teachers who preach there is no responsibility to act in a way and manner God defined we are to live our life. I am a sinner, but love covers a multitude of sins 1 Peter 4:8. To love is TO DO!

Sick and tired of hearing a lazy brand of Christianity that is taught to an unsuspecting flock.

Yes, I'm sick of it too. Somehow any and all mention of 'works', or 'law' immediately equates the damnable works gospel...no matter how eloquent or articulate you try to make your explanation. I share your frustration.

 

[George Muller]

We are vessels of the Lord.

On one hand we are vessels that have been 'set apart' for special service to God, in the same way that mom's fine china is 'set apart' for a more noble purpose than the other common, everyday vessels in the household.

On the other hand, knowing we are indeed set apart for a noble purpose (not a base or common purpose) we have a responsibility to act in accordance with the 'setting apart' we have graciously and un-meritoriously received from God. This means not eating chili dogs off of mom's fine china. We are holy when we are careful to not profane (desecrate) that which God has set apart as holy.

God made us holy and set apart. Our responsibility is to act like it.

Yes we are "holy" because the Blood of Christ and the Spirit of God made us that way. And only by walking in the Spirit can we say we are walking in holiness. It is the HOLY Spirit that makes us separate from this world.

Did someone suggest that acting like the set apart, holy vessels we are is not also by the Spirit of God? If so, show me who said this so I can understand why you're bringing this up. If not, don't start riding a doctrinal hobby horse over something no one has brought to the discussion, okay?

That is the point of the thread, maybe I assumed you where trying to take a contrary position? If I have made a false assumption of your post? Please forgive me? I am glad that you do not promote a holiness of the flesh, if in fact that is your position on the issue?